Evil Genius Posted February 24, 2012 EG: How come some EU vendors won't ship any CITES I cactus seed outside of the EU except Lophophora? Good Question. I think there is a lot of money to be made with Lophs. Its one of the seeds that sell best. So Vendors usually think twice before they decline a substantial order over Cites. Ariocarpus sells as well but i think its nothing compared to Lophs. But thats just a theory and depends on the vendor. I wasnt even aware that some vendors decline CITES I orders. They usually put up a disclaimer that customers should check their local laws before ordering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tipz Posted February 24, 2012 So..... If some loph seeds were sent over unlabelled, I wonder how they would go about it ? Imagine how long it would take quarantine or customs ( if they had any idea of how to do so ) to germinate and grow out the seeds for identification ? Or would they have them DNA tested ? Or would they even bother testing so many seeds ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) They would not meet AQIS standards & would go in the bin. They need full botanical name. "I would love to see the KK growing sheds." Apart from the Lophs, the rest is supposedly pretty much wild harvest, apparently. I have heard rumours that some of it is not particularly ethical mostly concerning some of the rarer succulents. I also wonder how ethicaly he treats his workers & the peoples whos lands he collects seed/plants from at those prices. Icaros DNA seem to be very tranparent in these matters. Edited February 24, 2012 by shruman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixSon Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) It's legal to import most of the Trichocereus/Echinopsis species you grow into Australia. Trichocereus are not CITES - I so the trade of seed is unrestricted and most species are permitted by AQIS. Even hybrids can be labeled and imported the right way. Those few species which are not allowed or listed can be re-labeled as a species that is allowed. Amusingly it's harder to legally import Trichocereus seed into the US than to Australia. EG: How come some EU vendors won't ship any CITES I cactus seed outside of the EU except Lophophora? Really? I reckon a fair few arnt allowed. http://www.aqis.gov....&LogSessionID=0 list of permitted species Table 1: List of Permitted Species. These species may be imported subject to the conditions C7100, C7179, C7180, C5012. Trichocereus bridgesii Trichocereus candicans Trichocereus chiloensis Trichocereus macrogonus Trichocereus pachanoi Trichocereus pasacana Trichocereus peruvianus Trichocereus santiaguensis Trichocereus schickendantzii Trichocereus scopulicola Trichocereus spachianus Trichocereus tarijensis Trichocereus terscheckii Trichocereus volcanensis Edited February 24, 2012 by spacemonk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 24, 2012 You should search Echinopsis aswell: Echinopsis angelesiae Echinopsis antezanae Echinopsis arachnacantha Echinopsis atacamensis Echinopsis aurea Echinopsis backebergii Echinopsis bertramiana Echinopsis boyuibensis Echinopsis breviflora Echinopsis bruchii Echinopsis bruchii x formosa Echinopsis cabrerae Echinopsis caineana Echinopsis callichroma Echinopsis calochlora Echinopsis calorubra Echinopsis camarguensis Echinopsis candicans Echinopsis cardenasiana Echinopsis carmineiflora Echinopsis cephalomacrostibas Echinopsis chalaensis Echinopsis chamaecereus Echinopsis chiloensis Echinopsis chrysantha Echinopsis chrysochete Echinopsis cinnabarina Echinopsis comarapana Echinopsis conaconensis Echinopsis coquimbana Echinopsis crassicaulis Echinopsis cuzcoensis Echinopsis densispina Echinopsis deserticola Echinopsis elongata Echinopsis escayachensis Echinopsis eyriesii Echinopsis fabrisii Echinopsis formosa Echinopsis glauca Echinopsis haematantha Echinopsis hertrichiana Echinopsis herzogiana Echinopsis huascha Echinopsis kermesina Echinopsis knuthiana Echinopsis kratochviliana Echinopsis lageniformis Echinopsis lateritia Echinopsis leucorhodantha Echinopsis litoralis Echinopsis macrogona Echinopsis mamillosa Echinopsis mamillosa var. kermesina Echinopsis marsoneri Echinopsis maximiliana Echinopsis mirabilis Echinopsis narvaecensis Echinopsis obrepanda Echinopsis orozasana Echinopsis orurensis Echinopsis oxygona Echinopsis pachanoi Echinopsis pampana Echinopsis pamparuizii Echinopsis paraguayensis Echinopsis pasacana Echinopsis pentlandii Echinopsis polyancistra Echinopsis pseudocandicans Echinopsis pugionacantha Echinopsis puquiensis Echinopsis purpureopilosa Echinopsis pygmaea Echinopsis rhodotricha Echinopsis rojasii Echinopsis saltensis Echinopsis sanguiniflora Echinopsis santaensis Echinopsis schickendantzii Echinopsis schieliana Echinopsis schoenii Echinopsis schreiteri Echinopsis semidenudata Echinopsis seminudus Echinopsis silvestrii Echinopsis skottsbergii Echinopsis smrziana Echinopsis spachiana Echinopsis spiniflora Echinopsis strigosa Echinopsis subdenudatus Echinopsis tacaquirensis Echinopsis taquimbalensis Echinopsis tarijensis Echinopsis tarmaensis Echinopsis tegeleriana Echinopsis terscheckii Echinopsis thelegona Echinopsis thelegonoides Echinopsis thionantha Echinopsis tiegeliana Echinopsis toralapana Echinopsis trichosa Echinopsis tubiflora Echinopsis tubiflora var. paraguayensis Echinopsis tulhuayacensis Echinopsis tunariensis Echinopsis uyupampensis Echinopsis valida Echinopsis vasquezii Echinopsis vatteri Echinopsis volliana Echinopsis walteri Echinopsis yuquina 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mira Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Shruman got it. AQIS supposedly cross-references databases like Kew to find synonyms so even things labeled as Trichocereus which are listed as Echinopsis should (in theory) pass through, but it's probably best to have the sender label according to the ICON database. Edited February 24, 2012 by mira 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tipz Posted February 24, 2012 So unlabelled seeds just go in the bin ? I suppose with the amount of unlabelled seeds they intercept it would not be economically feasible to grow them all out or have them tested. So in theory, if you are sent unlabelled loph seeds you are really only risking losing your money ? Espescially if it is your first time and have never been in trouble before ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah probly. But if it was bulk or they thought you were being deliberatley deceptive they might follow up other avenues, like asking the return address or seizing computer records. But yeah it would most likely go in the bin & you would get a confiscated notice from AQIS. Probly woth noting that Lophophora is a customs prohibited (drug) import or export in Aus so not just AQIS to worry about with Lophs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonstn Posted February 25, 2012 Could alway get 1000 mixed lophs off seeds Australia for $221 http://www.seedsaustralia.net/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_2&products_id=68 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted February 25, 2012 Geez, why in the hell would anybody want to support a fellow forum member who grows and sells their own fresh seeds when a person can buy mixed or unknown seeds from one of the cheapest whores on the planet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myco Posted February 26, 2012 haha it seems like your being sarcastic there zelly seeds australia doesnt grow thier own seed as far as i know if thats wat you mean i might be wrong but according to the website they dont and they wont even send em to me anyway as they wont send to W.A. and 221 buks is an extremely high price i've got over 1000 seeds from another member on here for less than half that price 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted February 26, 2012 no mate, I wasn't talking about Seeds Australia, I was referring to a certain vendor in Europe, you know the one. Trust me, harvesting, cleaning & counting seeds is no picnic in the park and many times its far easier to let the mice eat them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myco Posted February 26, 2012 oh ok haha sorry i thought you were talking about seeds australia as jonstn had just metioned them in the post before you my bad i dont know how anyone could be cleaning an counting that many seeds its insane haha i cant get my head around how they can even have that many seeds let alone cleaning an counting em Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
