marsha Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) Edited. one inappropriate image removed.. Edited March 22, 2007 by YoWiE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted March 21, 2007 Did someone say nudity? Im a big fan or the burqa! (not it religious meaning) I really like the one in the top right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted March 21, 2007 totally fucking unacceptable and one of the reasons i can't be fucked to continue in this community. if people who actually PARTICIPATE but just rub torsten the wrong way get chastised and SEXIST, RACIST, FUCKING DISGUSTING SHIT like this is allowed, this place is FUCKED. ~dannye in perth. bye now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted March 22, 2007 totally fucking unacceptable and one of the reasons i can't be fucked to continue in this community. if people who actually PARTICIPATE but just rub torsten the wrong way get chastised and SEXIST, RACIST, FUCKING DISGUSTING SHIT like this is allowed, this place is FUCKED. ~dannye in perth. bye now. geez, I thought you left ages ago? I don't approve of this post because I see little point in filling this place with pornography that is already plastered all over every other bit of the internet. But it isn't damaging anyone in particular, so it's not my place to intervene. It's up to the mod to decide if this is appropriate or not. I think it is funny that I am being called upon to intervene in somethign as trivial as this by the people who continually criticised my influence . Hypocrites! As for this being "sexist, racist, fucking disgusting shit", I think you have some serious issues. I really really hate to be defending this thread, because until your silly post I was happy to see this moderated and/or forgotten about. BUT...... Sexist? Maybe. Although there are possibly just as many naked guys on the internet these days as there are women [and I should know ] , so I wonder at what stage the sexism whine wears thin? I personally do not object to pornography. In fact I love it. And I can hardly be sexist if I don't even like naked women. I know that some women get offended by the exploitive nature of female porn, but again, I find that wearing pretty thin when you look at just how many women put stuff on xtube for example. I almost feel that you want this to be sexist so you can propagate your own divisive agenda. Racist? I think you got that the wrong way round. It would be racist if this forum did NOT have ethnic porn on it. After all we've already had white and asian porn, so why not muslim porn? Isn't it your religious indoctrination that is actually the problem here, rather than the actual inclusiveness of the porn posted. So you think it would be less racist to post porn of every other ethnic/religious group as long as it did not include your religion? Isn't that racism? Fucking disgusting shit? Some of my ultra queer friends might say that about these images, or maybe my conservative christian right wing neighbours. But for an open minded community to say the female form is disgusting is kinda worrying. Considering that most of the images don't even show nudity I wonder where your hate and vitriole really come from? Your religion or your own character? So, to sum up, you would want all porn banned from SAB, as obviously we can't be sexist and just have certain types or genders of porn, right? No more black guys with huge dicks either cos that's racist due to their skin colour [pretty silly considering a large percentage of black porn is amateur home porn]. No more Indian porn cos we can't offend the Hindus that might come across it. In fact, no porn at all cos we wouldn't want to offend our righteous, rightwing, christian american friends. So which one is it? Ban it all or allow it all? Where is your spirit of freedom when it comes to something your indoctrination conflicts with? Aren't you just a total hypocrite? I might not like the porn here, but i am open minded enough to just roll my eyes and ignore it. Can you do that? Obviously not. I don't understand why we need these sort of images on this forum. Go to xtube or pornotube if you really need to see that stuff, or rather than embed images here, go and post the links. For me these posts are mostly just interesting in regards to seeing other people's reactions. Porn is one of those topics that still brings out each individual's deepest repressions and indoctrinations. But guys, if you like more girls to be on this forum then maybe have a think about whether these types of posts really help your cause (and girls, remember that most of these threads are posted by guys who are still in their post puberty testosterone rush and cut them some slack. They'll get over it when they are about...... hmmmm, 70) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XipeTotec Posted March 22, 2007 i think it is in the spirit of racism, taking into accouint of the australian populations general muslim/ethnic hating. also, I agree with nil in regards to you Torsten, giving it to people who rub you the wrong way, yet looking past things like this... i didnt read your reply, cause I dont actually care... but this does have racist undertone, no matter how you try to justify it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted March 22, 2007 naked women in veils are NOT 'women of islam' and you don't know shit about my religious affiliations or my 'issues' either. this is fucking sexist, racist, disgusting shit and, once again, proof positive of your inability to handle your own 'rules' in an egalitarian fashion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted March 22, 2007 i think it is in the spirit of racism, taking into accouint of the australian populations general muslim/ethnic hating. Buying into that racism isn't going to help anyone. I haven't bought into it which is why I am not sensitive to it. To me these are pictures of women. I really couldn't give a toss if they are real muslim or fake muslim or any other religion. I think if you let the media racism get to you then you are racist. If you can ignore it then you also can't pander to the hysteria around it. also, I agree with nil in regards to you Torsten, giving it to people who rub you the wrong way, yet looking past things like this. No one rubs me up the wrong way more than you do at the moment, and you are still here, right? Running a forum like this means I have to put up with characters like you whether I like it or not. If it starts impacting on the forums as a whole then I will intervene. There are others who annoy me MUCH less than you do and yet they are much more likely to not be around for long. i didnt read your reply, cause I dont actually care. Hmm, very intelligent. Make a comment without actually knowing what's going on. but this does have racist undertone, no matter how you try to justify it. I am not justifying it. I don't like it, but not for the same reasons. I think it has no place in this forum. But then again, if I deleted everythign I thought had no place here then it would get rather dull. I just don't buy into the whole media hysteria, porn hysteria and the kid glove approach that appears to be the mindless response to it. I find it curious that the same people who whinge about my hands on approach call for a hands off approach and vice versa as it suits them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) I have repeatedly asked Yowie to not do shit like this, if you all must know. Forgive my delay in addressing this. I am whacking Yowie with a warn for this and another warn for ignoring my previous warnings. Regardless of how people feel about the porn this is stupid and shouldn't be here. Stop stirring shit Yowie. EDIT: Well, I will delete it when I am on my own computer. Edited March 22, 2007 by apothecary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted March 22, 2007 naked women in veils are NOT 'women of islam' That may be so, but how do you know these are NOT women of Islam? And why does it matter? I am sure the 'housemaid' and 'nurse' I saw on xtube last night weren't really housemaid and nurse either. or what do you think? and you don't know shit about my religious affiliations or my 'issues' either. I think you are making both very clear. That's the problem with indoctrination - you yourself can't see it when you are doing it. I've been around enough ethnic and minority groups to know when they are overreacting. remember, I am in several minority groups by birth, preference and choice, so I've had to deal with this most of my life (from both sides). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted March 22, 2007 naked women in veils are NOT 'women of islam' and you don't know shit about my religious affiliations or my 'issues' either. this is fucking sexist, racist, disgusting shit and, once again, proof positive of your inability to handle your own 'rules' in an egalitarian fashion. Talk about a storm in a tea cup... how the fuck is it this racist? ...you should have let the thread die quickly, as it was always going to do.. But shit I guess you must have been highly offended by the title have to view it, and with a clear warning!... and as for the general muslim hating in oz...wtf? I love the burqa Peace, Love and Porno for all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted March 22, 2007 I personally dont have anything against this thread - but it would have been much more tasteful if the pics didnt show as much outright nudity. The facial shots are actually stunning. I would be happy to see a thread with pics of these photos, but without the unnecessary nakedness. There are plenty of sites out there for those pics, as has previously been said. I think everyone needs a good old fashioned chill pill to sit down and assess what this thread is about and we might all be able to see that this isnt in fact even slightly racist, in fact it show a clear liking for a perticular race/religion, so how exactly did you get to that point?? I think it was rather nice of Yowie, love him or not, to state that this thread in fact had such material in it, so that this sort of crap could be AVOIDED. Now, lets all get the hell over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amulte Posted March 22, 2007 at 1st i didnt understand the racism comment, but the more i think about it maybe its pertaining to the burka being used against what its design was for? im fair uneducated in the burka matter so this is just a guess in effort to achieve understanding. there is a difference between porn and nudity. and in reguards to forum regulations yeah the nude one should be up DIRECTLY on this site, tho a link to that one would have suited more. as for the other 3 i see no issue, see them as quite respectful photography and am glad they were posted. i think people need to know, yowie is not racist nor was his intent to cause discord. hes just sharing his fetish but i am curious about where the racism accusation stems from? only in effort to gain a better understandingon the sensetivity of others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XipeTotec Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) i think it is in the spirit of racism, taking into accouint of the australian populations general muslim/ethnic hating.Buying into that racism isn't going to help anyone. I haven't bought into it which is why I am not sensitive to it. To me these are pictures of women. I really couldn't give a toss if they are real muslim or fake muslim or any other religion. I think if you let the media racism get to you then you are racist. If you can ignore it then you also can't pander to the hysteria around it. fair enough, although the average australian has taken the bait...stuff like this fuels the fire also, I agree with nil in regards to you Torsten, giving it to people who rub you the wrong way, yet looking past things like this. No one rubs me up the wrong way more than you do at the moment, and you are still here, right? Running a forum like this means I have to put up with characters like you whether I like it or not. If it starts impacting on the forums as a whole then I will intervene. There are others who annoy me MUCH less than you do and yet they are much more likely to not be around for long. I really don't see why I rub you the wrong way.. you confuse me, as you can at times be quite civil. even friendly towards me... but then, have an outburst out of the blue, I think you may actually like me torsten!!! i didnt read your reply, cause I dont actually care.Hmm, very intelligent. Make a comment without actually knowing what's going on. I do know what is going on... I was actually making comment on nils post, not yours, so why do I need to read yours? but this does have racist undertone, no matter how you try to justify it. I am not justifying it. I don't like it, but not for the same reasons. I think it has no place in this forum. But then again, if I deleted everythign I thought had no place here then it would get rather dull. I just don't buy into the whole media hysteria, porn hysteria and the kid glove approach that appears to be the mindless response to it.I find it curious that the same people who whinge about my hands on approach call for a hands off approach and vice versa as it suits them. its not that I care if you delete it or not, it is more that you are happy to accept that, but if someone says for example, that it isnt illegal to take cuttings from public gardens... they are confronted with an outburst of insults. To be honest, I don't actually care about the pics... I just thought it would go against the principles of the forum (most formal communities have rules regarding religious and racial tolerance.) Edited March 22, 2007 by shroomytoonos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted March 22, 2007 since i'm not a practising muslim and i'm not a muslim woman who wears the hijab or niqab (both SACRED veils of modesty), i have directed this thread to some practising muslim women who cover themselves who can better explain it to you so that you can get a proper education as to why this is sexist, racist and intolerable. i understand it because i spent a year studying islam. how i know the veil fetish models are not muslim women or women of islam is i 'educated' myself so i could be more aware of what is actually happening in the world. some others ought to give it a go. of course, as they say, ignorant can learn - stupid can't. i will say i'm glad to read what i have from apothecary and find it refreshing. torsten, of course, same old same old. assumptive, presumptive, arrogant and unable to apply his grand rules across the board. when is a 'fetish' ok to share? a fetish is ok to share in a public forum if it totally bastardises a sacred conception of modesty but it isn't if ______ . i think this is a vocal minority asshole issue. i think the majority of people here really are good people who can understand respecting something that is so sacred to a large number of women, especially when those women are currently bearing the brunt of disrespect in most western cultures. just something to think about. and yeah, i am done here but i do still read on occasion and this was something i couldn't NOT respond to because of the people i know in my life and because of my personal education in theology and islam in particular. i have some VERY good friends who are covering muslim women. hopefully some of them can educate you better than i can. if i were a practising muslim, i wouldn't have the mouth that i do. i hope those of you who have done so in this thread continue to practice a reverence to that which is sacred to people's spirits even if you don't hold them sacred yourselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted March 22, 2007 Its over dude...move on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marsha Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) i appolgise apo i put a warning about the nudity i thought that would be ok i get the message now, any way it wasnt pornographic it was nudity which isnt smutty but still i understand and appologise any way i thought some people may appreciate the beauty of these women and the traditional dress sorry if i offended anyone it wasnt intended to stir sh it tho some of my previous posts have which u are correct about apo ;) any way these werent intended as racism nor sexism just a celebration of beautifully veiled women much love to you all xo Edited March 22, 2007 by YoWiE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
incognito Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) i dont think yowie is racist at all. in my experience of knowing him, he has genuinely found muslim women attractive and has been very vocal about this point of view for at least the last year and a half. Good on him. Geebus if peeps can talk about their love of bukkakee and golden showers etc quite openly i cant see why yowie cant voice his opinion of attractive women in chill space. shroomytoonos before u get set to pass judgements on the peeps of this community, why dont u take some time to actually get to know them, instead of playing this disruptive troll wannabee gig. edit- warning yowie for this is pretty wack, surely a caution via pm would have sufficed, i see NOTHING racist about this, fuk man there is porn of every nation/religion of the world, excluding muslim nudes would almost make u the racist sina. Like T said man, there has been nearly every nation of nude girl represented here, to give yowie an official warning for this is takin ur mod job a little to seriously. Edited March 22, 2007 by jono Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Μορφέας Posted March 22, 2007 ahh lovly, you cant help but appreciate their beauty and form Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocAzz Posted March 22, 2007 Quote of the week goes to Torsten: geez, I thought you left ages ago?What a classic!!But wait! There's more! ...that most of these threads are posted by guys who are still in their post puberty testosterone rush and cut them some slack. FUCKIN AY!! I still haven't stopped riding that wave!!! Sorry, but I just had to throw my two cents in and have a chuckle! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XipeTotec Posted March 22, 2007 i dont think yowie is racist at all.in my experience of knowing him, he has genuinely found muslim women attractive and has been very vocal about this point of view for at least the last year and a half. Good on him. Geebus if peeps can talk about their love of bukkakee and golden showers etc quite openly i cant see why yowie cant voice his opinion of attractive women in chill space. shroomytoonos before u get set to pass judgements on the peeps of this community, why dont u take some time to actually get to know them, instead of playing this disruptive troll wannabee gig. jono... i didnt judge the people of this community.... please point out where I did. I raised issue with torsten... which I have in the past, and likely will again (im sure one day we will kiss and make up) I have actually gotten to know quite a few people in this community, and have found them to be very cool. you on the other hand jono... I will not be making an effort to know, as you have felt the need to take this opportunity to attack me for reasons unknown. as for being a troll wannabe... maybe you should stop being a human wannabe, and learn to live with the fact that u suck... lol.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green Osiris Posted March 22, 2007 geez, I thought you left ages ago? Youv’e said that about this member several times previously. Unless she is barred by you, there is no onus to stay away. I think it is funny that I am being called upon to intervene in somethign as trivial as this by the people who continually criticised my influence . Hypocrites! Amazing that you are perching upon this particular soapbox to discredit people outside of your (self-perceived) click of late. There’s a noted trend that shows a modus operandi, no doubt pre- plotted, yet with many, many holes in the structure. It’s time you started screaming a new song, my boy. You so often these days claim to be disaffected, yet continue to belittle people with the very accusations/observations levelled at yourself in the past. The game of manipulation might work on some of your audience pal, but to those who are able to see through the deflective plate you are holding up in your big manly arms, it‘s becoming stale already. Why is it so hard for you to self reflect upon the increasing criticism towards your (alleged) messiah syndrome ? Personal growth is available for you now, but you need to grab the ticket for yourself. The fact that you dare to accuse others of hypocrisy is laughable. I wonder if the term ‘clutching at straws’ should be used at this stage of the ‘game’ …… You need to thank Yowie for removing the naked pic, for you (as the site operator) would otherwise been in the sightlines for all manner of grief for allowing (ie not removing) such contributions in an age of “Anti-Islamism”. I’ve no doubt about Yowie’s fetish for hijab/burqa/niqab clad women, but how about if a member had a similar fetish for naked children ? Geeze, I can almost predict what elements of the aforementioned diatribe (go on) that you’re about to dissect. Or might have if not for this sentence….. Despite the continued respect that I have for you as a pioneer in building the ethno community in this country( seriously), there’s a definite attitude & ethics re-alignment that need to be addressed. Love & Kisses, GO PS: Irrespective of my thoughts on this thread, i think Yowie *should* re-instate the original picture in order to have a credible start-point in what may or may not become a passionate online discussion. Please re-post it Yowie, you have my blessing. Original convictions are the most honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Μορφέας Posted March 22, 2007 Keep em comming, I can appreciate these for what they are, The 'picture in question' was beautiful and amazing, not derogatory or smutty in anyway. If you have any sense of beauty and art you would see it for what it was, lose the predeposition for a negitive oppionon and youl see the real picture and what i mean! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XipeTotec Posted March 22, 2007 Quote of the week goes to Torsten:What a classic!! But wait! There's more! FUCKIN AY!! I still haven't stopped riding that wave!!! Sorry, but I just had to throw my two cents in and have a chuckle! azz, u love torsten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
