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Apologies for not reading through the thread, but it's mighty long! And I'm really glad to see some critical thought and discussion, so thought I would share what information I could. I largely rely on a set of work in tandem with my own gnosis when it comes to using discernment around matters like these, so I will offer a source or reference point before sharing my thoughts as most of the following information comes directly from this article: http://www.pfcn.net/Bulletins/Meme%20Control%20and%20Interference%20-%20Aug%202008.pdf This article in particular came from an examination upon the influence of social memes and was stimulated by various concerns such as the failure of spiritual-progressives to become a movement that changes the world and supports humanity’s higher evolution as spiritual beings, and the question of the “control matrix”, the “controllers”, and global power elite. It is most important to remember there has been nearly continuous influences and interferences in human development over many millennia. One goal is to identify common patterns of thought and memes and to understand the deeper agendas. Once that is made recognizable, it becomes easier to develop ones own “truth meter”. Two examples are emerging now that promote the falsehood of global threats to human/earth life intended to justify one-world control and mask the nature of the controller elite. One is the global warming banner that brings together NWO/UN interests, global warming propagandists, climate change fears, and integral culture/new age tendencies. The outcome would be to place a new public mask over the TPTB and the dark forces. The other is introducing alien/ET contact and in so doing both elevates this as a threat as well as to open the door to some of the darker elements of the ET’s races who have been in league with TPTB of humanity. Combined, this raises a new set of threats designed to get people to accept ongoing control by the TPTB. In terms of scale, the top echelon and their immediate close circles number in the hundreds. They in turn rely on a second tier of loyal intermediaries who in turn work through various key individuals highly placed in society. This then flows to a third tier of leading executives who oversee the significant policies in government, business, religions, militaries, financial centers, media, science, medicine, education, consultancies, philanthropic organizations, NGO’s, and all other significant institutions that direct human life on Earth. Most of this third tier number in the tens of thousands and are often publicly identifiable. They in turn rely upon a fourth tier of individuals numbering in the hundreds of thousands to carry out and manage all their various initiatives in all sectors of society. A fifth tier would include a broad group of influencers who are not especially powerful as individuals but who are an important part of the social control process and help maintain the conveyance of financial and other energies through much of society and social castes. If asked, most would likely not admit to this role and would prefer to believe they act out of the strength of their “own beliefs”. However, many of these influencers benefit materially through salaries, grants, consulting and speaking fees, etc. In other words, they are manipulated themselves by the very social memes that enthralled them. They in turn spread the roots of the dark influence deeply into society where so much of society is involved in maintaining themselves in a virtual prison. It is no coincidence that the study of cybernetics and what came to be called meme- engineering have a close relationship with one another and were funded by various military and spy organizations. Before the word “meme” was coined, military and spy agencies were funding what could be considered “next generation” psychological and paranormal operations (psy-ops/psi-ops/spy-ops). This included what we would call today “meme engineering”, a branch of social control. Such work has many applications and it is the primary funders who establish their pre-eminent position and dominance over the agendas. This is significant in reading background material about this process and then applying this to social-cultural concerns such as the new thought/new age/consciousness “movement”. One of the advantages of gaining the cooperation of those who are self-centered is that it often takes very little money and effort to “nudge and guide” their careers. Decades ago, assessments and plans were made on behalf of the-powers-that-were for the times we are now in. It was expected that the matrix world order would be unable to keep billions of people mindlessly pursuing consumerism and the illusions of social caste climbing. It was also expected that some major changes to the planetary/space environment would be occurring. It would therefore be necessary to present the human inmates on Earth with ever growing threats against which they would oblige and continue to be both inmates and jailors and so continue under the domination of the powers that be. Over a few hundred years, nations could rely on occasional false flag events and civil and border wars to manipulate their respective publics, this has limited value. Endless world wars became too disruptive and useful only as temporary solutions to a rapidly changing humanity even under the control of the global elite. Various other threats were considered: disease pandemics, population explosion, climate change, pollution, and more. It was decades ago that global climate change and environment collapse was eventually selected as the first choice to provide a near universal threat under which most people would willingly accept reductions in consumerism, social climbing, democracy, etc. while accepting the ongoing control system of the-powers-that-be. So now we have a combination of permanent war against fictitious enemies, the concocted “grand unifier” of global warming (or climate change to some), and the soon to come disease issues (with even more in the offing) to keep people in a perverse state of denial, confusion, conflict, upset, fear, and “hope”. Falsehoods have permeated nearly everything, including these so-called “change-agents” and the meme-control process has been honed to cater to the idiosyncracies of those among the global populace who are most likely to question the nature of the social order and the control matrix. To reiterate, rather than TPTB oppose what is most likely challenge to its global rule, it preferred co-optation, influence, and meme-engineering. Here are examples of falsehoods that are used to mask the true nature of the reality. This list is not intended to be comprehensive. Global warming, climate change, Planet-X, terrorism, Islamicism, etc. are “common threats” that require a “common front” of all humans. --- This is an example of fear-based memes to facilitate compliance with the dominant paradigm of the powers-that-be and negates higher self and original Source. At the basis of these is the assumption that humanity itself is the “enemy” and must be changed and controlled by those who “know best” (meaning TPTB). This is closely linked to core new age teachings that assert that there is no dark force, that it is of human origin, and so the “hidden hand” continues in its concealment. Dark and Light are a natural dynamic of opposites that is necessary for existence. --- From the perspective of true Oneness and original Creation, there is no need for “separateness” or duality and at that level of consciousness this energetic barely exists as an abstraction. The very concept that opposites are needed for there to be a stimulus to creation is a distorted construct that only exists within the portion of Creation that has been dominated by the dark forces --to teach otherwise would be antithetical to the existence of the dark. So yes, such conflict would seem “natural” from the perspective of Darkness and that which it dominates. “Duality” is a relative term used to describe a situation in which expanded human awareness becomes aware of the existence of something else – that which is referred to as the dark force – something antithetical to true Source and Creation. The teachings in the human realm that are about “embracing the dark”, combining “the dark and the light”, etc., are all distortions that are encouraged by the dark forces so at to keep them functional. Spirituality (and God) is something apart from the individual, it is higher and above you. --- This is another way that spirituality is kept separate from social leadership and social governance. This is comparable to the “as above” principle of the formation of a separateness from Creation by the Dark. True spirituality concerning higher dimensions of existence and consciousness connects directly to original Source where the dark forces simply not exist. People of good hearts and minds (but lacking in discernment) were taken in and involved in legitimizing much of the new age/new thought tendencies and in turn entangled others. It is hoped this material will be of use to those who are trying to see beyond the “prison-park”. It would be good to adopt a Diogenes-like attitude in searching for truth. Always ask for the deeper or higher truth to be revealed and assume that so far, most of human civilization and society is based upon falsehoods layered upon falsehoods masquerading as truth. From our perspective, this will soon enough be rectified. “True Oneness with Original Creation is a high level resonance and attractor through which genuine healing and spiritual evolution can take place. It is also the avenue for a true global awakening. That is why we are here after all, to know the difference, help undo the dark force influences, and not to become energy fodder for the dark forces.” Catastrophic wars involving powerful technologies occurred several thousand years ago. There was also a period in which the dominant elite “on the ground” generally followed the guidance of their dark overlords and false gods. Help has arrived and the dark lords no longer have the same level of influence and control over their human hosts and allies as they did before. The situation is changing also while a major galactic cycle shifts. --- “After 12,000 years, when the sun goes to the place in its orbit which is farthest from Brahma, the grand center . . . [then] dharma, the mental virtue, comes to such a reduced state that man cannot grasp anything beyond the gross material creation.” “When the sun in its revolution around its dual comes to the place nearest to this grand center, the seat of Brahma (an event which takes place when the Autumnal Equinox comes to the first point of Aries), dharma, the mental virtue, becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of the spirit.” – Sri Yukteswar, The Holy Science (1894) --- And so we are here. A major bifurcation occurring along the lines of spiritual consciousness and the very energetic structures of reality. http://www.pfcn.net/Bulletins/Meme%20Control%20and%20Interference%20-%20Aug%202008.pdf

ive just arrived back on the central coast a few days ago. I was trying to get in on the camping trip but it seems to have fallen through. I don't want to impose, especially considering the next meet up is on Horus property. But if newbies are welcome I'd love to tag along. Otherwise I'll try get out to the next local meet up, it'd be great to meet some of the friendly folk on here!

Given some deeper thought I believe the core processes lie in facing my shadow self. This has caused numerous upheavals in my life and I feel I am in need of support and guidance. I can expand though on my intentions. I do regardless also spend a lot of time on a range of spiritual practices. Indeed to continue my journey healing is a must, but in a way I feel somewhat capable myself. My intentions for ayahuasca would be to stimulate a journey where I could experience and work with my already present spiritual connection, thus assisting in the healing of my human self. However, the point I am at now I feel guidance and support is necessary and reaching out to those more experienced than me feels beneficial. I'm not quite sure what I need, but if I was to journey on ayahuasca I feel certain I would need someone experienced in holding the space as I am not able and not experienced in doing that myself. On the other hand if I found the correct healing for my issues, in particular psychosis and stabilising my core energy/boundaries, I may not need the help of an entheogen to continue working on this myself. Spending thousands to receive healing does make me wonder of the integrity of such a practitioner. I should not write off as such however, thats just though as I have come across a genuine medicine men and despite teaching me things integral to my journey he was not willing to work with me further.

I'm looking to heal my addiction issues and a mild psychotic disorder. I feel in sync on a higher level but there is a stress in between.

Hi all, I've been interested in this for sometime but only recently reached a place where I feel this would be beneficial for me. I'm interested mainly in ayahuasca and ibogaine therapy and would like to take part in this with an experienced shaman/medicine man. In a place where this could be legally done of course. Given the nature of false teachers I wanted to enquire here as to how others have gone about this, recommendations, experiences. I'd love to hear about what others have learned.

Cool thanks for the effort everyone I appreciate it

I don't think so. Any idea when you guys were thinking? December? January? If we find a month people are open to we can try and select a suitable date.

Cool I'm located in Melbourne presently. I may or may not have a car available, if I do I'd be happy to carpool. I reckon I'll get out to the EGA too so long as I'm free!

Would love to come along to the next meet if anyone has any ideas when that would be.

Wow thanks everyone for sharing info on this herb. It was recently recommended to me by a friend, I didn't realise it's potency!

Yeah I agree with what others have said, find a good TCM practitioner. As soon as you said you were receiving treatment from a nurse this rung bells. There are likewise good and bad TCM practitioners it can take a number of tries or a number of sessions to get in sync. I've been overwhelmed by detox symptoms from acupuncture and become very sick make sure you are aware of this and let your acupuncturist know. I received treatment for scarring tissue in my back muscles and recovered from years of pain and inability to use my back in a few months. Good luck!

I'd like to offer my own thank you for the timely advice others have already given in this thread. I wouldn't want to completely rule out the use of anti-psychotic drugs but my experience with them has been negative. The mad in america website, open dialogue approach to psychosis and term spiritual crisis are all worthwhile resources when tackling psychosis, I wouldn't take anything too literally, one's own critical thought is of the utmost importance when navigating these territories as it is in a general sense. I believe anti-psychotics in their nature suppress symptoms of an underlying disorder and don't play a direct role in any genuine healing. In my opinion suppression just results in more problems down the track and is never a permanent solution. Perhaps you could seek out a more open-minded psychiatrist who can help you talk to doctors who might otherwise not be open to that perspective from a 'mental health patient'. That is how I view the matter as this is always individual. If it's the choice between debilitating symptoms I think finding the lowest dose possible is best, ensuring to explore as many other options as possible.

I've obtained some in Australia without problems. Was trying it for mental health related issues. It had a restorative effect on my nervous system for the first few days then fizzled out. I tried increasing my dosage which ended up making me really paranoid and caused insomnia, which I found strange considering CBD's characteristics, it had a very different effect to THC yet still some similarities. I also tried maintaining the dosage for a month with no benefits and considering it's cost gave up on it. Glad to hear it is of benefit for some!

This wouldn't be the first time I've personally heard of such 'spiritual abuse'. Some are aware of what they are doing whilst others have been sucked in and manipulated to believing what they are doing is right by other forces. I agree that people naively flock towards this kind of abuse in an attempt for healing in a distorted and traumatised world, I do however feel this whole concept is a microcosm of a larger problem. To me the definition of the word shaman has changed with the changing of the times. While I don't know enough about indigenous cultures and what still remains to comment, my experience has been the framework that existed for genuine healing to occur has been all but destroyed. I was taught and feel it's important to recognise with the right intent we can create our own framework by going inwards and with the help of true forces create something entirely new to this realm. Our society has created such a reliance on itself that people have forgotten this very notion. Following what I have been taught again, is that through a process that has only recently become available, being a shaman can mean becoming more deeply imbedded in the problems we face as a collective and making amends to the so many wrongs we have faced. So there is a focus on a global and even multi-dimensional.

I'd love to come along! I've lurked the forum for a number of years, are newbies welcome to the trip?