American Staffordshire Terrier

[Slybacon]

Newbelle Kennels is selling a beautiful female dark seal blue American Staffordshire Terrier. I have a Blue Male from the same breeder and Im very very happy with the dog. The kennel puts alot of effort into the breedings with priority on Health, Temperament and breed conformation. She is fully Wormed Microchiped and papered. They were $1200 but she is now going for $600 as the sale fell through and its getting close to xmas. This is a really rare coulor and you will get heaps of attention with her. If you are looking for a great pet they will be perfect companion or show dog .Please ring Malcolm or Kathryn on (02) 4295 5765 or our Mobile Number is 0406 79 3636 for enquiries.

Dogs can be viewed at newbelle.com

Sire

Dam

EDIT> My GF has put our boy on facebook if you want to check him out to his name is Newbelle Blue Cruz

Edited December 6, 2010 by Slybacon

[FancyPants]

Did you meet the parents before buying your pup? What were their temperaments like?

Beautiful girl btw

[Slybacon]

I met the parents the uncles the cousins, pretty much most of the living bloodline at the kennel. I have my pups family tree all the way back 3 generations into America, I'm pretty sure that's about 4 greats in front of the name.

Absolutely faultless temperaments. They are all show dogs, most of them grand champs with over 1000 points. Temperament is one of the most important features of a correct show dog.

The parents can be viewed in Sydney in two weeks, but i don't think she'll last that long. If your really keen you could probably organise a viewing, its well worth seeing the parents as photos don't do justice, they are stunning in real life.

I've always had Stafford shire Bull Terriers, but after my last boy died of old age i did about 1 and half years research and narrowed it down to 3 Amstaff breeders. I chose Am-staffs because they are alot more chilled out and lower energy then British Stafford, they also suffer less from separation anxiety as they are a little more independent. So far I'm very impressed with the amstaffs i've met. Because they are less popular and rare the bloodlines have been protected and breeders have been careful which is good as I'd hate to see them go the way of pitbulls.

[mr b.caapi]

American Staffy is an alternative name for American Pitbull Terrier, which are beautiful dogs if raised correctly, always a problem with small furry animals but.They are one and the same breed.

Edited December 6, 2010 by mr b.caapi

[mr b.caapi]

Source : http://www.bulldoginformation.com/bull-and-terrier-breeds.html

Edited December 6, 2010 by mr b.caapi

[dreamscape]

Because they are less popular and rare the bloodlines have been protected and breeders have been careful which is good as I'd hate to see them go the way of pitbulls.

 

First things first those dogs are beautiful, love the blue's. Me and my girlfriend have been weighing up what dog to get - she wants a staffy and i want a pitty. I might be misinformed but i thought that there was a court case recently on the gold coast where a judge ruled that the pitbull is an american staffordshire terrier. Almost certain actually, think they had to be put down. Massive court fees as well. My heart goes out to any pitbull owners and pitbulls that have been persecuted because of a couple of over hyped media articles.

EDIT: Just found a link to a gold coast website with a little info about the case and declaring pitbulls the same as amstaffs.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/04/07/205525_gold-coast-news.html

Edited December 6, 2010 by dreamscape

[LikeAshesWeFade]

IMO the APBT is no different to the Amstaff when it comes to blood.. but.. The APBT has been bred strictly for its tenacity and its more athletic body (slightly taller than Amstaff). The Amstaff for the last 80 years has been bred strictly for its temperament. They are the same yes.. but the temperament of the Amstaff has been bred more for their companionship.. Sadly.. Idiots have bred the pitbull for sports/fighting because they will do ANYTHING the owner wants them to do, just for a praise! All staffs are like that too.. I feel its so wrong that they judge pitbulls the way they do because some F**KWIT owner has trained him/her for fighting..

APBT, Amstaff and English Staffy's are ALL gorgeous dogs and they are the only dogs I would EVER get.. I have seen maltese shit kickers go at my 2 yr old daughter.. But never our Amstaff.. NEVER!

My mate has just recently had to get his Pitbull "THOR" de-sexed due to the ranger hassling him.. it is so wrong, but unfortunetly they are the best dog for fighting and have been for 100 odd years.. It is all up to the owner..!

[LikeAshesWeFade]

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Edited December 7, 2010 by LikeAshesWeFade

[AndyAmine.]

I would love to continue this discussion with you but I have decided to delete my post as this thread was started in an attempt to advertise what looks to be a lovely AMSTAFF not a discussion on the finer points of the breed.

We did have a thread about that topic recently, perhaps we can move to that one?

My appologies to SB.

[LikeAshesWeFade]

I would love to continue this discussion with you but I have decided to delete my post as this thread was started in an attempt to advertise what looks to be a lovely AMSTAFF not a discussion on the finer points of the breed.

We did have a thread about that topic recently, perhaps we can move to that one?

My appologies to SB.

 

Likewise.. delete my posts if you can or I'll just edit them. You tend to forget about the original topic when it comes to something your passionate about!

[Slybacon]

No please continue... It is very important that some of the finer points of the breed are discussed.

I am quite informed on the subject, but I'm at work so I can't go into great detail.

The American Pitbull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier are 2 different dogs. It is very very very important if you buy a Amstaff that it be from ANKC registered breeder. If your dog doesn't have papers of registration from ANKC you can assume its not an amstaff. The breed is far more regulated then pitbulls and the registered breeders are very careful to ensure they do not get mixed with pitbulls....

Now before any of you start with the "they are the same breed", they were the same breed. They have been a separated and line bred as different breeds for over 60 years now. I have spent alot of time with SBT AST and APBT's and they all have very different personalities. Sure they share a common ancestors but 60 years is alot of time to effect a bloodline. As pitbulls have been made illegal, all the breeding is not regulated and as such you can not be assured you are getting a dog of pure blood and correct temperament and type.

We all need to be careful when we say they are the same breed or more breed specific legislation will band what is essentially the best all round dog in the world.

Please continue this conversation, Its open for discussion.

Some good breed history and standards here.... u all may be surprised to learn that fighting is but one small part of their history.

http://www.amstaff.org/

Edited December 7, 2010 by Slybacon

[Slybacon]

American Staffy is an alternative name for American Pitbull Terrier,

 

Sorry, but this is 100% incorrect

[Slybacon]

First things first those dogs are beautiful, love the blue's. Me and my girlfriend have been weighing up what dog to get - she wants a staffy and i want a pitty. I might be misinformed but i thought that there was a court case recently on the gold coast where a judge ruled that the pitbull is an american staffordshire terrier. Almost certain actually, think they had to be put down. Massive court fees as well. My heart goes out to any pitbull owners and pitbulls that have been persecuted because of a couple of over hyped media articles.

EDIT: Just found a link to a gold coast website with a little info about the case and declaring pitbulls the same as amstaffs.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/04/07/205525_gold-coast-news.html

 

Do not get a pit bull. They are illegal and it is impossible to tell you are getting a correct american pit bull terrier (apbt) and not a "pitty".

Get an Amstaff from ANKC registered breeder. I have done alot of research on this subject and can get u in touch with some outstanding breeders.

For the record, an amstaff is generally less energy then a stafforshire bull terrier. They are far more chilled out and less attention demanding then staffs

EDIT> I haven't read the link, but Im guessing the dog wasn't ANKC Registered or this mis identity would not of occured. Otherwise there would be breed specific legislation stating amstaffs are pitbulls and ceasing all breeding.

http://www.ankc.org.au/Breed_Details.aspx?bid=46

Bred as a watchdog and family companion, American Staffordshire Terrier is often confused with American Pit Bull Terrier that split from the original breeding and was used for fighting purposes only. The two could be no further apart.

Edited December 7, 2010 by Slybacon

[Slybacon]

Source : http://www.bulldoginformation.com/bull-and-terrier-breeds.html

 

They are two separate breeds, please be careful and ensure you read the links entirely before attempting to summarise them incorrectly. It is incorrect to say it is another name for Pit Bull or More importantly American Pit Bull Terrier.

[dworx]

American Staffy is an alternative name for American Pitbull Terrier, which are beautiful dogs if raised correctly, always a problem with small furry animals but.They are one and the same breed.

 

Sorry that is total BS, they are definitely not one and the same, but do share common genes..if Amstaff is pitbull than english staff is pitbull, Amstaff has closer breeding to the English Staff than the pitbull.

[random]

b.caapi, on 07 December 2010 - 08:44 AM, said:

American Staffy is an alternative name for American Pitbull Terrier,

Sorry, but this is 100% incorrect

Thank dog u got in first, thought I'd have to defend the AmStaff in a plant forum LOL

Lovely looking pup in the pic btw.

In all reality though all dogs can bite/attack, it's all in the socialisation, training and proofing of your dog that helps ensure that never happens.

[mr b.caapi]

Sorry that is total BS, they are definitely not one and the same, but do share common genes..if Amstaff is pitbull than english staff is pitbull, Amstaff has closer breeding to the English Staff than the pitbull.

 

Umm Wrong ! please do not say this is total BS. research my friend, research. have a look then get back to me.

I will say it again, The Amstaff and the Amercian pitbull are the same breed. In fact even the president of the Amstaff breeders in NSW confirmed this.

Edited December 7, 2010 by mr b.caapi

[Slybacon]

Umm Wrong ! please do not say this is total BS. research my friend, research. have a look then get back to me.

I will say it again, The Amstaff and the Amercian pitbull are the same breed. In fact even the president of the Amstaff breeders in NSW confirmed this.

 

You are completely mis-understanding the facts, including the reference you posted.

Two separate breeds. In australia if you have an ANKC registered American Staffordshire Terrier you own a dog that has come from two parents who are both ANKC or UK and USA equivilent registered and papered dogs. You see to be called any specific breed by true definition you must be able to trace the bloodline back to the original registered dogs. In the case of AMSTAFFS this happened in the 30's when they were first registered as Staffordshire Terriers. The American part didn't get added untill the 70's. So in australia if you have a papered AMSTAFF you have a dog whos bloodline goes back nearly 70 years.

American Pitbull Terriers and AMSTAFFS have been separate breed for nearly 70 years. They are not the same anymore. They have different characters and builds.

[dworx]

Maybe Mr.b we are reading that one article wrong but the two breeds you are referring to are distinctly different breeds. My understanding of the law case here in Australia was that the owners of the Amstaff were victorious in their claim that the Amstaff is a different breed to the APBT..

[dworx]

also Nice dogz sly..

[mr b.caapi]

No other blood has been introduced to the so called "Amstaff" so how can they be a different dog??

[Slybacon]

No other blood has been introduced to the so called "Amstaff" so how can they be a different dog??

 

Yes you are correct here in saying this. SBT, AST and APBT are the only three that are recognised as separate breeds despite no crossing between breeds of other bloodlines. Back when the breed was just Staffordshire Bull Terrier there was alot of variation in the breed. The hunting terriers of the time were mixes from alot of bloodlines. When crossed with the bull baiting dogs of the time alot of variation in looks , character and temperament were apparent. As time went on breeders selected certain qualities in there bloodlines and the selective breeding brought about 3 separate breeds.

The variation from crossing bloodlines early on is what gave theses type 2 terriers the three separate breeds we see today. If you find 3 dogs all true to there bloodlines, one sbt one amstaff and one pitbull you would have no problem identifying three sepperate dogs.

The amstaff is it own breed just as the staffordshire bull terrier is its own breed.

[Sallubrious]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck........

It has the same build and same powerful jaw and if it gets hold of a silky terrier or a child then we can predict the outcome.

In a rural environment where you have feral pigs those breeds are perfect but in an urban environment ????

Most people where I live are in denial as to how dangerous their dog is.they get a dog and whack it in the back yard and play with it occasionally and think that this is acceptable.

I realise they don't all have the same temperament as a pitbull but they are still a powerful dog that can do a lot of damage and I think it is the owners responsibility to train the dog and have a well fenced yard.

If they roam the streets all the time and have had no training what so ever the I think this is a dangerous combination.

Irresponsibile owners make all dogs look bad no matter what the breed.

That is the reason why pitbulls have such a bad name.

[random]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck........

It has the same build and same powerful jaw and if it gets hold of a silky terrier or a child then we can predict the outcome

Seriously, the idiots who own *powerful* breeds of dogs and mishandle them are the ones to blame for the scaremongering that the media has forced upon this breed of dog, your post here is merely perpetuating the myth that the media and ignorant people continue to believe - APBT's are banned in Australia anyway so anyone complying with the law won't have a problem with owning whatever breed of dog they choose....

Breed specific legislation IMHO is tantamount to racism and I have NFI why people continue their fear-based attacks on certain *breeds* of dog and insist on perpetuating the myth that the *breed* of dog is to blame.

On one hand you say that the owners are the ones responsible but on the other hand you say that the dogs *It has the same build and same powerful jaw* is the dangerous part....? = perpetuating the myth that bull-type breeds of dogs are dangerous - well at least thats how your post read to me.

In reference to the other posts, why is it that APBTs can be DNA tested by authorities in order to determine their breed?

Would a DNA test then conclude that an english Staffordshire bull terrier is an American Pit Bull?

*edited to say that i've said my piece on this topic and won't be posting anything further in relation to any ignorant opinions on these breeds of dog.

Edited December 8, 2010 by meeka

[Slybacon]

This little Terrier looks pretty at home amongst the AMSTAFF's. This is a pic from Newbelle Kennel, that is their pack. I'm pretty sure the little terrier is the boss

Edited December 8, 2010 by Slybacon