Looking for a good open-minded doctor

[Monk]

Many good points have been raised and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I'm especially in favor of pacing oneself for the long run like T mentioned.

Regarding this statement, though:

firstly,

Yes yes drugs, but you can't tell me that you don't respect the difference between yin drugs like heroin and ice, and yang drugs like mushrooms, dmt, lsd, and mescaline. There is a fundamental difference and those classes of drugs shouldn't ever be mentioned in the same sentence imo. I don't want/need to get into a discussion about this, just saying my bit.

I think you may be a little confused. Your characterization of 'ice' as yin is way off and I feel that the placement of particular fungi in the yang group is questionable also. These classifications make me think that you are labeling "bad" things as yin and "good" things as yang?! Yin and Yang do not denote "good" and "bad," but merely qualities of things like cold/hot, down/up, earth/sky, solid/vapor etc. That being said, all things possess both yin and yang, but tend to lean one way or the other for each characteristic viewed. So 'ice' would be very yang as it is hot, stimulating, fast and provokes rapid thought and movement. Nearly all mushrooms would be considered yin as they are of the earth/cool/wet places and are generally not stimulating to the body (Cordyceps being an exception and perhaps Ganoderma.) In regards to the mental effects of certain fungi, I suppose they would be a mix of the two properties depending on which aspect you are talking about. Cannabis is generally considered yin for the body, but as you have seen with those anxiety attacks, it can have yang effects on the mind. Do you see what I mean? Sorry for the lecture, but these things are fundamental to my world view and I wanted to straighten this out

Now, regarding the "fundamental differences"...Yes, they are different, but they all have downsides. There is a biological law that says something to the effect of, "If you push a system off it's equilibrium, the system will swing the other direction." How far and for how long you push changes how intense the backswing will be. The most obvious example is in say heroin addiction. When the drug is stopped, everything hurts, life is terrible etc... There is no exception to this rule. Everyone must pay the piper. Take it from those of us that have obviously had to do so, but made it through 'cuz we stopped pushing before it was too late. My sermon is over now

FM

[AndyAmine.]

In my opinion, meth and coke etc take the most from your Jing, your blood life force and that is something that is extreemly hard or impossible to renew... Its something your born with.

I honbetly feel my Jing is seriously depleted.. I oinly wish I listend to myself before it was too late but I was havignt oo much fun.. or was it just ritual or habbit.. I dont know anymore.. One thing I do know is that nit was NOT worth it, its the one major thing I wish I coujld chnage about my life, hell, I can hardly even remeber any of it for fucks sake.,

If you do decide to keep going, invest in a good camera, because thats where most of your memories will lie.

[gerbil]

About two months ago i tried dxm for the first time. I was pretty drunk and also snorted a little md. The night was basically blank (no memory at all) except for a few random scenes. The next night i took 2ce and smoked a few joints. One joint too many (which was never previously an issue) and i had a panic attack, the first ever. I thought i was literally going to die and ended up in the hospital, a pretty fucked experience if i may say so.

Believe me, everything you've all said has been taken to heart and mind, and it seems i have some thinking to do

If the outcome is that i do back off for a while (i can't say it'll happen, but you should know for me (and most likely you too) self preservation is number one, ALWAYS. I am a stubborn person and likely won't make the break until i am aware that it is what is necessary.. but if that's where this is going then it'll be done)

I've a lot to say but won't 'cause it'll offend many people even though I believe it's what is needed.

One thing I do want to say is that your actions do not only have consequences for yourself, but also ripple out phenomenally to others in society nationally and globally. Acting irresponsibly (which yes is exactly what comes across in your "'drug' taking" that we apparently have no idea of the approach) further causes complications for anti-substance society meeting people half way on these issues. I wonder if you realise how counter productive it is ending up in hospital and thinking you are in control, apparently so in tune with psychedelics, and then willing to do it all again.

I find it laughable that you think self preservation is number one ALWAYS but will only change your ways (potentially) when the bull has it's horn firmly implanted into your flesh.

Harsh? maybe; will I cop an angry response for this? maybe. I still think you need to grow up and as already said be mature and take responsibility, and not simply when things go wrong and you remorse. What a waste of good acacia.

[chilli]

No, why? I have yet to find a competent one. I am a bit puzzled what they do for 6 years at Uni/intern. It wouldn't be so bad if they at least realsied when they are out of their depth and passed people onto specialists, but no, most think they can handle it.

Thanks for the answers. I was actually saying the thing about GP's lightheartedly, because I am married to one, and she is actually nothing like the stereotypes that seem to prevail here. Your generalization may have some truth to it, but only in the sense that most GP's are probably are just as arrogant/ignorant/tired as any other human being. Still, I know a few who are excellent at what they do and very popular with their patients as a result, and a few I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw... it sounds like some people have quite unrealistic expectations about what a General Practitioner should be like.

Besides, everybody else knows more about medicine and the human body than doctors, so I'm not sure why people even bother going to them when they can self diagnose from the Internet.

[nabraxas]

Besides, everybody else knows more about medicine and the human body than doctors, so I'm not sure why people even bother going to them when they can self diagnose from the Internet.

i may be able to diagnose a chest infection & know that grindelia camporum would be a good natural medicine, but only a doctor can actually prescribe the roxithromycin that i'd want. Plus a second opinion never hurts

[Amulte]

Ive been thinking about this a bit lately, it has encouraged me into getting onto researching the glutamate receptors and related areas. after going over the thread again i have another question...

was the 1st time the symptoms were experienced after the night you ingested DXM with MDxx? the night with the blank/black spots? had the symptoms ever been present before? and have they been re occuring since that night?

after looking deeper into glutamate and the families of receptors involved, i think glutamate could be greatly involved, esspecially due to its effect over the brains other receptor sites. im begining to think the NMDA receptor sites specifically may be the cause, atleast thats my new hypothesis. phenethlamines and things suck as Nos, Ketamine, ibogaine and DXM are antagonists for the NMDA receptor sites, so an agonist may recify the problem....

but i am still very new to the gulatmate and gaba receptors, lots of teadious reading and cross checking due to their effect over the other receptor sites. still, a most interesting area of research...love learning more about that brain.

[Amulte]

mmm i cannot help but think it was that combination the wired your brain to how it currently is.

NDMA antagonist & 5-HT2a agonist combo

its quite a long read, so ill cut to the chase, it mainly states that it should be approached in a minimalistic method and not to excess. going overboard as it sounds you have, could most certainly have long term/potentially irreversible undesirable effects. high doses lead to neuro toxicity, which i theorise is whats happening to you in a snow ball effect through the constant drug abuse.

if you ever experience a black spot in memory it can be an indication of minor brain damage, dosing anything the next night would risk further damage without giving the brain time to heal/re-wire itself.

Also maoi's and NDMA antagonists are not a safe or good combination. taking a NDMA within days of an MAOI could have negative effects, the longer the use of the MAOI the more time it spend in the system. a clean up period of 7 - 48 days is recomended between doses, time variable on usage. it sounds as if you have truely over done it and near beyond repair.

DID you allow clean periods between you dosing substances? or have i miss read most of your post?

i think this is a prime example of "know you mind, know your body and know your drug". im begining to understand why most of the substances are illegal in the 1st place. i think this is a good lesson for anyone considering charging into abuse of substances wrecklessly without any background knowledge of the substances action let alone its interaction and contradictions with other substances.

Coschi if i were you, id dextox my system totally, eat right, take vitamins and mineral suppliments if needed. seriously, before its too late. avoid everything and go with the gaba if anything. sounds like you have cooked more than one family of receptor sites, i cannot see any harm in using gaba in correct dosage as it has an effect in maintaining most of the other familys of receptor sites, all the GCPR's it appears.

Edited November 4, 2007 by Amulte

[ajna]

"was the 1st time the symptoms were experienced after the night you ingested DXM with MDxx?"

for what it's worth i can vouch for this combo as being potentially destructive. a group of 3 ingested DXM one night, 2 of the three had consumed mdma on the previous night. these 2 woke the next morning to find the DXM trip still in full swing and effects enhanced greatly from a small toke. the effects slowly went away but both were still feeling waves of the trip (and feeling very insane) 3 days afterwards, the mdma was the only conclusion we could come to. both of these people feel they are still hypersensitive to dxm and experience some similar effects even from medicinal doses.

i wont add my bit in to the discussion otherwise, i'm sure what needs to be said has been!

[chilli]

Torsten,

I am a bit puzzled what they do for 6 years at Uni/intern.

I was just chatting to the old lady, and she reckons that the 6 years of initial study only covers a tiny fraction of the body of knowledge of their field. Apparently, the first three years are focussed mainly on the healthy system of the human body, and the final three years focus more on disease. This is intended to build a good general knowledge of the human body, so that when they see combinations of certain symptoms etc, they will relate it to the correct problem.

I used to wonder the same thing early on in our marriage, because I would ask some very specific question about nutrition or brain chemistry or illicit drugs, but gradually have realized how unreasonable it is to expect a GP to know this stuff, as they are trained to deal with common complaints and refer to specialists for the trickier stuff. She said it is funny when people come in who have been studying an obscure or very specific problem on the internet for weeks, months or years, then they come in and expect her to know as much or more about it than they do.

She also said very few GP's would be reticent to refer to a specialist, and the only reason she could think of not to is when the person seems to be a hypochondriac.

[Torsten]

My criticism isn't so much about the fact that GPs can't diagnose many things correctly or efficiently. I understand they have a huge amount of material to learn to cover all general conditions. What peeves me is when they quite obviously only have a rudimentary understanding of a particular system, but still think they have it right. Like one GP tried to tell me that tryptophol and tryptophan were the same thing and he can only give me a script for tryptophol, but not tryptophan. FFS, someone like that should not hold a medical license.

Or the statement that 'and egg contains more tryptophan than you need in a day, so just eat an egg a day and you won't need tryptophan tablets [different GP].

Or the fact I was diagnosed with IBS even though no confirmatory tests were done [not even to exclude colitis etc] and as it seems it was 'merely' a gluten and casein allergy.

Or the GP who took a swab from my outer ear infection, got the results back as being a fungal infection and prescribed me 3 courses of antibiotic drops in a row [rather than antifungal or metho]. He refused to send me to a specialist - had to change docs to get a referral.

And these are just some of the jokers I've had myself. I have literally dozens of scary stories like that from people who were treated wrong by their GP. Like my dad, who's doctor told him he can eat as much chocolate as he likes cos chocolate does not contain any stimulants [he then spent a week in intensive coronary care as a result of eating half a block one night].

When I have a rash, a lump, or an infection I still go and see a doc, but when it comes to things like neurochem and nutrition I would only get aggravated if I have to talk to them so i don't bother.

[coin]

on the topic of tryptophan, when i brought this up years ago, my GP told me that he couldn't find any mention of it on his computer, but he could find l-lysine and that as an amino acid, it is also a serotonin precursor and I could probably buy it in a health food store. good to know

[chilli]

My criticism isn't so much about the fact that GPs can't diagnose many things correctly or efficiently. I understand they have a huge amount of material to learn to cover all general conditions. What peeves me is when they quite obviously only have a rudimentary understanding of a particular system, but still think they have it right. Like one GP tried to tell me that tryptophol and tryptophan were the same thing and he can only give me a script for tryptophol, but not tryptophan. FFS, someone like that should not hold a medical license.

Or the statement that 'and egg contains more tryptophan than you need in a day, so just eat an egg a day and you won't need tryptophan tablets [different GP].

Or the fact I was diagnosed with IBS even though no confirmatory tests were done [not even to exclude colitis etc] and as it seems it was 'merely' a gluten and casein allergy.

Or the GP who took a swab from my outer ear infection, got the results back as being a fungal infection and prescribed me 3 courses of antibiotic drops in a row [rather than antifungal or metho]. He refused to send me to a specialist - had to change docs to get a referral.

And these are just some of the jokers I've had myself. I have literally dozens of scary stories like that from people who were treated wrong by their GP. Like my dad, who's doctor told him he can eat as much chocolate as he likes cos chocolate does not contain any stimulants [he then spent a week in intensive coronary care as a result of eating half a block one night].

When I have a rash, a lump, or an infection I still go and see a doc, but when it comes to things like neurochem and nutrition I would only get aggravated if I have to talk to them so i don't bother.

[WARNING: Contains Adult Humor]

Wow, you sound like a GP's nightmare

[/humor pauses]

Seriously though, people who behave like that are no doubt dicks.

In fact your stories sound like GP versions of my experience with psychiatrists... some people think they know what's better for you than you, and do not listen but only want to share what they 'know.'

Still, your experience is hardly representative of an entire profession, after all it might just be you are unlucky, or you are selecting from a bad sample.

Or maybe! The common denominator is not GP's but you. Maybe you are insane, and none of those things happened, it is all in your mind and the whole world is just a big David Lynch film... that would prove my point, wouldn't it?!

[Torsten]

IB, all of my family and most of my friends have horror stories like that. Most of the time it is just incompetence that goes unnoticed cos the patient doesn't know any better.

coin, I am having trouble determining if you are serious or sarcastic. I see no way that lysine could make serotonin

[chilli]

IB, all of my family and most of my friends have horror stories like that. Most of the time it is just incompetence that goes unnoticed cos the patient doesn't know any better.

All your family and friends could also be similarly insane, or products of your mind. I win.

coin, I am having trouble determining if you are serious or sarcastic. I see no way that lysine could make serotonin

I just assumed he was being sarcastic, oh please say he was?

[Ace]

Very sad to hear how your story has panned out, Coschi. Like it has been mentioned many, many times already - get off the chems (the 'naturals' all consist of chems and are included under that umbrella IMO) and detox before things become irreversable. Since a bad panic attack almost 12 months back (with occasional mild recurrances, slowly fading, luckily), I can see why these things are and should be illegal. People in our society are far too immature to respect these chemicals for what they are. Or it could be that they are just downright dangerous (especially in combos).

I never even got too far into the whole scene before realising that it was a very dangerous road to take with little reward at the end. I feel that my decision to pull away from my experimentation was the best thing I could have done, and I would recommend it to others that are interested in the crazy world that is psychedic. While it has been said many times that there can be some fantastic benefits of taking psychs, I am yet to really see what they are (I know there will be a bit of fireback [for want of a better word] on this new attitude of mine, but really, if there is a reward that outweighs the risk of complete or even mild mental retardation and a possible lifetime sentence to a psych ward, I'd like to know what it is...). Sorry folks, but it can be seen in this very thread that things are very dangerous if you choose to abuse. I know that if things are taken in moderation, they may be used recreationally or in a self medicating setting, but I dont think that many people are able to do things quite this way (although I know there are a few experienced physchonauts here that are able to do things sensibly - I congratulate you sincerely for your self control and obvious common sense). Sorry for that little rant.

You say that you are keen to do whatever it takes to get back on track, but you know as well as the rest of us that it is due to complete overloading of understudied substances on your body and brain that is leading to your mental (and quite possibly, physical) demise, yet you are still determined to leave detoxing as the last resort. Do you realise just how illogical that sounds? Sorry to get preachy on your arse (I still luv ya mate! ), but you know people have been saying for a loooong time that if you keep up with the intense dosages and combos that things will fuck out. Suprise, suprise - things have fucked out.

You asked what else is there to do with your spare time. Are you fucking kidding mate? This could be where you went wrong - you live to alter your body and brain. Learn to live without these things - they dont benefit your life at all (IMHO). I think (this is purely my thoughts) that you are stuck in a delusional state thinking that psychs are benefiting your life to the extent that you need them in huge, mind-shattering doses. Get yourself cleaned up (I know it is incredibly hard to break out of a lifestyle that you have been living for several years - but trust me, its worth the fight) and realise just how great life can be without such damaging pactices. Get a new hobby - gardening, fitness, playing a sport, studying an interest (such as science or spirituality, etc), rebuilding a car (what I am currently doing - no experience neccessary, teach yourself if you have to ), etc, etc. Perhaps focus more on your career (not the most exciting thing, I know). You will find things to do once you realise just how much else there is TO do

You also mentioned that a shaman may be able to help you. Once again, it sounds like you are in a delusional state thinking that psychs are the answer to help fix your prob. I can assure you - they arent. A healthy lifestyle with good nutrition, plenty of exercise, lots of vits/mins and plenty of brain stimulating activities (not involving drugs - more things like puzzles, cross words, mathematics, languages, etc) are what you need to repair the damage that has [probably] already occurred. Once you get yourself and your life back on track, then you may wish to occasionally dabble in some recreational/spiritual use. But I seriously wouldnt even consider it until then.

I really hate coming across this harsh mate, but I have said from day 1 that things need to be taken slowly and in moderation, otherwise your intense lifestyle will crumble and leave you in ruins... Remember that the brain is incredibly fragile and you only have one. Dont fuck it up. I dont want to hear about you winding up in a mental health instution under constant supervision because you have become completely dilusional and are certain that everyone is trying to kill you... You are a very curious and interesting bloke, one that I have been great (but only from a vast distance ) mates with for some time (though it has been a while since we last had a good yarn! ). Just seeing this thread made my old ticker skip a beat - I knew the day would come, just wish it wouldnt be so soon. Please mate - get your things back together before its too late

-Ace

[mark80]

From what I understand that the medicial problem ( I mean course) is designed to pack 2000 years worth of knowledge in about 4 years. The first three years are all based on normal physiology and the 4th and 5th year are based on disease processes. However you spend at least half your time in a hospital for the 4th and 5th year and all your time in a hospital in 6th year (as the final exam is in 5th year).

Gp’s are only human. They need to know a lot and can’t really help with nitty gritty details. A lot of them also carry a lot of arrogance. This is what happens when you get the smartest kids out of high school (who are the most competitive and most of the time were on top everybody) train them with notion of being abetter than everyone else (which they do) and finally give them the prestige of being a “doctor”. there is a certain amount of pride associated with being a doctor and that when they say they don’t know something they are in fact hurting pride (which in the medical profession is really unacceptable).

Like physiotherapists know more about the musculoskeletal system than doctors yet the patient needs to be referred to a doctor to get certain musculoskeletal drugs. But hey when they make 300k a year its great that they have autonomy to prescribe drugs for shit they have no idea about.

[Coschi]

thanks ace not too harsh, probably just more of what i need to hear

yep i know... yep, i know

was the 1st time the symptoms were experienced after the night you ingested DXM with MDxx? the night with the blank/black spots? had the symptoms ever been present before? and have they been re occuring since that night?

yes to all of those

thanks very very much for looking into this as much as you have

[Amulte]

thanks very very much for looking into this as much as you have

Its not a problem, i spend most of my time researching into the brain and its functions at various sites and such in order to know my mind and body better, im happy to as it does encourage me to extend my research. one day ill have mapped my brain and its various sensitivities. but anyway

you have confused me with a self contradiction...

was the 1st time the symptoms were experienced after the night you ingested DXM with MDxx? the night with the blank/black spots? had the symptoms ever been present before? and have they been re occuring since that night?

yes to all of those

 

so your saying yes that was the 1st time you experienced those symptoms? and yes they were present before?

also have you started taking better care of yourself? heres hoping so.

[Coschi]

was the 1st time the symptoms were experienced after the night you ingested DXM with MDxx? the night with the blank/black spots? had the symptoms ever been present before? and have they been re occuring since that night?

lol sorry, i mean

yes the first time i experienced the symptoms were the night after the dxm mdma combo (yep the night that was blank - btw, at one point in the night my friend noticed i was having some kind of fit, i spilt a full beer all over myself (not like me at all) and my foot kept banging the floor, he said it looked like i was trying to get up and that i looked completely vacant). I've never had any symptoms even close to this. and since then (2 months ago) they have happened another four times

the second time i had it, it was right after i smoked a joint, since then i haven't touched dope but still took acid. Even on a very very high dose i had no problem at all so i thought it was ok, only recently did i have it at the tail end of an acid trip, and then about half way through an oral dmt trip but these were only very mild attacks.

i haven't had any tryptamines since the dmt night about a week and a bit ago but i have taken extacy on two occassions. I was surprised to find absolutely no signs of attack whatsoever

By the way, when i said 'any ideas of what to do with my time?' i didn't mean i'm lost for ideas, i have a lot of stuff going on to keep me busy, what i meant was in the way of psych exploration, like some kind of meditation or something along those lines

[Ace]

By the way, when i said 'any ideas of what to do with my time?' i didn't mean i'm lost for ideas, i have a lot of stuff going on to keep me busy, what i meant was in the way of psych exploration, like some kind of meditation or something along those lines

Sorry mate, mis-read you Meditation would definately be a good way to keep up the inner searching - as would general study into age old practices. Perhaps look into Buddism or something? As for drug induced altered states, like I said, that isnt my cup of tea, but that doesnt stop me from researching and reading. I still find their effects fascinating and I am always on the look out for books and articles about natural and synthetic drugs effecting consciousness.

Perhaps you might want to stick to reading up on these things instead of putting them into practice? At least that way you will give your body some time to recover, your mind will be constantly running and absorbing info (just as it is during an experience), while learning some fascinating stuff at the same time. Plus, you wouldnt be breaking any laws

Amulte - I am quite gob-smacked with your knowledge on the brain and its processes! I am curious, are these just things that you have studied from your own interests, or were they more work/school related? Either way, it is good to see someone so interested in such a complicated field

[Amulte]

thought so ;) thanks for the clarification, makes researching a bit easier.

in reguards to extacy, even tho it doesnt provoke the symptoms/attacks, it would still be best to not take it. it certainly wont really be helping with the current condition/symptoms on a long term basis and could make potential long term repocussions more dangerous.

The first symptom to develop is usually muscular rigidity/increased muscular activity, followed by high fever and changes in cognitive functions. Other symptoms can vary, but may be unstable blood pressure, anxiety, confusion, delirium, muscle tremors, hypertension and cognitive imparment. Once symptoms do appear, they rapidly progress and can reach peak intensity in as little as three days. These symptoms can last anywhere from eight hours to forty days.

does that sound like what you experienced? i hope not, its good to talk to people you were with to find out what your condition was during those black spots.

you should really try meditation, through practice one can achieve higher states, spiritual experiences or even produce recreational bio chems. learn endepth meditation instead of the substance abuse. youll find that substances are nothing compared to the powers of the human mind once they are controlable. for example theres natural opioid, stimulants and hallucnigens that the brain can produce without additional substances, try meditation.

[Amulte]

Amulte - I am quite gob-smacked with your knowledge on the brain and its processes! I am curious, are these just things that you have studied from your own interests, or were they more work/school related? Either way, it is good to see someone so interested in such a complicated field

lol well thank you kindly. i choose to take that as a compliment :D but yes is out of own self driven interest in conjunction with a very basic medical, biology and chemistry training. since the 3rd grade ive had brain troubles, bit of an odd ball, due to undiagnosed PTSD, years later i was diagnosed with PTSD as well as bipolar and BPD. i was told id spend most of my life in and out of mental health clinics and due for long term medication. i followed along for a while, picking up bits and pieces of info as i moved from one failed treatment to the next making the condition worse with their advice untill about 10 years ago. I discovered they had no idea what they were doing in reguards to my particular bio chemistry and the medication/treaments, so i took the treatment and research into my own hands. After years of resreach and some study i now have found Gp's and psychiatrists often follow my own advice as most decide i know more about my condition than they do and agree with my suggestions, they perscribe whatever is needed on my request as they know i research these things and avoid abuse/addiction/habituation at all costs.

in the course of time that has past myself and others have seen remarkable improvements, and often forget about the past diagnosis as its barely present anymore. now it just takes a little maintainence and im 'normal' LOL.

but my knowledge, tho it may appear endepth, it is still very limited atm, ive much more to research and study. but yes, LOL talk about dribble theres a short piece of my life story LMAO

Edited November 5, 2007 by Amulte

[coin]

i promise i was not being sarcastic ... wasn't meaning to chip in with an anti-GP story, but your mentioning of tryptophan made me think of this particular incident. he said that serotonin is made from amino acids, and lysine being an amino acid would have the same effect. he seemed to have no idea about what an SSRI is or does....he wanted to prescribe me something - forget what it was now..but i'd always had bad side-effects from SSRI's

so then I hit him with "oh - another thing - I was masturbating the other day and when I ejaculated, there was blood in my semen" .. he was taken aback for about 5 seconds, then he said "sometimes young men are rough with themselves -- so don't worry about it, but come back if you notice this again" (he seemed late 30's, not some old-school 60-something year old doc)

it was a true story, but I'd not noticed it again since then & wasn't worried about it...just thought I'd see what he said.... so I wasn't just fucking with him, but it did have that effect for a few seconds. (later a friend said I was lame for admitting it was through masturbating, and I should've said I was screwing some chick... but I like it better my way)

anyway, sorry for the anecdote

also - can I just say -- I respect a lot of GP's they have a specific knowledge and skill set, and also need to have a particular kind of empathy to be good at what they do -- it is a hard thing to do.... but depression & anxiety is supposedly amongst the top ten complaints that people present to their GP -- so excuse me if I have some expectations that they should be a lot more well-informed regarding such concerns

Edited November 5, 2007 by coin

[Coschi]

The first symptom to develop is usually muscular rigidity/increased muscular activity, followed by high fever and changes in cognitive functions. Other symptoms can vary, but may be unstable blood pressure, anxiety, confusion, delirium, muscle tremors, hypertension and cognitive imparment. Once symptoms do appear, they rapidly progress and can reach peak intensity in as little as three days. These symptoms can last anywhere from eight hours to forty days.

does that sound like what you experienced?

Not really thankfully, some of the symptoms are there (muscular rigidity, unstable blood pressure, anxiety, muscle tremors, cognitive impairment). What did sound more like my experience was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack#Symptoms with the exception of the length, i've never heard of a 6 hour panic attack (although i'm sure they exist, well.. yep)

a friend is getting into a certain kind of chinese meditation meant to lead to a higher spiritual self, allowing for real-world manipulation such as telekinesis and telepathy.. sounds interesting! it's called zhuan falun

[mu!]

so then I hit him with "oh - another thing - I was masturbating the other day and when I ejaculated, there was blood in my semen"

Yeah that shit is weird eh. Had it happen a couple of times within a short timespan. None since then. Dunno wtf the go was.