Police arrest 184 in worldwide pedophile ring: Europol

[Sheather]

You snuck in there. But I see you're still calling paedophiles child molesterers. You don't understand they are not the same?

[synchromesh]

anyway, i suppose when a parent discovers their child has been molested it is a huge thing for them to deal with, nurturing their child and the impact it may have on their overall family. still, i'm surprised child molestors even make it to prison. i'm not over-protective or anything but if that happens to my nephew or niece and i know who did it, they will never make it to a cemetery much less a prison.

 

In other words, you'd torture the person(s) for the rest of your life? That's dark, man...

My main concern is that children are protected from child molesters, and I think that anyone who has committed very serious sex crimes (I do not count an 18 year old having sex with his 'almost sixteen' year old girlfriend in this category for example) should be locked up for life to protect society.

Child porn charges dropped against girl, 17, who photographed self

The 18-year-old boyfriend is still facing Class C-felony charges of possession of child pornography. In order to convict him, a jury would have to find either that he enticed or coerced the girl into taking the photos, or that he sold, distributed or displayed the images. If he is convicted, he faces up to 15 years in prison, lifetime supervision by the Department of Corrections, listing on the Wisconsin sex offender registry, up to $10,000 fine, and restrictions on where he can work and live for the rest of his life.

So why are adult men who repeatedly abuse preteens given such insultingly short sentences as a year or two? While there are differing views on exactly how child molesters should be dealt with, I doubt there would be many people out there who would say a couple of years is enough.

 

Because a couple of years of getting bashed and raped is enough to "rehabilitate" them? ...I honestly don't know, but I'm betting that there would be more reasons than one.

[random]

And who made you an expert on pedophilia anyway, syncromesh?

I'm merely stating my own opinion that people who predate on children - which is what this thread was about, are sick individuals that need to be judged and viewed with distaste, and I certainly won't apologise for feel guilty for having that view.

Save any *brave points* for a thread on sexual psychology or something, not in a topic where the point of posting was to bring awareness to the suffering of children.

I wasn't the one who initially brought up homosexuality in this thread anyway and I feel the mere mention of it has no place in the discussion of child abuse.

[random]

edit- double post.

Edited March 18, 2011 by meeka

[random]

Oh ok, closed minded fucking moron who sickens you. Tell me how you really feel. ;)

Indeed, I still find your *comparison* offensive, as I do your personal attack on me, simply because I do not share your view. *shrugs*

[ThunderIdeal]

So why are adult men who repeatedly abuse preteens given such insultingly short sentences as a year or two? While there are differing views on exactly how child molesters should be dealt with, I doubt there would be many people out there who would say a couple of years is enough.

 

yes it's strange isn't it? also the number of high-ranking members of society like politicians and judges that end up implicated in these sorts of crimes. child abuse, and not just sexual abuse, has to be not only one of the most cowardly acts and one of the most telling character traits, but it must also be one of the most damaging crimes to society as a whole, especially when it becomes a kind of chain reaction with victims often going on to become perpetrators.

In other words, you'd torture the person(s) for the rest of your life? That's dark, man...

 

nah, just bury them.

although i do know perhaps the most horrific punishment imaginable. i don't know how anybody possibly devised it. if you did it to hitler people would say "you are the worst monster who ever lived". life is weird hey? i don't know why i should be the one to hear such ideas.

[Torsten]

sheather, no need to be insulting. Please stop. I know it was very much provoked by meekas lack of comprehension of the distinctions, but face it, the vast majority of society would not understand those distinctions and thanks to our commercial media it is hard for other people to even openmindedly think about such distinctions. The word pedophile means something to most people that is simply not its true meaning, but they feel more comfortable using it.

But I feel that you would have done every one a better service by seeing where meeka is misunderstanding rather than yelling at her. She is intelligent, but might not know the latin roots of the words or the technical meanings, and is obviously caught up in the media hysteria. If the only time you are exposed to the word is by the media then you can't possibly understand what it means.

And just in case anyone else still hasn't understood: Pedophilia does not mean child abuse. The simple desire and imagination might be repugnant, but are not illegal and are not damaging to children. Once this imaginations is acted on via pornography or actual contact, then it becomes a crime and damaging to children. This is in no way a defence of pedophilic abusers and I feel that this is where the misunderstandings come from. We all have inappropriate thoughts at times ranging from sexual and violent to just about anythign imaginable, but decent human beings know when not to act on them.

as for svarg, he has been at the top of the complaint list for weeks, but I couldn't be bothered arguing about warn points. he was playing a game trying to push boundaries and he lost.

For the record, he got booted for his homophobic comment. he claims they were sarcastic, but if that's the case then he used the wrong smilie. if a comment is likely to be read as offensive by others then it IS offensive. and yeah, I am pretty sure he knew I was 'homophilic' and was just testing how far he could go.

[synchromesh]

And who made you an expert on pedophilia anyway, syncromesh?

I've just done some research is all. Why haven't you? Too much hate in the way?

I'm merely stating my own opinion that people who predate on children - which is what this thread was about, are sick individuals that need to be judged and viewed with distaste, and I certainly won't apologise for feel guilty for having that view.

Just as I won't apologise or feel guilty for correcting you on a couple of things...

Save any *brave points* for a thread on sexual psychology or something, not in a topic where the point of posting was to bring awareness to the suffering of children.

Because we didn't already know it existed or something?

I wasn't the one who initially brought up homosexuality in this thread anyway and I feel the mere mention of it has no place in the discussion of child abuse.

 

Did you know that not all gay men participate in anal sex? It's true...

yes it's strange isn't it? also the number of high-ranking members of society like politicians and judges that end up implicated in these sorts of crimes. child abuse, and not just sexual abuse, has to be not only one of the most cowardly acts and one of the most telling character traits, but it must also be one of the most damaging crimes to society as a whole, especially when it becomes a kind of chain reaction with victims often going on to become perpetrators.

Agreed.

nah, just bury them.

although i do know perhaps the most horrific punishment imaginable. i don't know how anybody possibly devised it. if you did it to hitler people would say "you are the worst monster who ever lived". life is weird hey? i don't know why i should be the one to hear such ideas.

 

Ohhh... Gotcha!

You're not a pro-lifer are you? You're not gonna go and kill some abortion doctors or something...

Torsten - Right on.

Edited March 18, 2011 by synchromesh

[CβL]

Sheather: I'm glad we agree on this. I find it sad that people who think they're enlightened and tolerant (towards homosexuals and other nationalities) can be so disgusted with paedophiles. We (as a society) need to integrate them into society AND protect children. If we can land on the moon, we can do this too. Maybe some kind of animated pornography amnesty? Maybe Japan has the problem solved?

Edit: Here are the definitions of the words. So there are some people here (who shall not be mentioned by name) who are not even using the words correctly.

paedophile or esp ( US ) pedophile (ˈpiːdəʊˌfaɪl) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

— n

a person who is sexually attracted to children

child molester

noun

a man who has sex (usually sodomy) with a boy as the passive partner [syn: pederast]

Edited March 18, 2011 by bluntmuffin

[ballzac]

In the spirit of friendly discussion, I have a conundrum for you, meeka.

A fifteen year old boy has a crush on a girl his own age and fantasises about having sex with her. She leaves town and he never sees her again, but continues to have fantasies about her. He reaches the age of eighteen and his only memory of this girl is of her as a fifteen year old. Is it immoral for him to still fantasize about her? Technically he is an adult fantasizing about having sex with a child .

[ThunderIdeal]

Ohhh... Gotcha!

You're not a pro-lifer are you? You're not gonna go and kill some abortion doctors or something...

 

i don't plan on killing anybody bro.

i just don't personally get why people think 'that person did horrific things to my loved ones. i will let the justice system deal with them'. of course i am not judging those people, i can't even begin to imagine what they have to go through. it just seems weird to me not to take your own justice if you happen to have all of the facts. i think most people don't consider it because they don't want to end up in jail themselves, which does make sense.

[random]

I also have zero idea what your comment on anal sex has to do with anything, syncromesh. Please enlighten me as to why you chose to mention it.

Indeed the word pedophile to me, conjurs up the thought of child abuse. So perhaps in that regard I am a media victim.

Which Torsten THANKYOU for pointing this out to me.

So yeah, my main point is that I still don't understand the comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia in this thread, perhaps another comparison would have been more appropriate?

And here you go folks, I cannot comprehend pedophilia, nor do I wish to understand it or even think about it. I also do not wish harm upon any innocent human being.

But my real issue is that I find *child molesters* to be the most vile members of society and those that would seek to abuse children should have zero rights to interact with anyone under the age of 18.

And to those who would seek to teach through fact, rather than abuse, I thank you too.

[Sheather]

Torsten - I made a reactionary comment to a statement that deeply offended and angered me. I will not say my immediate reaction was the correct path to have taken, but I stand by my words, insulting or not. Meeka, despite, as you claim, being an intelligent woman, is either deliberately or otherwise, ignoring sections of my posts that give the rest a semblance of coherence. She is selectively picking out tidbits that she can be angry at, and is making just as much attempt at understanding what I have to say as I am to her. I understand that many people do not understand the difference in definitions between those two words, but if she continues to hold the view that I taken offense to, as mentioned above, that paedophile = child molester, then I will continue to be contemptuous, though I will attempt to restrict any outright rudeness (if only for your sake, that you have been polite to me when you could have exerted power).

Oh ok, closed minded fucking moron who sickens you. Tell me how you really feel. ;)

Indeed, I still find your *comparison* offensive, as I do your personal attack on me, simply because I do not share your view. *shrugs*

I really feel that you should read over each of my posts, in sequence, twice. I have explained myself to a degree that (I believe) most people should understand my words, especially an intelligent or rational one. If you still do not understand my viewpoint, please read Torsten's post that succeeds mine.

Bluntmuffin - I think that could be a viable option, god knows there is enough lolicon out there, but whether it would make much of a dent on the people who are prone to commit such crimes is the real question. Personally I believe that animated pornography of any sort should be legal, animations and cartoons don't hurt anyone or anything in their production, and most of law is about preventing harm or punishing harm to people no?

EDIT: Not removing content, but adding - after reading Meeka's last post.

My comparison between the two is that they are both sexual preferences, and that both are mental states. Someone is homosexual in the same manner that another could be heterosexual, paedophilic, or expressant (invented word...) of any other philia. Paedophiles do not necessarily act on their thoughts, by definition all they have to do is think them, and be somewhat sexually attracted to preteen humans. I found it offensive, and now I understand it was mainly through ignorance, that you grouped those who don't act with those who do. As Synchro stated, not all gay people participate in anal sex (I guess that should be gay men, for the purpose of the analogy (is analogy the right word?))

But yeah. Rant over... For now.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Sheather

[CβL]

Well, I'm sick to the ****ing core of people who complain (rather than whine, because whiners are just funny) without trying to find a solution. The only thing I know about solutions, is that they're always in the grey area between two extremes. And I think it's a fair compromise to have some kind of release for paedophiles. They need to have enough options so that they will not feel the need to resort to exploited children. Much as the public (given a proper chance, i.e. equal pricing) would SURELY choose free range eggs over cage eggs.

[Torsten]

bluntmuffin - I agree that as an intelligent society we should have better solutions than what we have at the moment. Obviously the current system is not working as most offenders reoffend and this is unacceptable. It also stokes hysteria so that we end up with people feelign justified in taking justice into their own hands becuase they feel the KNOW all the facts. if we truely knew all the facts we would not have impsoed the death penalty on so many innocent people over the decades. I am personally not against the death penalty as such, but I am against ever killing someone mistakenly. I don't think there is room for error with death penalties. And we know that many people wrongly confess. We also know that many people get set up. In the case of child molesters there are even people who get set up by their alleged victims. Kids can be quite evil at times. So i wonder how those who feel they have a right to take a child molester's life face up when their son or daughter confesses 10 years later that they lied?

I do not understand the current system where repeat offenders are released. The statistics speak for themselves. I mean, once can be an accident or simply a mistake and should proceed the normal punishment, but when they've done it 3,4 or even 10 times I do not understand why their human rights come before those of their next victim! Chemical castration is a voluntary punishment and largely a failure. Physical castration can be done in a way that it is somewhat reversible [in case of a miscarriage of justice], so that live sperm is still available. Remove the right to libido, but don't remove the right to procreate. Then again, I am not that supportive of the right to procreate anyway and feel that the safety of children should override such right. Such castration should be voluntary in exchange for freedom.

I am also disturbed by the assumption that killing pedophiles will clean the genepool. As far as I am aware there is no genetic basis for pedophilia or molestation.

Child molestation does run in families though, but at the same degree as outside of families. ie, many child molesters are ex-victims. In fact previous abuse is the largest indicator of becoming an abuser. And that is where I have such a big problem with the justice system. By allowing the molesters to offend they create new molesters. So it would seem logical that breaking the cycle will reduce the number of molesters, right?

I wonder how the pedophilic and child abusive japanese anime affects child molestation rates? Does it make it more acceptable and hence promote it or does it offer a legal release for those who fantasise and hence less actual follow up. I have no idea, but would love to know. Probably rather difficult question in a country where rape of women is still not taken seriously.

[random]

How nice of the people here to feel so strongly at my lack of understanding of a word.

And the insinuations as to my intelligence, here's a fact for you mob - I never finished high school. Doesn't mean that I am a moron. Nor does it mean that anyone should feel contempt for me merely because I misunderstood the word *pedophile*.

I'm not at all ashamed of the things that I do not know, but what I do know is that alot of people on forums misinterpret things and would seek to humiliate those that disagree with them or misunderstand.

So you tell me who is the enlightened one in that regard? The one who is ignorant through no fault of their own, yet still able to admit their mistake, or the one who would direct negativity towards someone because their ignorance *offends* them?

If ignorance offends you so much Sheather, perhaps you could seek to understand that by insulting the ignorant ones, you are shutting them down and subsequently teaching them nothing positive. Out of everything you posted to me, only a few words have stuck in my mind *fucking moron*.

What has that achieved in the scale of things?

Oh and a final word, because I will respond no further in this *war on my ignorance*. At no stage did I seek to anger anyone, nor was any comment by me made in an attempt to derail the thread. Indeed I merely voiced my distaste for child molesters and found a particular comparison offensive and I said so.

Oh and the main point = I misunderstood a latin word thereby causing confusion when stating my opinion.

[synchromesh]

child molester

noun

a man who has sex (usually sodomy) with a boy as the passive partner [syn: pederast]

 

No mention of females? That's a bit strange...

I also have zero idea what your comment on anal sex has to do with anything, syncromesh. Please enlighten me as to why you chose to mention it.

Well, did you know the fact or not?

i don't plan on killing anybody bro.

i just don't personally get why people think 'that person did horrific things to my loved ones. i will let the justice system deal with them'. of course i am not judging those people, i can't even begin to imagine what they have to go through. it just seems weird to me not to take your own justice if you happen to have all of the facts. i think most people don't consider it because they don't want to end up in jail themselves, which does make sense.

 

Knowing that you could kill somebody if you reached your breaking point is one thing... bragging about it is quite another...

expressant (invented word...)

Cool word!

As Synchro stated, not all gay people participate in anal sex (I guess that should be gay men, for the purpose of the analogy (is analogy the right word?))

Edited.

Yeah, analogy is the right word.

The only thing I know about solutions, is that they're always in the grey area between two extremes.

 

I agree.

[synchromesh]

A serious and unbiased look at pedophilia. Check it out.

[Sheather]

Synchro - I believe I've navigated to the right page... But not sure. Access is forbidden to me, can't see the image, but would this be what you're talking about? http://www.impawards.com/2004/woodsman.html

I found it offensive, and now I understand it was mainly through ignorance, that you grouped those who don't act with those who do.

I have no qualms with ignorance, unless it is sought deliberately. Your ignorance does not offend me, the views you expressed because of the ignorance offended me, because I read meaning in to the words as I understand them to be defined. I will be among the first to admit that not finishing high school - or any real degree of formal education - speaks much for your intellect.

I'm sorry I called you a moron. I was angry, and acted rashly. Apart from that, I have made no claims, insinuated or otherwise, about your intelligence or lack thereof.

At no stage you sought to anger, I would like to advise, if you aren't yet closed to me, to please be careful of which words you use in future.

Also, there is a book that I will have to look up, because I've forgotten the title, but apparently is explorative of trauma to children being formed as a result of social construct (ie. Adults saying that awful things had happened to you so you feel that awful things that happened) I have not yet read it but I am of the (tenuous) belief that in some circumstances that this is the case. I have certainly spoken to people who have been "abused" and told me that they did not feel that they had been wronged or harmed until their parents and a counselor told them how awful this person was for doing things to them and such. (That was quite long for a simple afterthought)

EDIT: Oh NOW I can see it. I wonder if that's because I've been to the site and navigated to it, so the image is in my cache?

Edited March 18, 2011 by Sheather

[Torsten]

trauma to children being formed as a result of social construct (ie. Adults saying that awful things had happened to you so you feel that awful things that happened) I have not yet read it but I am of the (tenuous) belief that in some circumstances that this is the case. I have certainly spoken to people who have been "abused" and told me that they did not feel that they had been wronged or harmed until their parents and a counselor told them how awful this person was for doing things to them and such. (That was quite long for a simple afterthought)

 

I knew someone a few years ago who felt exactly this way. I was good friends with his sister so I got the story from both angles. he was quite sexually motivated and definitely gay by age 11 and then at age 12 he was thrilled to get the attention of a guy in his late 20's. The kid in no small measure sought more attention from this guy and ended up getting a handjob. He was thrilled. Kid bragged to sister, sister told parents, and suddenly the kid's world was turned upside down. he had to quit his after school job, the school counsellor was notified [even though it had nothing to do with the school], police interviews, and he was put into private counselling. parents became over protective and being homophobic also caused all sorts of drama cos it was now the older guy's fault that the kid was gay. He left home when he was 15. The parents blame the child abuse. The sister blames herself for telling. The kid was happy as larry for two weeks after the event cos he had 'scored', then got really messed up for 3 years and finally got his shit back together when he left home. he told me all this when he was about 25 and it was obvious just how much it had affected him.

I am not saying that what the older guy did was acceptable, but given that it had happened, what followed was more in the interest of the parents being seen to be doing the right thing rather than actually protecting the child. And it seems everyone in the system played right into that.

When i was about 7 or 8 a couple of late teens on the holiday island where I would spend my summers with mum once lured me into a hut near our house and wanted to show me porn and asked all sorts of odd sexual questions. I had no idea what porn was and what they were talking about as I was a bit of a late developer in that regard. I don't even know how my mum found out , but she hit the roof. I got sent to my room in what was in retrospect an obvious attempt to protect me, but I still realised that there was big drama and that something really bad had just happened. or maybe it was the fact that a couple of weeks later one of the boys threatened to kill me as I was walking past. I was still oblivious to what the actual problem was. All I knew was that going to the hut with teenagers gets everyone into trouble [there was no mention of adults, so a complete failure in terms of protective parenting]. Nothing had actually happened, but I wonder just how much of a traumatic experience it would have been if something did happen and my parents had found out. I am sure that the unwanted public drama, neighbourhood gossip, school taunts and the restrictions on personal freedoms would have been much worse than getting a wristy at that age [a year later I would have probably been thrilled about it].

I think we need much better processes to shield kids from the dramas, fear and anger we create as adults about situations the kids don't actually understand.

[Sonny Jim]

Of course the Greek roots of the term "pedophilia" do not mean anything close to the act of child abuse. As far as I can tell if you try to use the word and keep strictly to its Greek roots, pedophilia could mean the existence of love between an individual and a child, it could even mean a child loving another child. But the English definition of the word is an adult who is sexually attracted to children.

Sheather wrote:

“but I for one cannot bring myself to condemn another based on their phillias. A paedophile has no say in whether they are a paedophile or not, just as homosexuals and bisexuals do not "choose" to be the way they are.”

I don’t think that is right. I don’t think people are hating others based on their “philias” (loves) when they talk negatively about pedophilia. I think they are talking about the English definition of the word (the only definition of the word) i.e. pedophilia meaning an adult who is sexually attracted to a child / an adult who has urges to have sex with a child. Pedophilic thoughts are not thoughts of love for a child and certainly shouldn’t be confused as being loving thoughts towards a child (not saying you are confused in this way sheather). I also don’t think pedophile haters are coming from the same ignorant rational that the homosexual haters are coming from because I don’t think there is much to get wrong when calculating the “goods” and “bads” of pedophilia. I think it should be black and white i.e sexually assaulting a child or having the urge to sexually assault a child is wrong. In other words I don’t think it is possible to be to very ignorant about your knowledge of pedophiles but a lot of people can be very ignorant in their knowledge of homosexuals. I don’t think the two groups of haters defined by sheather actually do share that trait, so I can see what meeka was trying to say after she explained what she meant in post 24.

I know that sheather was not trying to say that he was ok with pedophilia but I don’t think meeka was trying to say that she hates people for their “philias” either.

[Sheather]

I know that sheather was not trying to say that he was ok with pedophilia but...

Well I'll say it this way then Sonny Jim - "I am okay with paedophilia." I do not condemn even people who have urges of a sexual nature towards children. I honestly do not believe that they have any choice in the manner of their urges, merely whether they act on them, or keep them internalised or suppressed.

Pedophilic thoughts are not thoughts of love for a child and certainly shouldn’t be confused as being loving thoughts towards a child

I would argue that in many cases, they are, seeing as the majority of paedophiles that I have spoken to would rather drive rusty nails through their genitals than hurt a child, especially one they felt an attraction to. Indeed, some form an almost fatherly protective emotion, they do not necessarily love children for their bodies, a solely sexual attraction. They are enthralled by the curiosity and adventure of children, their boundless enthusiasm and keenness to learn of the world. I can see where they're coming from in that respect too.

(Sorry if that gave an... unfortunate mental image to some of you.)

sexually assaulting a child or having the urge to sexually assault a child is wrong.

You are condemning to those who have

urges?

If I were to say, that someone has slighted me, it is not a serious slight, but I have taken to harbouring a grudge against them. To be perfectly honest, at times I have the odd urge, or at the least, strong thoughts, about doing horrible things to them, torturous and gruesome. I hold enough knowledge that the event would be extended and agonising.

I would never on this side of hell act on said thoughts though. Not if it would save my life, or save the life of another. Barring perhaps one that I love, but that is not the point. The point is, that by your words, it matters not whether I act on these thoughts? Merely having them is enough, for me to be in the wrong, for me to be a bad person?

It's late, I'm going to bed.

EDIT: That should read early. And my thoughts generally don't tend towards such things, but it is necessary for the demonstration of my meaning...

Edited March 18, 2011 by Sheather

[Sonny Jim]

"I would argue that in many cases, they are, seeing as the majority of paedophiles that I have spoken to would rather drive rusty nails through their genitals than hurt a child, especially one they felt an attraction to. Indeed, some form an almost fatherly protective emotion, they do not necessarily love children for their bodies, a solely sexual attraction. They are enthralled by the curiosity and adventure of children, their boundless enthusiasm and keenness to learn of the world. I can see where they're coming from in that respect too.

(Sorry if that gave an... unfortunate mental image to some of you.)

"

If they know they have the urge to have sex with a child and they think that somehow this urge could be anything but wrong, then I say they are dead wrong and should not be trusted to be free in the community. They should not expect to be free in the community either. For my mind there is no question that an adult having sex with a child is simply wrong. It does not matter if the pedophile thinks they are being loving and protecting because in reality they are hurting the child in a dreadful way. If there was ever a good reason for prisons it is to keep people like that away from our children.

The point is, that by your words, it matters not whether I act on these thoughts? Merely having them is enough, for me to be in the wrong, for me to be a bad person?

No, I am not saying that you are guilty because of just any old bad urge. I am not talking about revenge fantasies or any other kind of mental extremities, I am talking about pedophiles. People who have a large part of their being ( their sexuality)devoted to hurting children. I am not saying that just because a person is sexually attracted to a child they should be locked up. I am saying that if a person has these urges but doesn't act on them then the only way they are going to get into trouble with the law is if they come forward. If they come forward then what do they expect us to do with them? If they are smart enough to be able to work out the urges are wrong then they should be smart enough to know that the authorities would not have there much respect for their quality of life. If they believe they are not a risk to children then they shouldn't come forward. If they believe that they are a risk then what do they honestly expect people to do with them. Why do they think we could do anything for them. Yes I know you described people who think having sex with children is some how loving and protective behavior towards the child but these people are very wrong. Very dangerously, scarily wrong about what they think is good for children and we must do our best to protect our children from them. If someone with these urges is smart enough to know they are wrong but cannot get the urges to go away (I don't expect them to be able to) and they are brave enough to come forward then I think they should be given special treatment, like giving them the most freedom possible whilst they are under 24 hour supervision. Why would they come forward if they didn't think they were a threat? What do these pedophiles want the authorities to do about it? Mental health professionals have a hard enough time helping people with depression. We have to be realistic at some point, what do you think we could actually do for people like that? Why should people with a problem like that think that the community could do anything for them. There are no "everybody wins" approaches to dealing with pedophiles because it is not a perfect world, there is not a happy story for everyone and the vast majority of pedophiles are not going to get effective help from criminal or mental health institution. Known pedophiles are also going to be under a lot of harassment from all sides. They would not get it from me because I don't take any pleasure or fulfillment in seeing others suffer, even pedophiles but I would never trust them around any child I was responsible for. The reality is that both the nice pedophiles and the stupid mean pedophiles lol will have to cop what they get. You seem to be saying that there are communities of nice pedophiles who simply love children a little too much.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Sonny Jim

[rahli]

As a parent I would rather not try to understand and accept how an individual pedophile "loves" children. They are not my responsibility. My children are my responsibility.

Pedophiles are the responsibility of themselves and if they can't keep a handle on themselves then as Sonny Jim states they are the responsability of the mental health or justice system.

I am guessing that this is why Meeka displays a disinterest for the finer points of understanding where a pedophile is coming from.

[ThunderIdeal]

Knowing that you could kill somebody if you reached your breaking point is one thing... bragging about it is quite another...

 

at this stage i think it is too far removed from the rest of the discussion to bother with here, but i'm not sure i was bragging (maybe i should check over my posts), i thought i was sharing some views on the justice side of things.