nabraxas Posted May 8, 2008 Ira Isaacs, an adult video director, producer, and distributor who was named in an eight-count federal obscenity indictment handed down last July. Isaacs trades in shock videos, including fecal-themed features like "Laurie's Toilet Show" and "Hollywood Scat Amateurs No. 7" and bestiality videos like "Gang Bang Horse (Pony Sex Game)." Last month, Mark Kernes interviewed Isaacs, and the interview is interesting. According to Isaacs, he's an artist, a "shock artist," who compares his work to that of Robert Mapplethorpe, Andres Serrano, and Chris Ofili. RADAR: How did you get started making these movies? IRA ISAACS: When the Internet was happening, I wanted to enter it in some way, and I wanted to do something different. In the past, you needed a lot of money and people to make a movie. Until video cameras were invented. Then the Internet was a big breakthrough for distribution. So, I started making a lot of money with these fetish shock videos. I was distributing shock art films from Europe. What do you mean by "shock art films"? You talk about art? What is art? Art is what artists do. If it shocks you, it's art. One of the things art should do is make you think and question things. Shock art has always been something that has been a very popular thing through the 20th century and the 21st century. People used feces as shock art. There was a guy who shit in a can and sold it for the price of gold. [in 1961, Italian conceptual artist Piero Manzoni canned his feces in 90 tins and sold them for the price of their weight in gold.] So, the Internet allowed me to be an artist, to reach a lot of people. It allowed me to be on the edge, to do what I would never do as a fine artist. If you're going to paint, you've got to compete with Picasso. If you want to write a great classical music piece, you're competing with Mozart. I would never write anything like Kafka's The Trial. If I was going to make a mark, I was going to do it in some extreme shock way. "People don't buy my videos because they want to watch people having sex," Isaacs opines. "Regular porn does that. I need to convince people that mine is serious art." And perhaps most interestingly, Isaacs and his lawyer, he says, intend to pursue an unprecedented legal defense. The 2 Girls 1 Cup defense, that is. Isaacs explains: "'What it is, is, there's videos all over the internet of millions of people watching this [Two Girls, One Cup] video, and it's a shock video, and people record their reactions...' '[T]he idea is, millions of people are watching this video about girls shitting in each other's mouths, vomiting in each other's mouths, and they are not, I think, obviously looking for prurient interest to masturbate. People are trying to shock themselves, because in today's world, everything is shock on TV... People need a lot to be shocked these days... What I've done is, I think, really shocked people, and I think that's why the federal government is on this case.'" In United States v. Gugliemi (819 F.2d 451), the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals considered the legality of bestial pornography, sided with Alan Dershowitz' contention that the grossness of the events depicted in the defendant's film, "The Snake F**kers" was so extreme as to not appeal to the prurient interests demanded of the pornography standard. In short, it was so gross it was beyond pornography, which is what the defendant here is arguing. more here 2 Girls 1 Cup wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Girls_1_Cup 2 Girls 1 Cup the video Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devance Posted May 8, 2008 Glad to see you are in humor. But I don't think that copro is the path to anything. If we could smell like animals like sea lions [beach masters] the scent molecules would give the impression to a animal [beach master]as to recognition a female in the imagination. A short fornication than back to ocean. Beach master don't recognize pups, not even their own. For humans its visual imagery as well but walking, talking and a slight smell factor.signals. Anyway its more a matter of imagination rather than identifying the supposedly oerfect mate by visual or speech or muscle movements of the face or body. A alternative outlook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2b Posted May 8, 2008 Well , now i know who made that video. To be honest i had night mares and gagged at the thought of that clip for days after i saw it and i consider myself to be pretty hardened. In answer to your question about art or porn, it's defiantly not porn and i could not get aroused watching that kind of stuff. I was sent the URL via e-mail a few weeks ago and there was no doubt the sender was trying to get a shock response and it worked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted May 8, 2008 coprophilia - eating shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) ^ yeah, it definitely isn't porn as the US 4th Circuit Court of Appeals noted. As to what "is" or "is not" art, i'd say that is culturally & subjectively defined. If Dada can get away with exhibiting a toilet as a work ov shock art I don't see why going that one step further & filming 2 girls eating shit can't also be considered in some respects art also. like you 2b, i found the video extremely confronting & was unable to watch all ov it. If one ov the functions ov art is to challenge our preconceptions the video certainly does that. devance-- glad you appreciated the humour Edited May 8, 2008 by nabraxas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baphomet Posted May 8, 2008 "i found the video extremely confronting & was unable to watch all ov it" What kind of sadhu are you then? Believe it or not I watched it 3 times and laughed, not that it turns me on or anything but its interesting to see how the other half lives (I have seen worse scat than that ). Sometimes I get kind of bored with life and I need to see extreme things to break the manotony, the only thing I seem to have difficulty with is some beheadings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted May 8, 2008 What kind of sadhu are you then? touche... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Gee you are a shit stirrer 'axas I disagree with the premise "If it shocks you, it's art" Shocking people is actually quite easy, and it's an easy way to feel like a cutting-edge artist. I think art is a lot more than this... Duchamp's fountain (ie. urinal) was about so much more than it's mere shock value. As much as I love twentieth century art, I think it is important to step back and look at it in a cultural-historical framework, and ask ourselves "what does what we call art say about us as a society?" Actually, the whole idea of "shock art" leaves me cold, it is IMO art with nothing useful left to say, art its death throes... but of course, that is probably the point. IMO, successful art is like a mirror, maybe a funhouse mirror, it helps us to see ourselves and our culture from a different perspective... and I think this guy's work shows us a lot of things about ourselves and our society that maybe we don't want to see. At least, I know I don't want to see ANY of those videos, the knowledge that they exist is sickening and gross enough for my liking. Edited May 8, 2008 by Sublime Crime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted May 8, 2008 Why did I just watch that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Why did I just watch that? Easy... you're a pervert! *edit* Anyway, if it's a fetish movie (as the creator refers to it) then it is still porn, just aimed at a small corner of the market. Of course, those of us without the fetish don't understand, but people still get off on it. Edited May 8, 2008 by Sublime Crime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted May 8, 2008 Gee you are a shit stirrer 'axas i try. Shocking people is actually quite easy, and it's an easy way to feel like a cutting-edge artist. I think art is a lot more than this... i agree, that's why i said the shock factor is just one ov art's functions. it is IMO art with nothing useful left to say, art its death throes... but of course, that is probably the point. yes, i guess it probably is. there's no magic left in portraying things ov beauty. All that's left is to appall peoples base nature with the lowest common denominator It shows how far we've sunk when some people actually find it pleasantly diverting.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) It shows how far we've sunk when some people actually find it pleasantly diverting.... Wow, you really can stir! *edit* i agree, that's why i said the shock factor is just one ov art's functions. Where did you say that? Anyway, I meant the guy's premise "if it shocks you, it's art" I didn't think you necessarily shared his view... What I meant is if the primary value of your art is its shock value... well, even if it is arguable as to whether it is art or not, it certainly won't be art that has much longevity, as the ability to shock people at all seems to be almost entirely gone in our decadent society! I wonder how long before stuff like this becomes the basis for a reality TV program? Edited May 8, 2008 by Sublime Crime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted May 8, 2008 I wonder how long before stuff like this becomes the basis for a reality TV program? Big Turder maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 9, 2008 Big Turder maybe? Just off the top of my head... Poostars Australian Piddle Feces Factor The Biggest Loose-Pooer The Crapprentice Gee, maybe I am the pervert... I certainly have too much time on my hands, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted May 9, 2008 In answer to your question about art or porn, it's defiantly not porn and i could not get aroused watching that kind of stuff. SO i don't get over feet, doesn't mean others do. Porn is subjective. Some friends ikow find porn in on the ebach with girls sunbaking in bikinis. If you get off over it its porn. I just wonder how much money these girls got paid? Like i wonder how much those really preety girls that get paid to eat cum out of naother grils ass get paid, or to "poo" the cum into a glass drink it. Same bacterium. And perosnnel i find it on porn to be quite the norm and nothing shoking about it... I am sur eyou will find a hole (pun intended) market for this stuff ASS to mouth girls drinking semn form there ass. I have seen some very stained looking semen coming form a girls ass, Its no different to jackass... i am sure eating the raw ingerdinats to an omletyte than puking it up and cooking it and eating isn't relaly that different. alhtough they porbably havn't gone that far as to eat shit... yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted May 9, 2008 Good sound track but shit video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 9, 2008 Oh, I thought my puns were pretty good, but yeah wasn't trying to start a trend anyway, so whatever./Brent Nabraxas, please stop for while your posts are seriously grossing me out. Now I know how people felt about Warrio-Sage, all those horrible headlines, and a such morbid urge to read it... actually, I guess that is how people generally feel about the news too, so this is like that, except the news is in Hell and the editor is the Devil, or God or whoever is supposed to rule hell according to the Bible (God, I think?) Someone scary anyway... the people who voted for John Howard in 2004, maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 9, 2008 And perosnnel i find it on porn to be quite the norm and nothing shoking about it... I am sur eyou will find a hole (pun intended) market for this stuff ASS to mouth girls drinking semn form there ass. I have seen some very stained looking semen coming form a girls ass, You are kind of proving the point about how blithely degenerate towards these things our culture has become. I want to point out that that is in no way normal sexual behavior, and would definitely be classed as a small fetish sub-genre compared to most porn... just because you watch a lot of it doesn't mean it's the norm This link might give you an idea of what I mean! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted May 9, 2008 You are kind of proving the point about how blithely degenerate towards these things our culture has become. I want to point out that that is in no way normal sexual behavior, and would definitely be classed as a small fetish sub-genre compared to most porn... just because you watch a lot of it doesn't mean it's the norm If some chcik wnated to suck my cock afetr i stuck it in her ass i would be alittle disturbed but i find watching to be nothing obscene, maybe becuase i do seek out these mediums..... I am sure that it is subgenre fetishism, but it still points out that this shit eating is becaming more of a "normal" in the wierd sexual subgenre fetish. I doubt most chicks would actaully do this.. and some of the girls i have seen are very very preety, so where does your comntempt for the act be over come by the allure of money. one my "mates" (deifetnly not me ) likes black hairy chicks which he does for free and iw ould need at least a grand +booze + viagria +3 condoms to do some of the girls he has done. Maybe these things are becoming the sexual norm. I am sure 200 years ago in christian society, fucking chick doggie was a fetish and now its the norm. Porgression afetr all is how societies evolve. I now prepose that ass - to mouth sex is the only way we,as a society, can porgress. only than and i mean only than once all forms of extreme sexual fetuish have beceom the norm, will be a masterful society. SO lets grab or aryan brothers and rise to challenge, to conquer the world one ass to mouth at a time. but seriously anyone know if you egt payed more to do an ass to mouth scene compared ti justa staright fuck.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted May 9, 2008 baphomet i wonder what you're on about "its interesting to see how the other half lives (I have seen worse scat than that" that's how the other half lives now? just a bit confused. it doesn't really make the act seem much easier, and i'm sure there are people willing to do what was in that video, but here's what i think might have happened if those chicks had a little bit of dignity. they pumped that chicks ass full of something, i'm thinking melted snickers bars. we all saw what happened next. brain.. "IMO, successful art is like a mirror, maybe a funhouse mirror, it helps us to see ourselves and our culture from a different perspective... and I think this guy's work shows us a lot of things about ourselves and our society that maybe we don't want to see." you've gone and validated a guy who filmed chicks playing with vomit and shit. i'm not sure if you were joking it didn't show me much about myself, except that thanks to movies i'm able to watch fucked up shit by telling myself it is fake. those videos that show all sorts of horrible real life stuff are much more disturbing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) I agree with the fakeness. I was thinking it was probably chocolate mousse inserted post-enema. EDIT:...still disturbing though. Edited May 9, 2008 by ballzac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted May 9, 2008 baphomet i wonder what you're on about "its interesting to see how the other half lives (I have seen worse scat than that"brain.. "IMO, successful art is like a mirror, maybe a funhouse mirror, it helps us to see ourselves and our culture from a different perspective... and I think this guy's work shows us a lot of things about ourselves and our society that maybe we don't want to see." you've gone and validated a guy who filmed chicks playing with vomit and shit. i'm not sure if you were joking it didn't show me much about myself, except that thanks to movies i'm able to watch fucked up shit by telling myself it is fake. No, I didn't validate him, and even if it were possible for me to do so, I still wouldn't! I don't think much of him or his videos, he just sounds like a messed up pervert... but so do all the great artists! Nah, but seriously I think you missed my point entirely... probably because you completely took that statement out of its context. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MindExpansion Posted May 9, 2008 Man... i dunno how people can get off on that shit...literally. Oh well to each their own i suppose, not for me though. I do think the producer probably fucked his 'art' defence wen he called it a 'fetish' film, because i associate that more with porn than art. pretty grubby porno though. I really dont consider this art at all, sure it is porn, just not mainstream porn, but in a sense all porn is art. So i suppose i can see how this can thus be art, just remember all that art can essentially be considered anything anyone produces, and recognise that there are probably some people out there who would call this art, i would call it porn, but i would call porn a form of art, as i would consider shitty stevan segal movies art, they may not be good art, but art nonetheless. Peace, Mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
