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so, its possbile CCC=altmans=kada/smith/PCM#1 no?

there are also (?): * TPQC (USA) with a strange story of crestation.... this clone played a role in nitrogen 2012 hybrids progeny .. apparently the cactus went monstrosa after a snail attack. I seem to have a specimen of a non-monstrosa tpqc (sourced from some nooker). *TPC (USA) also vital to nitrogen 2012 hybrids progeny. This rather looks like TPM#2 , the europe , crest form, but who knows? *several claims for 'pervuvianus' crests that seem pachanoi *some pachanoi crest shown a couple months ago from Philocacti, which seemed to have longer spines than usual *an ozzie "Hammiltons crest", labeled both as peruvianus and cuzcoensis (seems to be the latter) *an yet another ozzie "pachanoi/peruvianus" crest that seems to be different to those I have, but I haven't really grown this out a lot. (this came as a graft) I have rooted a couple cuttings from both those two last ozzies, so next year I will hopefully see something interesting. *last but not least, I remember a couple very distinctive individuals created from nitro 2012 seed (one particularly grown by naja naja I think, which seemed to have some bridgesii traits.. ) I am sure , if all these seedlings are grown out and cut and propagated, there might be some new distinctive monster varieties in a couple years!

very interesting thread I have had two clones of pachanoi monstrosa/crest for years. 1. was bought from kada's garden, who once said his clones dont really crest , while mine both crest and do columnar monstrosa growth. The columns might alternate between normal and monster growth or terminate at some point or more rarely revert back to crest. Rooted columns pup from the base like the normal pachanoi habit. This clone seems to be the most common form seen in USA, and I suspect its the same or very similar to the fabulous specimens of M S Smith that was once known as "short spined peruvianus" (a wrong term for which Smith has explained a couple times) . The "altmans clone" also fell into my attention lately, and it too looks a bit of the same "persuation" , that is columnar monster growth.. I would love to see more pics of this "Altman clone" as well a description of the habits would be awesome! I used to call this kada strain, so maybe we call call this smith/kada or TPM#1 , for the sake of ease in this discussion. 2. was bought from Plapp's german nursery , and seems to be the commonest form found in europe. Its a faster grower than TPM#1 and it maintains the crest habit at all times. Larger specimens pup from near the base and pups might sometimes start columnarish, but soon enough they crest . Lets call this TPM#2 , or TPM europe or TPM crest or crest form ^^^^^^^^^^^ a nice specimen of TPM#2 . The front crest came from a new pup that started columnarish, then crested and both of them, 2+2 big specimens , in the same pic at the right, 2x TPM#2 crest form and at the right 2x TPM#1 (kada/smith) . You can see one of the TPM#1's also has a large crest (photo taken on June)

I guess you're right, chilensis spines are much thicker

nitrogen 2012 offspring, lol this must be one of the slowest grows of these seedlings compared to ya all! kudos to all people that offer freebie gifts and share the cactus passion, simultaneously bringing this "generous spirit" that nitrogen mentions into plant forums.

no it was some other nooker .. no idea where the seed was from, and the dude wasnt sure either..

I have many pasacanas, both blond-spined and brownish-spined, but I haven't seen any with spines that fade to white... well there is some strange specimen I have been long puzzled by, with pale spines, but its still differnt than this one. Could it be some chilensis form and not pasacana? it seems to grow pretty slow

this was grown from seed with label "validus?" from usa.. I think it resembles more a cuzcoensis, but then... The seedling did the 3 branches from early on, seemingly on its own... Should be some 2.5~3 years old... next year will be more telling Any ideas?

there were lots of mandrakes that are NOT near some rock.. I guess I had to pick some as I have lots of habit picks and I mostly picked those I thought were the most beautiful and impressive but yeah its seems to like rocky habitat, thats right!

more drama shit from the "short spined peruvianus" conversation http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22419&hl=%2Bshort+%2Bspined+%2Bperuvianus#entry236532

too many names, still not good taxonomic eyes around !!!

hehe this link has not a lot of pictures, but it has drama between zelly and MS Smith, and some comments.. http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38591&hl=crest#entry466272 if you search the show off your freeks thread, MS Smith has posted there from time to time his aweseome pach monsterocrests and here , http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38129&hl=%2Bshort+%2Bspined+%2Bperuvianus#entry460151 more drama, hehe.. but no crest... you have search a bit yrself, there are many pics here, I just cant seem to find them now..

I dont see why post #3 , pic #3 aint a terscheckii

pics are not really telling, if this is a chilensis its different than more common forms...

they look like terscheckii yeah...

Senor's look like a true variegation... (puzzled)

amazing, beautiful, one of a kind ... more pics please! any idea how old it is, and of its history? how much its worth?? at least 500 euros and that's cheap, up to 1500 - 2000 ? price could be anything , considering the size, beauty and sheer rarity of this specimen...

beautiful... I am not sure its a Pilosocereus.. why? rib count and not narrow ribs... I'd love one!

seems right for a bridgesii. the 4th pic in your 1st post seems like a peruvianoids ... or some interemediate form peruv-pach like huanu hey is the altmans TPM different from MS Smith TPM ? does it also do crests as well as doing columnar monstrosa growth?

awesome pics and specimens. Thanks for sharing! Got to love some marks on the body that indicate crucial points in the cactus history

wow this girl is popular, no? please dont send any more PMs! 3 freebies are gone, lots of people asking, might do a small sale in the near future... have to check my stock again

the second one's look like the cordobensis / super pedro scop

in memory of REshroomEd I offer three freebie cuttings of Eileen postage paid to the first non-ozzies that PM me Remember the friends PS: Greek punk on the missing friends - title "remember the friends"

RIP