Pedophile Piggy

[ThunderIdeal]

"especially as it actually results in full rehabilitation from the condition."

does it? we've all heard how it doesn't stop rapists except from getting an erection.

[XipeTotec]

ps, Xipe, I think under trad law in Iran and a few other place,s girls as young as nine are married off, but whether theyre meant to be put to "use" or whether you're "allowed" to touch em til menses, I couldn't say. Probably the original law was written with more pure intent in mind, but how things ar emeant and how things are done generally differes

not sure about iran... but in the episode of "tribe" that someone here recommended be watched a while back, the guy stayed with a south american tribe. There was an 8 or 9 yo girl whom had been married to an adult, for the purpose of her then being under his care. I didnt get the impression of any funny goings on. I assume that this arrangement is similar in other cultures that have the similar family organisations.

[Sparkster]

I watched a disturbing doco on SBS (yes I know, which of their docos arn't at least a little bit of a mindfuck) about arranged marriages in the middle east. (can't recall specific country)

It was the social norm there for a male to prick his bride in his early teens with the help of their family. It was awful to watch because it had the uncles of a 13 year old boy forcing him to get married to a 9 year old girl who lived down the road. It was a tradition that the girls side of the family is provided a 'marital cloth' that she is penetrated on the night of her marriage.

They filmed the day after the wedding where this bloodied cloth was given back to the girls family, the girls family actually got so upset that it was covered in so much blood they accused the boys uncles of encouraging him to rape her.

That is a society that tolerates this whacked out shit, and like other Islamic countries think gays are the most evil thing on earth.

Morality can be a fickle thing, it is opinion afteral, and for 99.9% of the population its an straight-forward conclusion to come to, its a fucking evil thing to do. (to perpertrate abuse, or get kicks out of it) That percentage would vary very heavily in some societies though, because... doing fucked up shit is kinda the norm...

I do get the impression that Torsten is just trying to illustrate how completely different peoples perceptions are about it,

Every discussion I've seen about this issue turns into a shit fight... news.com.au had one of their wretched bloggers write about it and the comments section turned out to be either

a.) "KILL THEM ALL!"...

b.) "YOU MUST BE A CHILD MOLESTOR IF YOU BELIEVE IN RESTRAINT"....or...

c.) "DONT KILL THEM"

I think people are just eager to peg people into other groups, thats why people are constantly misquoted and taken out of context here.

[incognito]

i have seen on tv, read in the past about countrys where such young girls are married off.

i think it was india? anyways these poor girls are pregnant at 13/14, and cos theyre bodies are so imature, giving birth either kills em or renders them really fuct up and incontinent.

they are shunned by theyre husbands and community, and basically live in the streets relying on handouts.

geez Iran seems like a really fucked up place the more i hear about it!

[Stonehenge]

Vert the voluminous shit stirrer. Yes, that has a ring to it. The ring of truth. I was going to stay out of this thread because it had become nothing but emotional claptrap and no one seemed willing to discuss things in a reasonable way. But, I got tired of being misquoted and lied about. Mostly by vert but also by others. Vert wrote this and implied I said it:

"You are responsible for a portion of the crimes commited due to your attitude. Better a harmed child than someone jerking off"

I never said "Better a harmed child than someone jerking off" that is a complete lie. I said that someone jerking off does not harm a child. Unless the child was present or something. Vert, you told a bunch of other lies and lying implications but it's not worth my time to pick apart each one. You also took the cheap shot of calling me a pedo in so many words. T was right on the money about you.

Also, I never said that kiddie porn should be legal and freely available. You liars who said that, show me where I said it. I never did. I simply said that 20 years for looking at an image is insane.

Torsten brought up a lot of good points but few here are willing to even listen to them let alone make a rational discussion on the issues. I disagree with his statement that looking at a photo is the same as raping a child. Would you rather have your child raped or someone look at a photo of him/her? Give it some thought now, don't just give a knee jerk opinion.

The subject of what to do with pedos is a complex one. Is there any way of rehabilitating them? I don't know that there is but brutalizing anyone does not help no matter what you are trying to do. Many like to rant that death is good for an offender. Does that include looking at pictures? What about computer generated ones? Those are illegal too. What about drawings? No one wants to talk about that. And you may say only for 8 year olds but the laws in many parts of the world apply to 20 year olds or 17 year olds.

I don't have the answers but I know the present system is broken. It creates more problems than it solves.

The original topic was looking at photos. If many countries, maybe not Oz but many, have free methadone and heroin clinics because it reduces harm, why couldn't there be some sort of clinics for pedos who want help? If the netherlands and other places found that giving heroin to addicts lessens crime, perhaps there is something that can be done with pedos that will keep them off the streets? Taking away the porn puts them back on the streets. Is the only other option life in prison or death? I don't know.

No one seems to want to talk about reducing harm. I guess that would make them look soft and the idiots would call them pedos. Mustn't have idiots call you things, nothing worse than that.

[Vertmorpheus]

Christ on a barbed wire unicycle Stone, are you genuinely crook upstairs matie?

Look at post 61. Just look, don't edit. Read carefully. Towards the end there. See it? Tip - use firefox, u can autosearch for text... very handy...

Now, you want to keep it up, or what? Does YOUR alternate personality get up at night and type when youre not watching, or something?

how about "Also, I never said that kiddie porn should be legal"... what do you call the first line, 3rd para, post 31? You sure as hell didn't say "I believe in its continued prohibition" ;) Feel free to split hairs... unless theyre computer gend to have no hair down there, hey stone? Then theres the fact some lil part of you seems to think necrophilia and beast porn are both legal here, or something? Too much time in dark corners of the net I reckon, as someone else said. Some other lying scum just making things up with no basis to support to suspicion at all eh? Ho hum.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but dont use it to say things, work out they make you sound like a kook, and THEN deny ever having said em freely in the first place.If thats your honest belief stone, stick to it. or admit that it was your belief but in hindsight isnt true NOW, or you DID say "that" but hey i dunno, fucked some typing and it came out wrong, or something.

I can handle most forms of crazy, but BULLSHIT ARTISTS really wear me out. Especially amateur ones. Bullshit scrapbookers, perhaps.

Now, got any other things you "didnt say at all?" that are immortalised in text for all to see, Stone? or are you just going to pull your head in an keep your shit for whatever "child love" boards you read it on in the first place? Any " bunch of other lies and lying implications?" youd like dealt with? Hint...maybe run back thru the thread and edit all your closet deviate rubbish out of existance FIRST because its all still there now. Such as "just want to do it yourselves!". Um. Yeah. Ok.

I didn't call you a pedo btw... I said you SOUND Like a pedo, say many things in common n't know squat about me, awith pedos, have some possible potential for pedoism based on that. For the record, I wouldnt leave children alone with you based on what I've read from you here, and I make no apologies for thiking as much. Your expressed opinions and beliefs really bother me. But I never called you a "paedophile", thatd be slander wouldnt it? Libel, or something. If I had any actual "evidence" of such, I wouldnt be bothered typing here, id be typing something quite different to someone else entirely, But i dont, so im not.

I can say you sound like a mango if I like, doesnt mean you ARE one. BUt it might be cause for you to reflect on why I'd say something like that in the first place. Likewise, I'm not here to "fan the flames" (unless theyre flames of freedom from bullshit, pocket tyrants and egophiles) but I can see how someone would get that impression... and if you honestly cant see how your stated attitudes make you sound like you have a fairly vested interest in the field, you need to wake up and take a long, hard, solid look at yourself, or at least what you posted previously. Or at least provide some kind of basis to help us understand where ya comin from... not just "no i never said that u makin it up cos u the pedo! t woz right!". well, actually, T was dead cold wrong, but I just covered that , didn't I... I didn't just call him a liar or deny saying anything I have ever said.

Now, feel free to deny anything else you blatantly said, so I can cut n paste that too...

VM

Edited March 29, 2008 by Vertmorpheus

[tobydoo]

After trying to be gone for awhile because this thread had degenerated so badly. I find myself back. I'm truly sorry that you feel as though I treated Stone like a child Torsten (#95)... Perhaps I should become better at suffering idiots. I find myself back on this thread again due to the once again false, and ludicrous comments by Mr. stonehenge. And once again, I am finding myself at a loss for words, because Vert literally took the words outta my mouth. (should I apologize for that now?).

One thing that I will bring up, trying my hardest to get back on a "meaningful" track is your (Torsten) comment on castration for offenders. they tried chemical castration here in the U.S. for serial rapists (using Depo provera injections) A serious question arose concerning the potential for acting out with violence due to the inability to "consumate" an erection OR an act. In other words castration, be it chemical or physical DOES NOT take away the desire.

[Torsten]

In other words castration, be it chemical or physical DOES NOT take away the desire.

well bummer, now I have even less of a solution. Doesn't change the fact that the current system not only doesn't work, but probably makes things much worse. Maybe the british had the right idea by shipping all offenders off to some island ;)

[Jesus On Peyote]

I dont wanna get too involved in this no more,so this will hopefully be the last post ;/

Maybe instead of the solution, for the truly premeditated proven cases , there should be some kind of pharmaceutical to .. i donno "dumb down" the sexual system? forced upton offenders that are released after their sentence. as for side effects on acting out, i recon get them on 50mg Valium forced daily and im sure some of you guys know different kinds of sedatives. Dope em up .

This post is only half serious,just an unthought out idea that poped into my head while reading the last few posts

[Stonehenge]

Vert, you stirrer of shit. You very carefully took what I said out of context. What I wrote is this

"Jacking off to unacceptable thoughts??? Off with their head. No one wants to talk about harm reduction for fear of looking soft. But, you so called toughies are putting pervs on the streets. You are responsible for a portion of the crimes commited due to your attitude. Better a harmed child than someone jerking off, right tobyskoo?"

You wrote the following quote and attributed it to me

"You are responsible for a portion of the crimes commited due to your attitude. Better a harmed child than someone jerking off"

In the second, carefully misquoted text, you make it look like I'm saying it's better to have a harmed child when I'm actually saying the opposite, as anyone can see.

"I can handle most forms of crazy, but BULLSHIT ARTISTS really wear me out. Especially amateur ones"

Yes, amateur ones like yourself

"Now, got any other things you "didnt say at all?" that are immortalised in text for all to see, Stone?"

You have been caught red handed so shut the hell up.

Too bad we don't have an ignore feature here so we could skip over the tripe without even seeing it. But then liars would get away with a lot of crap like this guy. I am out of this thread but reserve the right to return and put liars, misquoters and shit stirrers in their place.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Stonehenge, i understand what your saying kinda.

But were (or most of us) are not looking at it in a "universal" way.

Were not talking about what ancient mayan or whoever cultures did with their children, or what modern india, africa and middle easteners are doing.

This whole thread was about an Australian police officer. and as we are 90% australian in this forum, where talking about our cultures and laws. (things might be different else where, but we are not elsewhere, where in oz) its not perfect in many areas, but its what we are.

if we wanna argue things based on historie's different cultural standards, then welld be going on forever.

Peace

Edited March 30, 2008 by Jesus On Peyote

[Chugga]

I think more than anything this is an example of how the negative reinforcement system of punishing criminals is fundamentally flawed. Pedophiles have a good idea what will happen if they get caught collecting porn and they still do it and this guy would have known that if he, as a cop, were put in jail for child porn the punishment would be ten times worse as all the guys he busted tried to cut out a hunk of flesh with a spoon they roughed up on the cement floor. Yet still no level of threats of violence make people obey. Perhaps our cultures are handling their problems inappropriately.

No place for devils advocate here my friend. its called supply and demand. If there is no demand there is no supply and kids are not fucked up in the process......

Just my thoughts

[tobydoo]

As I write this post, my wife and I are waiting to here the outcome of yet another court date for an unrepentant pedophile. His charges are - exactly- aggrevated incest. Yes a CONVICTED, DNA proven pedophile. ....still out there unabashedly breaking his parole, no remorse. Our daughter was instrumental in having him convicted when she was 10. She was not the one sexually molested by the monster thank God. But it has changed HER life forever as well. So dear folks we will keep you posted on how well the system works as it stands.....It hasn't been working too well with this guy...Oh by the way, the name is Tom Wood. you can find him on the registered sex offender list in El Paso county Colorado.

We'll let you all know tomorrow. I'm not going to get into the details right now but I'm quite certain that "Painite" will tomorrow. Perhaps we can set this thread back on a meaningful path again.

Edited March 31, 2008 by tobydoo

[tobydoo]

Maybe the british had the right idea by shipping all offenders off to some island ;)

ROFL!!!! Great!

[Jesus On Peyote]

Sorry to hear about what happened with your daughter. keep us posted of the sentence for this PROVEN one, would like to hear what justice means.

[Stonehenge]

"Stonehenge, i understand what your saying kinda.

But were (or most of us) are not looking at it in a "universal" way."

The majority of posters were talking about the subject in general, not just specifically that one case or only cases in Australia.

[Vertmorpheus]

Um, if I quote something out of context and you assume I mean something by it, which I don't, is that my problem or yours? As for "responsible for a portion of " bla bla... I didnt write it...you wrote it... its in your post...unless I have your login deets, how could I have said it?

Things you said made you sound like a nong, a possibly predatorial nong at that. If you can't see how the "average" person would take that view of what you said, maybe don't say anything at all?

Deny all ya like stone, you said it ;) and we alllllll know you did. You just got a shock is all, when you opened your face and then realised noone else really agreed with you and plenty of us took it to mean "you spend far too much time looking at illicit porn".

So then the backpedalling began.

You DID say "we" are "partially responsible". It's in your post. YOUR post. First. Yours. Remember?

On the off chance I look like a bit of a twit, well, bummer man... but it's probly better than sounding like someone with a well stashed removable harddrive ;)

VM

[tobydoo]

Hey, thanks jesus, appreciate that. and just to reiterate, it was NOT actually my daughter that was molested. she was instrumental in his conviction however. And again, It has been life changing for her and believe it or not her mother and me as well. Kind of just a melancholy pall sort of feeling. i will never forget the night she approached us with what she knew. and how scared and subsequently brave she was (in spite of certain assholes accusing her of making things up.....10 year old girls don't make that kind of shit up) we are still waiting for word what happened in the court today. I'm sure that painite will go into detail with you all and again with the hope this thread takes a meaningful turn.

And Vert, you're absolutely correct in that everyone sees stone for what he is, Very confused at the very least but more likely just absolutely fucking insane! seriously Bi-polar at the least given the tone of the posts. And I don't mean that as an exageration. I kind of think of stone as a ghost at this point. Honestly, I was making alot of these posts kind with kind of a joking bent. But having to explain and re-explain then re explain, then put up with outright delusional denials, just kind of put me over the top...ya know, Ref: suffering idiots. And then this thing with my own daughters experience rearing its ugly head again....... I think that Stone ought to simply move on to another thread more suited to him...... Ya know, "how to carbonate your san pedro tea' ...or 'methanol based mushroom tinctures...good or bad'?

Edited April 1, 2008 by tobydoo

[Jesus On Peyote]

Yea toby i understood from the first post. I can only imagine how the whole event would have changed her, kids shouldent have to go though stuff like that.

I dont have a kid, but my brother does, and shes about to turn 10 this month and to think of her having to go though the process your girl did makes me fkn angry and to think if anything did happen directly to her i would go clinically insaine for a few days torturing the fucker, and then let the police do their job, finding his body parts scattered around town. and i consider myself a relatively peaceful man.

[Jesus On Peyote]

And stone, there is a difference between general and historical.

[chilli]

Hey, thanks jesus, appreciate that.

LMAO! This thread is weird, a lot of very irrational jumping to conclusion types of responses from people who don't usually do that... I don't think Stonehenge sounds obviously like a paedo or a mental, I think he a lot of shit just got confused in the middle there somewhere.

I will probably be accused of secretly looking at child pornography or something now, but that's my honest impression.

I'm kind of sick of forums, so many factors that foster misunderstanding and quash communication.

[tobydoo]

if anything did happen directly to her i would go clinically insaine for a few days torturing the fucker, and then let the police do their job, finding his body parts scattered around town. and i consider myself a relatively peaceful man.

Yeah, I remember that night vividly....I had plans actively in motion. Thanks to my wife and a friend I was "talked down." And mind you, that's not even my daughter being the one who was molested. It was simply the fact she was exposed semi- directly to it....ya know, it could've very easily been her ...easily! And I truly believe it was only a matter of time! Then it moved into being mad at a bunch of different people. It just goes round and round and round. Then it pops up again. It never truly ends for anyone and your trust takes a beating. Everyone suffers at the hands of these cocksuckers!!

So I guess I just have a little different point of view when someone says, "well, it was only a "passive" viewing of this material, Ya know, cut the poor guy a break, He wasn't actually physically doing it". I simply say ....FUCK THAT. Execution...no. Hard time in the Super Max prison - general population in Canyon City with the bad boys....yes! Let them see what being a victim is all about for a good long while. And screw the standard bullshit line of,.. "but now I got religion here in prison, I am sooo remorseful, I know I hurt so many people I deserve an early parole" ....BLAH BLAH BLAH PUKE. A Cure? Doubtful. They are saying that there is NO cure. Then what...............................?

[Vertmorpheus]

theres nothing to stir Stone, and no need to misrepresent what you said, as you said it, and the issue I have is with what you said... not what I think you said, or am implying you said, or assume you said... what you DID say. You said you think child porn isnt such a bad thing, and it is. You said it would prevent more abuse, and it wont. You said anyone that thinks those statements is crap, are closet offenders ourselves. and we arent. you said anyone that objects to the material is somehow to blame for the act, and were not. And you seemed to be saying that most ppl are cool with animal and dead ppl sex, why not kids too? Ohhh k then. So, you had an opinion, you stated it, and to some of us it sounds like slightly disturbed crap. Accept it. Theres no misprepresentation going on here... im taking exception to you and what you said. Or did you not say those things at all?

ok, free tip time... IF you dont want to end up with ppl wondering if youre into kiddy porn, MAYBE...just maybe... dont mention that you think its ok and has therapeutic value? Hmm? perhaps? That you think it has a positive role to play in human society, or that you dont care who looks at what? or that you assume the rest of the forum is in fact tolerant of necro and animal porn? Or accept that, if you want to stand up and say " I think child pornography isnt such a bad thing" accept that maybe others wil lthink youre a bit FUCKED IN THE HEAD.

where is the complexity? you can crap on about specifics all you want, the overall tone and message is loud n clear and always has been. you can split hairs all day, fact is you said loud n proud "I dont care who looks at what". Thats a bit fuckin sick, really, and id rather my lil society didnt have ppl like that in it. Pardon me! You also took the step of accusing the rest of us of being closet molestors a LONG time before anyone said the same about him. So boots into me, by all means, but sink a couple into yourself will you? I think it might be therapeutic...

its ok brain, take a breath and smile... yes, I'm in the scary hairy moral majority...what bastards eh?Leaps of logic indeed... its what ppl do though, when they have enough facts to get started but not enough to get a real clear picture... hardly a hanging offense. Noone minds if I leap to the conclusion of someone being a good person, or caring, how is it any different ethically from doing the same with a more "negative" outcome? (hardly my fault either, I didnt put a gun to its head and get it to read the NAMBLA charter out loud...) meanwhile, read the first posts stone made in this debacle, and tell me he doesnt sound to be coming from a deeply dark and antagonistic POV a LONG time before anyone else got the boots into him? Allow me to underline the first round of offensive BS where HE is leaping to conclusions... but its different if you start off sounding crazy isnt it? Or just reprehend those of us more concerned with human welfare than "civil liberties".

If you dont want to end up at the centre of a bullshit happening like we have here, free tip... dont play "devils advocate". or accept that its a process and not just a cool phrase you use to sound hep. Sounds to me like someone has a thing for kiddy porn and hence the personally persecuted tone right from the start, but hey, thats just me making leaps...like I said, few ppl get online and talk about 'the man persecutes da herb!" unless they like a toke ;) They certainly wouldnt say it but then say "oh but u cant assume I like a toke!" or "youre just being mean cos you like it yourselves!".

" So I take it that all you self righteous types are just fine with it as long as no money changes hands? Is that what you are saying? I don't want to get your drivel mixed up. Nasty images are bad because some bad person might be making money off it. Is that your rant? I'm sure I left something out but I keep hearing that over and over again. So if they get it for free, you are fine with it then, correct?

No, that was just an excuse to rant on and make more idiotic accusations against me and against anyone trying to talk sense. You don't care if it's free or if it's produced by a computer with no children involved. Tell the truth, isn't that the case? Of course it is, I know your types. You probably want to do it yourselves, and lash out at innocent people to cover up your desires. "you" referring only to those who deserve that description, not to "you" who are not hypocrites. You know who you are.

And how can you say images of bestiality, necrophilia or gay porn are different? Yes, they are different but many people are emotional over that too. You do realize necrophilia is sex with dead people don't you? I know some of you don't read much. And bestiality is sex with animals. Think of the poor animals being abused. It might be your own pet or a neighbor's or a relative's pet being abused.

Now make up some more garbage to show how rational you are.

Punish the ones making child porn pictures or abusing children but do not lock up for 20 years some dope jerking off to dirty pictures. Give the 20 years to the ones actually doing real abuse. And no, looking at a picture is not "actual" abuse[/u]. And what about computer photos? None of you want to talk about that because it exposes the hypocrisy. You probably want to lock everyone up for jerking off even though it's your own main outlet. "you" not being the good people reading this, only the bad ones.

Yes you!

"

yep.... I really am a bastard to decide he's a bit of a tool, aren't I. I should be championing his cause, looking into his mental issues, trying to heal his soul, weed his garden, or something. taking his side at the drop of a hat cos well, I have a few plants of questionable legality

eh, he may or may not be an offender... but when people take to assuming by default that anyone else is ok with looking at necrophilia or animal sex, when people pop out with classic transference-justification lines like "you all want to do it too".... I start to worry ;) It's ok brain, don't have you picked for the illegal porn type just yet... but maybe try telling me it's my fault kids are being molested or phrase it all in a very inside-looking-out kinda way, with an overall tone of "been there done that"... and I might just have to revise the opinion I once spent months cataloging statements taken from sex offenders in QLD and really, youd turn grey overnight if you saw how many strong and blatant correlations there are between the things they said, and the things Stone came out with. All there except the bleating about biology and the need for adults to "show kids the ropes". I was waiting for the "they like it once they learn how" and "its their fault for teasing me in their slutty outfits" to be honest. That doesnt prove he's any kind of offender, but from where I stand it puts him just a touch more in favour of their cause than I like to see people being. What I found offensive was the "you all do it too!" thing, and the inability to accept that others have a justifiable issue with someone saying, in essence, "I think child pornography should be seen in a more positive light". thats fucked up. word games can stay in their boxes...its just fucked up.

I'm baffled as to how someone could pop out with all that shite and then seem so genuinely surprised when others take some kind of issue... I mean really, whodathunk it... "i dont care what the bloke next door jacks of to and if there was more kiddy porn thered be less kiddy abuse"... what is there to get worked up about in that? really? nothing at all.... makes perfect sense and doesnt in the slightest bit reek of self justification of urges under the guise of "well i shouldnt be lookin at these piccies but its better tha ndoing it for real, right? im not so bad...". Accuse anyone that says they dont approve of the material of being secretly in favour of it... yeah right... how DARE we take exception to that? geeze we're narrow minded little cunts, eh?

Forums work fine for sharing ideas until people take to having an opinion, working out it causes hassles, then try to deny having it in the first place OR have a socially deviant opinion and then try to attach higher motivations to it after the fact to fit in with the crowd. If people can't stand for their own opinions, what are they ever going to stand for?

I'll never apologise for other people being full of warped, misinformed, and poorly thought out shit that sounds like it stems from a dark, dark place indeed. I will certainly never say sorry for them opening the doors to that dark place but then cracking the shits that we got a glimpse inside...

anyways, had enough of this myself...seems the worst thing to be around here is "vaguely normal with family values" and only people other than myself are allowed to "have honest impressions based on the facts available"....many apologies for not assuming a stance of solidarity with a sick sounding fuck who cant accept he sounds sick or is waving the flag beloved by other sickos....on the basis of having a few dodgy cacti and liking a good fuck now n then myself.... what he said is there in black n white for all to see...draw your own conclusions and ask youself... you wanna leave the kids with him for the arvo? or with jono?

VM

Edited April 2, 2008 by Vertmorpheus

[Painite]

Hello all,

I thought I should introduce myself. This is Tobydoo's wife. I finally decided I shouldn't post under his log on any more. I tried to make it clear when I wrote under his name, but I fear I may have caused some confusion. So......... now those who think he has multiple personalities can tell when it is me writing instead of Jeckle and Hide. I do appologize for any inconvenience it may have caused.

I have been keeping up on reading the post, but haven't been inclined to respond yet. I have been waiting to find out about the situation that Tobydoo has telling you about. Unfortunately, no real news yet. They went yesturday morning to find out if there was enough evidence to hold him to the charges. They found there was, but now he goes back to court on 04/24/07 to answer the charges.

I'm sitting here debating on how much I want to explain all that has happened so it makes more sense.....

I guess the best way is to attempt to make a long story as short as possible.

Ok, be patient with me.....Here it goes

3 years ago my daughter (10 years old at the time) was spending the night at her best friends house. Mind you they have known each other since they were babies. My daughter and her friend witnessed my daughters friends dad having sex with his step-daughter. They heard noises and peeked through louvers into the bedroom door.

Needless to say my daughter came home that night and told my husband and I what happened. I want you to know we live in a small town and I have known both the other parents for over 20 years. I was shocked, as you can imagine.

After about 2 hours of talking about the situation, we decided she needed to go to the police and tell them what she saw and heard. The police did an investigation and found enough evidence to convict him. There was DNA evidence and all. This man had started "preping" his step daughter from the time she was 6 years old. He was getting/giving oral sex by the time she was 10. He began having incoarse with her when she turned 12. He didn't get caught until the girl was 16. This girl now has serious emotional issues. This guy had even convinced her that when she turned 18 he was going to divorce her mom and marry her.

Ok, so that is the basics, now for what was to follow. While the police were investigating, someone confronted the guy. He left work immediately and told his wife what the person said and asked her to kick my butt for starting all these lies.......

Well, his wife decided istead she would tell him she was going to talk to me, she left the house and called the police. They brought her in for questioning and then called me to bring my daughter back in a second time to be questioned. I don't know how many of you have 10 year old girls, but that is a very hard thing for them to talk about at all, even worse for them to have to tell a big guy in a uniform.

They arrested him and we were all given permanent restraining orders that stated he wasn't to come within 900 feet of any of us, our homes, or our places of employment.

But get this...... He was convicted and placed in a motel for convicts and allowed to go to work everyday. In order for him to get to his place of employment he was allowed to drive only 1 block from our house.

He was to spend 12 years in this place as long as he followed the conditions of his work release. Now only 6 months after he began doing he time, he lost his job. The ironic thing about that is how he lost his job. He called a woman he worked with a "cunt" because she told him he wasn't supposed to be outside of the building washing his truck. See, he had on an ankle bracelet and the authorities were also supposed to be monitoring were he was at all times. The place he worked also had doors that you need an elctronic id card to get in and out of. There was a loading dock that didn't have one and he figured out he could go outside undetected. My point in explaining this is that we were all reassured that there was no way he could get around the precautions they set up and he couldn't hurt anyone involved.

So even though he lost his job which would have broke his conditions, he was allowed to find another job and continue with the work release program.

In the mean time he was now on such "good" behavior he was recieving time off passes. During these time off passes and was able stay with his parents and go to the store and pretty much what ever he felt like doing.

So after feeling brave he begans asking kids about his now ex-wife (yes, she divorced him) and then he got really brave and decided to call the step-daughter at her job. So now he is facing 2 felony charges for breaking the restraining orders. I can tell you that it was made very clear to him and to all of us by the judge that he wasn't to contact anyone involved directly or through anyone else, and if he did, he was looking at doing 24 years hard time.

He was given a lienient sentence because he had no prior record, but with very strict conditions. He has managed to break the conditions on several occasions and yet still remains out of jail. He is now in a halfway house, working, and living somewhat normal. The only jail time he has done has been less than 10 days as both times he was arrested his parents paid his bail.

I worry every day that he will retaliate against my daughter as he knows she is the one who "busted" him in the act. And I worry how much more he will torture the poor girl he molested. The rest of the family moved out of this town, but who knows what he will do when he finds out where they are living. So as far as the laws here go, I don't have much confidence in them. They don't seem to care that he is asking about them and what he is capable of. All I know is that I have to worry about letting my daughter go outside to play because they keep allowing him the freedom to go where he pleases in this town. I personally would feel much safer if they would keep him off the streets and at the very least let me know when he is allowed to be in this town for his weekend family visits. Atleast then I know when I can let my daughter go to the park and when to keep her by myside.

Sorry this was soooo long, I will try and keep them shorter now, but I thought I should atleast give you the basics.

[Painite]

Ack, Sorry for the double posting

Edited April 2, 2008 by Painite