NEWS:Sexual stimulants to be banned in prisons

[Conan Troutman]

Hasn't there just been just SO much laughable drug related news recently

Sexual stimulants to be banned in prisons

May 29, 2007 04:57pm

Article from: AAP

JAIL inmates in South Australia will be barred from obtaining medication for erectile dysfunction under a state government crackdown.

Correctional Services Minister Carmel Zollo today said she would introduce legislation in parliament this week to stop unauthorised transactions between prisoners and staff.

The action comes after one of South Australia's most notorious sex killers, Bevan Spencer von Einem, was found last year to be selling artwork to other inmates and prison officers in Adelaide's maximum security Yatala prison.

Von Einem, who is serving life in jail for the 1983 rape and murder of 15-year-old Richard Kelvin, reportedly was also provided with home-cooked meals and had been prescribed a drug for erectile dysfunction by a prison doctor.

Under the legislation, prison staff face a fine of up to $10,000 or two years imprisonment for entering into an unauthorised transaction with prisoners.

Prisoners will also be barred from accessing money anonymously deposited into trust accounts and prevented from profiting from their artwork while in prison.

People found supplying sexual stimulant medication, such as Cialis and Viagra, to inmates face fines of up to to $2500.

Ms Zollo said the amendments were intended to crack down on reprehensible and unacceptable behaviour and punish future perpetrators.

"The changes address the legislative deficiencies identified by the von Einem investigation," Ms Zollo said.

"I don't want to see prisoners profiting from their notoriety.

"I think it is particularly insulting to the victims of crime."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21815034-2,00.html

[AndyAmine.]

Why would a guy need Viagra in a mens only prison where sexual contact is illegal/pohibited, for masterbation?

[Auxin]

yes we all know the thought of violating the law is utterly repugnant to those in prison

[Auntyjack]

"Ms Zollo said the amendments were intended to crack down on reprehensible and unacceptable behaviour and punish future perpetrators...."

...now there’s a place to control contraband....PRISON

Muahahahh haha haha

Next they will be introducing penalties for passing street drugs to prisoners...sheesh everyone knows its the best place to get smack and a little bumfun ...ermm I mean reprehensible and unacceptable behavior.

I think Ms Zollo should meet Mr Zoloft.

I wonder how much money it took to come up with state government pile of porridge? and its still got to go through the cost of legislation!!!

AJ

[simon_marklar]

Why would a guy need Viagra in a mens only prison where sexual contact is illegal/pohibited, for masterbation?

just how would you talk to the doc about this??

"i was about to rape this young inmate, but he was too fast. i had his pants down but he came to because, well, im no longer young and my punch doesnt pack that much heat anymore. See if i had a hard-on FIRST, then knocked him out, it would be over and done with before he awoke and everyone wins. thats why i need some viagra doc."

[Torsten]

is it actually illegal to have consensual sex in prison? just hypothetically - not that most of it would be consensual

[Maturin]

As stated in the article, this was mostly due to (sick mf) Von Einem getting prescribed Viagra. The public was understandably annoyed that such a notorious a sex offender was allowed access to this drug.

In the accompanying articles in The Advertiser, I'm pretty sure that it did mention that sex is illegal in prison (consensual or otherwise).

[Vertmorpheus]

A lil known fact is that a decent whack (NPI!) of sexual assault specialists are either limp as a rotten banana, or can't actually...yknow... finish the job. The above remarks about by the time I knocked him out bla bla, are more or less bang on the money.

But yeah, keep the viagra out... as long as they can get the more or less mandatory fast n slow, mobile phones, .22 penguns (no, not 22 penguins...how would you fit that many penguins under your scrote, cmon now), knives, makeup and whatnot, thats all that matters.

Prison is a bad place, all jokes aside. It does things to people that makes standing them against a wall seem almost like the civilised option. Everyone, inmates, families of inmates, staff, those that have to live in the wider community with "graduates" of 10 year sentences parolled after 4. Especially kids of people inside, they do the time too but without benefit of getting written off on whatever.

stay safe eh?

GD

[Awaken]

Hi Torsten,

Consensual sex is allowed in Prisons...........Condoms are supplied and in some Prisons there are vending machines.......However rape is rape no matter where it is. If a prisoner rapes another prisoner then he will face the court process and be charged just as if it happened in society.

Cheers

Awaken

[SaBReT00tH]

Yeah I can't decide what's worse, Von Einem profiteering through selling artwork to corrupt security guards or a life-sentenced sex offender being prescribed Viagra. From the grapevines/rumours I've heard Von Einem was living it up and getting preferential treatment (as well as the choice of raping whichever male (fresh meat) he wanted). I believe he was a scapegoat (and there is lots of evidence) for a seriously corrupt network of elite pedophiles/killers in South Australia. These included high ranking judges, parliamentarians, and members of the police force also, 95% of still who have no been caught and convicted for their horrendous crimes to this day. These were the people responsible for the sexual torture/murder of Ricahrd Kelvin (the channel nine newsreaders son). Von Einem was caught and convicted for alllll these crimes and made out to be the leader, so the investigations into all of these happenings could be closed and those responsible would not be caught.

Edited May 31, 2007 by SaBReT00tH

[Vertmorpheus]

I spent a week or two at my sci traineeship at the brissie forensic centre making up the SAIK bags... yknow those kits belovedo n CSI, all the tubes n swabs and tiny combs? Icky. Anyway, they come in male and female versions, made half n half, and both got used at about the same rate mailout wise... but 9/10ths of the male ones were going to prisons, the rest to noted "crazy person" areas deep in housing dept. territory etc.Tells ya something.

people can be foul sometimes.

GD

[Auntyjack]

its the third point that blows my goat and boils my potatass.

rooting and artwork aside,

what about the fact that our government authorities need to spend unknown wads of our money (not to mention tieing up the resources that could be better used elsewhere) on a ridiculous report/investigation to vessel legislation on something that is basically COMMON FUCKING SENSE.

I thought originally laws were based around a the response of a 'Reasonable Man' and the flexibility in applying them was the judges role?. But now we hand the bloody things out like lollies in a kindergarden trying to cover all possible angles.

This country has gone friggin nuts on making laws...they read more like tax and insurance documents then something meant to protect the community.

Don't you think it would be better to address these issues above in the guidlines regarding prison management? I'm sure prisons just don't pop up out of nowhere. surely they would have to go through some annual review process during operation and before we start stuffin them full of people? The prisons that are already operating would reflect recommendations made to them WHEN issues are brought to light?

technicalities of my post aside, I think you understand where I am coming from.

AJ

[Maturin]

Consensual sex is allowed in Prisons...........Condoms are supplied and in some Prisons there are vending machines.

I could be wrong, but...

I'm sure I read some years back about this push to have condoms in jail, and there was some opposition to it - because sex was illegal in prison. The prevailing idea was that, yes it was illegal, but it would help stop the spread of HIV and other STD's. Kind of like needle exchange programs.

At least that's what I remember, but I have no sources to back me up.

[shruman]

I realy dont understand the problem some people are having about people who suffer a medical condition beig prescibed medication for their condition.

They may b criminals but their still people & deserve acces to medication.

What other medications should we b disallowing so the tax payer can save a buck?

[Μορφέας]

I realy dont understand the problem some people are having about people who suffer a medical condition beig prescibed medication for their condition.

oh come off it shruman, put your statment into context for christs sake

[shruman]

UMMM I thoughyt I did if u bothered to read past the first sentence u would have read;

"They may b criminals but their still people & deserve acces to medication."

& thats not for christs sake, I dont believe in him so he is completely irrelevant to me.

[Maturin]

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Edited June 3, 2007 by Maturin

[Anodyne]

I realy dont understand the problem some people are having about people who suffer a medical condition beig prescibed medication for their condition.

They may b criminals but their still people & deserve acces to medication.

This legislation specifies "sexual stimulants" - these prisoners will not die without them. I think in this context "medication" is pushing the term a little - I reckon most of them would be using for recreation...

Edited June 1, 2007 by Anodyne

[shruman]

"This legislation specifies "sexual stimulants" - these prisoners will not die without them. I think in this context "medication" is pushing the term a little - I reckon most of them would be using for recreation... "

The general public wont die without them either & who's to say wether they are using them for rec purposes or not or the general public for that matter.

I cant comprehend why a class system of who is allowed access to "medications" (u know those medicines u have to see a doctor & have them write a script for generaly for a medical condition) & who is not purely based on having commited a crime or under the guise of economics is a good thing.

& there are plenty of non life threatening conditions people suffer from & recieve medications for should they b banned for crimnials too?

"Errr, maybe some of us have a problem with a sick mother fucker who raped and killed people, and amongst other things, inserted long neck beer bottles into his victims ass - and then smashed it whilst still inserted - allowing the poor victim to die a slow horrible pain-filled death."

Errr, maybe I do too, I dont remember condoning his actions? , but I dont think his actions should b justification of wether he or anyone should b given medication or not.

"Okay, I've calmed down now. I will leave what I had previously written here (in order to be truthful), but will apologise for my abuse. Sorry Shruman, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some topics bring out strong emotions. I personally can't feel sorry for a sadistic killer, others may feel different. Also, grammar and spelling are not the be-all, end-all - that was pretty lame of me. So yeah, once again - sorry for the abuse. I will delete this if asked. Cheers, Maturin."

Apology accepted, everyone is entitled to their opinion & attacking some one with a torrent of abuse & name calling because their opinion differs from ur own without questioning or debating the issue at hand strikes me as the biggest sign of lack of intelligence but as u said u were emotional I wont tar u with that brush & I have to agree with you it was pretty lame.

This topic obviously brings out strong emotions but u shouldnt let ur emotions sway rational thought, may I suggest next time u have strong emotions about an issue reread ur post count to 10 & think is this rational & appropriate.

Yes I would appreciate you delete the dorogatory comments Thank U.

Edited June 2, 2007 by shruman

[Pelinster]

Well said Shruman.

Regarding the whole issue of some people being evil or scum in the eyes of others, I think some people need to take a deep breath and realise that they are actually humans and as easy as it is to be ignorant and just rule these people out as being 'sick fucks' the truth is that they are humans, and they are just like you or I, only a certain set of circumstances in their lives has led them to a point where they can commit these morally reprehensible acts. The ignorance of that fact is what has led to societies continual disability to deal with these people. Branding them as monsters and throwing them into hell (jail) for a set amount of time is definitely not going to help them not act again, and if anything will only lead to more serious offences in their future. These are real people who suffer from a mental illness and the sooner society can learn to understand this the sooner we can move away from media sensationalism and demonisation and more towards a real system that can not only prevent but also treat and maybe even rehabilitate.

I love how the media comes down hard whenever a convicted criminal receives some sort of facility that we would expect to be an every day given. For instance a TV, medication, real food etc.. Isn't it enough that they are taken out of ordinary circulation? Isn't that the point of incarceration. Yet people, well the media tells people that they should be angry and demanding not only are they placed in prisons but also be tortured in sick ways such as sensory deprivation, isolation and generally not having any of the ordinary standards of living that would we would expect even at the most basic level. If these people have release dates, what kind of person is society trying to breed. All of this extra torture only twists their minds further and becomes another stepping stone on the road that has led them to be the way they are. It is a matter of condoning their behaviour in a way by not allowing them any chance at rehabilitation, only pushing them further into their psychosis and feeding their resentment of the system.

Anyway the whole penal system is so primitive it makes me sick and it is all so pointless. By allowing this debunked system to continue functioning, we condone the cycle of criminal behaviour it promotes. You would think in this day and age we would have moved passed this stupid system and more towards a real long term solution to criminal issues.

Oh, and I don't personally condone 'Viagra for inmates', but that statement it's self is a generalisation, and without all the facts, which I am sure we will never have, we can't really past judgement, if we do, we just play into the media's hands.

[stonewolf]

However rape is rape no matter where it is. If a prisoner rapes another prisoner then he will face the court process and be charged just as if it happened in society.

I was under the impression that getting raped was just part of your punishment when you went to jail...

[Vertmorpheus]

No... only if you are pretty like most of us haha... you can still press charges, cops will show up, swabs all round, bla bla.. then next time youre doing a changeover or something you might just get a sharpened toothbrush handle thru the base of your skull. But you always have the right to make a complaint. We are trying to run a civilisation here! ;)