Monotomic elements to encourage plant growth

[Neoshaman]

I remember sometime back reading a lot a bout monotomic gold , silver , platinum and other presious metals in mono & diatomic states being used to improve health , menatl clarity and a few other things I came across an intresting article that alledged that a walnut tree fed some of these elements had a rapid increase in growth rates and the size of the fruits unfortunately it was on a website selling the products which obviously makes me a little skeptical apparently a guy called David Hudson ( i think he is an agricultural researcher / biologist or something along these lines ) is the main one behind the vast majority of the legitimate research but as to its affects on plants i'm both skeptical and curious after trying some on myself the most i can really report is a strange stimulation that became present around the point where the spinal cord and brain meet cerbal cortex?

It does seem to increase the kick of certain psychadelics although I suppose all this could just be placebo

Has anyone played with this themselves healthwise or as a potentiator ?

Can anyone verify or disprove the effectiveness of these type of elements for stimulating plant growth?

[ThunderIdeal]

you should do your own experiment, i would be skeptical of anything even though i hope there is some truth to this ormus stuff.

[Fenris]

Not really monoatomic related but you should check out Rudolph Steiner, he came up with biodynamic farming and was a really facinating character. Well it is kind of related, Im sure ormus could be used to enhance biodynamic farming, its all practical alchemy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steine...g_.26_gardening

[.dg]

plenty of cheaper additives proven to promote amazing growth

some more strip mining for our food crops anyone?

[ThunderIdeal]

i'm sorry, additives proven to promote amazing growth? can you please elaborate? is there any proof that even ormus increases plant growth?

i'm very skeptical about horticultural snake oils, and while i really like some of steiner's ideas i advise they be taken with serious salt grainage. bio-dynamics seems to be unjustifiably dogmatic where it should be a foundation for further speculation and research, you know, bio-dynamics is sorcery and shouldn't be mistaken otherwise.

[Neoshaman]

plenty of cheaper additives proven to promote amazing growth

some more strip mining for our food crops anyone?

Strip mining LOL actaully evaps of dead sea water would prove the most useful source for ORMUS but anyway another intresting fact alledgedly is that the conversion to monotomic state increase mass to 150% of the pre-converted weight I guess this where claims of anti-gravitational properties come in plus there are plenty of scrap prescious metals around the place just waiting to be converted further to this considering the technology is used by the US for rocket development and also some intresting canceer trials I don't think a few gardeners trying to improve crops is going to make a dent in comparison to these massive projects

who said anything about food I was thinkin more potent ethnos with higher yeilds

Silver nano particles are very intresting not so much for plant growth but for the fact they kill a vast majority of bacteria and viruses although I suppose that would pose an intresting question in regards to plant disease

I only have small amount of what i purchased left , hence the reason for asking the opinions of other people out there before buying more to undertake such experimentation, I will say one thing be it a postive type placebo effect or the real deal when i was taking it I didn't even catch a sniffle or sickness over the 12 months which i think is definitely a point in favour of the product

[WickedFart]

Yeah i have seen some of Davids research. One in particular was concerning acorn trees. The tree that had been watered with the monoatomic elements had huge walnutes the size of your hand. That said allot the people who are into the monoatomic area pass water through vortex with magnets aranged circularly around it. They call the unit a water trap. Out one end comes the monoatomic solution and out the other end waste water, water devoid supposedly of monoatomic elements. Whether or not there are monoatomic elements in the water or whether its due to the change in angle of the water molecule who knows

Viktor Schauberger was really the pioneer of researching the effects of water. During wwii i think he was abducted by the nazis to create UFO type device which levitated due to water rotating in a vortex. There are a number of cool books out there, just check torrent for victor.

[nabraxas]

forum member simon_marklar talks about his use ov monatomic gold in this post:

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...amp;#entry46089

[Μορφέας]

Silver nano particles are very intresting not so much for plant growth but for the fact they kill a vast majority of bacteria and viruses although I suppose that would pose an intresting question in regards to plant disease

not to mention highly lethal to humans at something ridiculous like 50ug, id be careful ionising silver and using it!

[Neoshaman]

Silver nano particles are very intresting not so much for plant growth but for the fact they kill a vast majority of bacteria and viruses although I suppose that would pose an intresting question in regards to plant disease

not to mention highly lethal to humans at something ridiculous like 50ug, id be careful ionising silver and using it!

I have come across a few places that sell so called monotomic silver I wonder how this differs from the colodial silver that you hear about people drinking in small amounts aqlthough if 50 ug is lethal i begin to doubt if the product is genuine being american companys selling these products and the litigant nature of Americans i would imagine these places would have been sued out of existance

I've coonsumed about 2 fluid ounces of monotomic gold over a period of 15months without any negative health effects SWIM mentioned to me that he has also tried and found it to have intresting interactions with a number of psychadelics and psychadelic stimulants althougfh this may well have been placebo i can't find any solid research that proves or disproves this concept

[landon]

Silver nano particles are very intresting not so much for plant growth but for the fact they kill a vast majority of bacteria and viruses although I suppose that would pose an intresting question in regards to plant disease

not to mention highly lethal to humans at something ridiculous like 50ug, id be careful ionising silver and using it!

hey hey now dont be tellin ppl that Silver particles are toxic....... the worst thing that can happen is that it will turn your skin ashey ..ppl have been using silver for decades to fight bacteiria.. we used silver cups to store water because the silver breaks down and kills the germs in the water making it safer to drink. and ive been using coloduail silver for a year now and im in perfect health...

[Zaka]

Irie,

I saw a method to make coloduail silver, using two pieces of silver (coins), 3x 9v battries, and a couple of alligator clip in distilled water.

Interesting concept!

Respect

Z

[mescalito]

David Hudson's the man,I'll try to find links.

Umm yeah my mate/member from here makes various forms himself and has been to David's last presentation here in Australia.

I've mentioned it a few times recently waiting for a bite (do a search on the forums)

He sent me some monatomic gold when he first started getting into it,which I have taken and is truly an incredible M-state product.(not the only type tho,there are better ones for each person/plant etc)

The sensations felt were that of lightness and depth of thought,even epiphany type feelings...really hard to describe.This stuff he actually purchased and was the last batch made by a dude in the U.S. who has recently departed.

There are many ways to make this stuff,and many forms.It is believed to be "Manna",also speculated to be what was in the ark of the covenant held in the Great Pyramid...the elixer that turned the Egyptian kings into living gods.The Pyramid was designed to energize and contain the subtle-energies of the gold.

This is an exact scale replica of the Great Pyramid he made and aligned to true north on the floor of the kitchen at home.

For some reason this weird arse cat 'o mine headed straight for the middle.

I also placed a Peyote in a 'hot spot' using my hand to detect the most energetic point to put it and left it ther for 3 days.When I touched the top of the cacti it sparked just before contact and left an oily residue on my finger which disappeared within 10 seconds....apparently a common phenomena I later found out.

He also makes various "wet method" precipitates from different salt sources.Ones for health and vigour are usually high in Rhodium and Iridium.

At the moment I have some "Ormus" he made and energised to help with W/D's and general health.He used Celtic,Dead-Sea and Himalayan salts through a vortex trap(not too difficult to make,got the plans here somewhere),over a picture of the mandala a group of Tibetan monks were making with coloured sand and chanting over before sweeping them away during their recent tour of Aus...and it certainly is active!!...but needs to be stored correctly to stop the elements from "snapping" back to their stable spin state.Electro magnetic fields are a major trigger as is UV light.

We've had many many many discussions re:plants,fungi and Ormus.Ormus seems to accelerate mycelial growth and I wouldn't be surprised if the active types contain these M-state materials.The cap of the shroom displaying ,not unlike a pyramid,a cavity resonance effect containing the energies.Fresh verses dry

I have used it on plants,both healthy and dying with astonishing results.My caapi vine was untouched by frost this last season and I've recently added it to another plant and various cacti all doing great.

Edible shrooms and my new no-dig garden(doing a pictorial atm) are the next subjects.

I'll see if I can get him to throw his well versed spin (no pun intended ) into this thread.

Linkys!

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/faq.htm

This one has some amazing pics and other incredible stuff:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/puzzles.htm

Edit:WPG and LBM's can lead to unexpected additions to families ;-)

Edited November 11, 2009 by mescalito

[hebrew]

havent read the whole thread will do later when i get home from work, but i take a monotomic gold preperation, i find ti to be really good stuff, gold being one of the immortal medicines of daoist practices. as well as other cultures, i have a fridn who makes exceptional gold, he adds it to cinnabar and long gu both interesting medicines on their own, as well as cinnabar being one of the other immortality minerals.

[mescalito]

I subscribe to the WhiteGold Digest and this is what came up today:

> Question

>

> Some research is telling me that there is perhaps several different

> types and/or processes for White Powder Gold. In other words that

> WPG is not all exactly the same? Is this true? For instance there

> is WPG that is made according to the patent of David Hudson, And

> then there is the True Classical Philosopher's Stone, I understand…

> Is there any other's? What do you know about this? And what types

> do you know about and teach? Is it based off of David Hudson? or

> is it something else??

>

>

> Our answer

>

> Dear (name removed),

>

> Your questions need quite an essay to answer… We'll try to make it as

> short as possible. Let's go in chronological order.

>

> We began thinking about Hudson's method but it is full of extremely

> hazardous steps, chemicals, so we searched on and on. We found the

> Don Nance method, which uses easier to handle chemicals to dissolve

> the gold. In other chemical aspects, that method is essentially the

> same as Hudson's.

>

> We first realized that there is a missing step in both methods, so

> you can't get anything following them. We solved this problem, found

> out what to do. And it worked then, we consumed what we produced. The

> first dose we made gave such powerful and unmistakable "consciousness

> expansion" effect on both of us, that we KNEW, we had the real thing.

>

> We began to produce the stuff, it became our first and most important

> activity. We consumed all what we made. We actually lived in the

> laboratory, spent our nights there, etc. This is important to

> understand. Our whole life centered around the Stone.

>

> We got to know more and more about it. One day it "came into our

> eyes" that something is not OK.

>

> We began to think about the process and think over the process, made

> experiments. And then we realized that this powder can't come from

> the gold or can't come solely from the gold. It took 3 whole days to

> understand what we saw, because it was against all physical and

> chemical "rules" we had known. It was like going crazy, mind twisting

> and bending trying to understand and search out what is really

> happening in the reaction flask. We did all possible measurements and

> experiments till finally we understood – or rather accepted – what we saw.

>

> (By the way, that was the time when I – Judit – realized that

> sometime earlier I or maybe we had already made this stuff and was

> murdered because of it. It was really fearful to feel in all its

> details that I was so close to something and I failed. I died with

> all the pain of knowing that it ran out of my hands. And I felt that

> pain sitting before the flask in real time.)

>

> So the conclusions we have are these:

>

> Neither Hudson, nor anybody else we know did understand really what

> was happening. Chemistry deluded them. If you are totally rooted in

> classical chemistry and physics, your eyes will see what you believe

> in, you will find proof for that in analytical results, and you will

> never think "beyond". You have to accept that there might be

> something else or something more to see that something.

>

> We have a close friend in the US with firm chemical, physical and

> biological academic background. He had had analyses of the powder.

> The analyses gave the same results as Hudson's, but a different

> method was used.

>

> But: Hudson says, this white powder consists of monoatomic transient

> elements. The spectroscopic method he used is based on heating the

> powder for a relatively long time on a graphite electrode and then

> assaying it. Then it assays as these elements. Nobody ever proved

> that they are really monoatomic. It is just a speculation, although

> might be true. Hudson thought his white powder WAS a monoatomic

> transient metal mixture when he put it onto the electrode. It was

> not!! When this powder meets graphite on high temperature and long

> enough time, it TURNS into these transient elements. White powder IS

> NOT a transient metal mixture, it TURNS to that in certain circumstances!

>

> We put our powder into a graphite vessel, covered it all with

> graphite powder and then heated it at 1400 Celsius for 24-36 hours.

> Then the tiny metallic particles produced during this time were

> assayed – and guess what, the mixture assayed just like Hudson's material.

>

> The human body is somekind of an alchemical crucible. It can "use"

this powder.

>

> Moreover, when you put the powder into a Faraday cage, you can feel

> its Meisner field. We tried several methods to utilize its power. You

> can put it into a metal pendant and wear it in your neck, for

> example. It has a profound effect even this way, just by constantly

> interacting with the aura of the body.

>

> Now regarding the question about the "real thing", the "real"

> Philosopher's Stone:

>

> The real and only "proof" for us is what has been happening to us and

> others consuming it. If it were NOT the real stuff, we would NEVER

> get to this condition we are in. Contemplate it…

>

> First you need or rather must understand that this stuff is "thought

> sensitive". Now we know that our thought or expectation during the

> synthesis defines the quality of material we get. We mean not the

> exact material or elemental composition but the qualities,

> capabilities of the material. As our intention, and note that we were

> two, two parallel intentions, at that time was only to get a stuff

> that helps to reach enlightenment (especially as we did not know that

> then, that there might be other qualities possible to get) we got

> that one. This is the naked truth.

>

> Now we can make healing powders designed exactly for a sick person to

> heal him/her. And it works and now we have doctors sending their

> incurable patients to us. Or rather to Thomas, as he is the MD. And

> they recover from their condition. The only exception might be when

> the soul does really want to quit – but we haven't met such a case yet.

>

> This knowledge is somewhat of an Alchemical secret. Nobody talks

> about it. We can understand that now, this is wise to behave so. If

> or when you are "ready", it will come to you. You cannot search for

> it. You can only find it. Or does it find you? Maybe.

>

> The only one personal report on the internet about the effect of wpg

> is an interview with an unidentified man from Hudson's group. It is

> rather dim or misty when you read it and you don't understand what he

> says and why he says it so.

>

> Now we know. Our whole experience-mass is so "otherworldy" in a way

> that it is almost incommunicable.

[mescalito]

and:

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:45:36 +1000

Subject: Testimonials about the GrandFather batch of Elixir of Life

Ormus from Oz

Hi guys,

I was SO pleased yesterday that on the 11th of the 11th (yesterday) a

new customer sent me this rave about her experience!

Actually, this OTHER customer sent another fine rave same also

yesterday by internet reorder.

I am using BOTH of them in an Ormus ad I have been doing today..

Cool aren't they? I just HAD to send them.

OK, ok, I KNOW that this is shameless self promotion, but when I

first joined these Ormus forums, I REALLY wanted to know WHO was

making an Ormus that I would FEEL!

Because NOTHING seemed to have any effect on me!

One of the people who I MOST loved reading was Seekverta from Hong

Kong, who hardly ever writes these days.. because his posts were and

still HUGELY informative and a great read.

The 'problem' for newish members is this: SO FEW posts that indicate

WHERE to get a good Ormus that you will NOTICE!

As I said, Because NOTHING seemed to have any 'grunt' as we say here in Oz.

Well this lady Vivienne, a super charming lady from Adelaide, read

about my Ormus and contacted me, ordering some.

When she got it overnight she said:

Hello there. Denis! Thanks for the Elixir in the post in time for

today the 11th of the 11th.

I would just like to say - Wow. YOU ARE NOT KIDDING about it being POWERFUL!

I felt a vague 'high' feeling just handling the package trying to open it!

I took some immediately like u suggested, and my hands started being

shaky and got a lightheaded, 'spinning out' feel .. it was just so powerful!

I took some more at 11.11am and it was great.

I meditated at the same time, and just felt really "big", like I was

bigger than me, and heady. It was a great feeling )

I haven't felt that way before, and the big-ness was fleeting, still,

was awesome. Thanks again for the good stuff!

Vivienne Adelaide S.Australia

And this other customer reordered by paypal, with this note:

Thank you for the greatest thing in our life Denis. Since the first

day of taking it my hubby and I are feeling great so we are re-ordering.

We are SO much healthier physically and mentally and the best thing

is that my migraines have gone from daily to one a month,

Catherine W Queensland.

These raves were about the Grandfather Ormus that we still have more

of in Georgia that Maggie can send for $60 .. or two 240 ml bottles

for $110 PLUS the DreamTime under pillow bottle for free as a bonus.

Send to ' [email protected] ' by paypal (www.paypal.com /sendmoney) and

Maggie will send some to you.

And THIS rave immediately below shows a valuable marker of a strong Ormus!

It works by PROXIMITY! Some of my women customers wear a 25 ml bottle

in their bra! They claim that it improves their day.

So, I had to made the under pillow 'DreamTime' bottle available! I

give it away with 'double orders'.

You KNOW you have a good Ormus when people report experiencing the

'Whirlies' just from handling it!

My assistant Isabel get the whirlies every time she comes to bottle

and pack some! I mean EVERY time she comes!

Well, read Corey's story below about what happened for him when, not

taking it, but just having it under his PILLOW!

Sharon Rose first clued me up to this 'marker' of a good Ormus! It

works on you all night when under your pillow!

This is his rave!

*When you had told me that my world wouldn't be the same afterwards.

I scoffed.*

Thanks for giving me the 'DreamTime' under pillow bottle 2 months ago

Denis. Within a week of it being there, I had moved out of a

stressful relationship and in with a supportive mate. Within two

weeks I had struck some good money deals making many thousands! And

suddenly I was beating a friend at tennis who ALWAYS beat me! I was

focused and 'In the Zone'!

AND I was getting compliments from people saying "You look good,

rested." Mate, I swear this is true,

About this time I went to see a doctor about my high blood

pressure/stress and my BP was back to a healthy 115 over 75.

Amazingly, my resting heart rate had gone from 70 to 54.

The lack of stress, increased focus, some financial success - it all

happened after sleeping with your Ormus under my pillow.

*Was it magic?* *I can't be sure, but** with a healthy lack of

skepticism, I'm now an Ormus fan. **It has indeed changed my life. *

*Corey, Gold Coast Queensland

Well, this is my little irregular contribution on my own ormus as

experienced by some customers that I am committing to print next week

in Nexus magazine .. a premier mag for the news you NEVER HEAR anywhere else!

*

Cheers and regards,

Denis of Oz

[mescalito]

Also found a pic of some previously almost dead plants we treated with my mates standard sea-salt ormes:

note the new growth of the caapi and Khat which was already being burned by frost prior...we moved not long after and the poor buggers copped a flogging in a windstorm,but they still kickin'