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Brugmansia seedling shown grafted to mature stock from flowering region. I've posted these pictures to show that you can handle, cut on, and otherwise work with Brugmansia without wearing gloves. I do however, advice against rubbing your eyes.

god damn it, he seems to enjoy it. He especially picks this plant since I took one kk339 down. munching then I told him, hey, it's my cactus whose top you just ate!!!! he backtracked, but not for long. Not more than half a minute, he started doing his thing again! I threw him away, but I know they will come again.

thanks for comments naja, yep, I think it's pringley too. they other two are pecten-aborigum I reckon. I hope you're wrong about pringly not making it with lots of rain. I got a bigger one , bit more than a foot, maybe 45 cm, on my outside plot, we will see if it survives. Last year , winter, I saved it last minute as soil had fallen and choked it's base. It looks hibernated now. Or its dying. Have to check out and maybe poke the soil a bit Mose, man I think you're spot on , that's what it is, Mammi plumosa, thanks

A bridge cross is essentially one that is done to enable you to breed desired traits from one cacti genus or species into another that can not be done via a straight cross. For instance, if I desire to cross Trichocereus x Lophophora... I may discover that this is not possible via several different means of mentor pollen, cut style, etc. Rather than give up or continue with this madness... You may discover that perhaps a particular Lobivia can be crossed to a certain Mammillaria. You may discover that Lophophora can be crossed to Mammillaria as has been previously documented. You may also see that this Lobivia can be crossed to Trichocereus. Its not hard to follow the bouncing ball and see that it is possible via a wide selection of crosses to eventually breed the desired traits from more than one species or genus into a single new hybrid. I've started this thread in hopes that some of the cacti giants that Lurk in here will post some relevant information. Relevant information is any known cross involving any active species with another species or genus. We can of course accept entries from anyone wishing to share relevant links to proposed crosses and I encourage everyone to post of known crosses. The idea is to come back and straighten out the results that ensue to create a master list of tried and tested crosses to shorten the time it may take to create some of these more novel hybrids. Anyone and everyone should post with any relevant information. We can straighten this out later and make it look nice and pretty... i.e. easier to follow. I'm relying on the cacti experts in here as well as the novices to all share a bit of research that they have done or are doing. Lophophora (seed bearer hybrids) Lophophora koehresii (seed bearer) x Lophophora fricii (pollen donor) =viable seed (courtesy information provided by KadaKuda) Lophophora fricii (seed bearer) x Lophophora koehresii (pollen donor) = not enough data/attempts made to warrant ruling this one out... no seeds thus far. (courtesy information provided by KadaKuda) L. diffusa (seed bearer) x Obregonia denegri (pollen donor) = pod produced... awaiting more information. Mammillaria bocasana (pollen donor) .... notes on F1 seedlings: Body shape altered and seedling hybrid spines 3 x longer Strombocactus hybrids... no species listed... no identifiable differences in F1 seedlings, possible parthenogenesis... F1 x F1 may yield determine validity of this cross or F1 x Strombocactus. Turbinicarpus schwaarzii hybrids... red and green scales around buds, large flower, petals pointed Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele hybrids (pollen donor) ... "Beautiful or the color of body and blossom alike"... more details needed. Was the color different and how so? All of the above information was given via the help of MS Cacti. Your help is always appreciated. http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...showtopic=19832 Astrophytum (seed bearer) Astrophytum. x Mammillaria. x Gymnocalycium... while not much information is given. It is understood that this means Astrophytum (seed bearer) x Mammillaria (pollen donor) = F1 A.M. The resulting F1 A.M. (seed bearer) was then crossed with Gymnocalycium (pollen donor). http://www.lapshin.org/cultivar/N18/exp-e.htm We need a list of other crosses attempted and or overlooked. The idea here is to present as much valid information as possible with the understanding that even the best of hybridizers makes mistakes. Open sharing can not be done and will not be done when a member feels like they have been castigated or might be castigated for any information they have shared. While it may seem absurd to someone to try a straight cross between Lophophora and Trichocereus both ways... has it been tried? How many times has it been tried? Did a pod form on either plant and if so was it aborted early? Sometimes the most absurd things turn out to be the very things that work or point us in a direction that will work. Try to keep an open mind and share what you have here guys. Links to sources are of course desired if and when possible. My idea is to move all of the relevant data once formed into one post which can be linked to this post for anyone wanting more specifics. Help me out guys. Knowledge is great, but it must be easily accessible and in a format that is easy to follow. Feel free to post any questions or relevant information in this thread. A cleaner thread will be made later. It is generally accepted that the above attempts were made via standard pollination techniques and so we can not rule out that more advanced techniques might yield better results.

very nice post and pic's, but i don't understand why you graft a seedling onto the flowering parts of a mature brug, i can only guess, that this way the seedling will mature faster. it seems strange to me, not to tell us why you graft, anyway grafting solani is great fun, easy and can have great rewards, like multicolered flowering brugs or red and yellow tree tomato on one single bush. i prefere a straight blade when grafting, any box cutter will do. to clean the blade, i use metho initialy and a mist of water after having done a few cut's during the operation. i always clean the blade very thorough if cutting a new plant, so to avoid spreading disease. for tieing up the graft, i use strips cut out of old plastic bags, which works well for me as one can use different strengh of plastic for different softness of the tissue.

Your proposing something like this? Stigmatic fluid or exudate..... Don't worry yourself about which is which. Grind the compatible donor stigma up and use the juice. You don't need to think fancy. The same thing goes with the grafted style... don't think fancy. If you know a particular pollen germinates and grows x number of cm's in an hour... you can think of ways to accomplish this and remember, you don't need a lot of tissue for your grafted style/stigma, etc. The main and most important thing to remember is pollen is very much like a seed. It needs moisture to germinate and higher levels of humidity than those that might be encountered in a plants natural setting can often increase the ability of a foreign pollen to germinate. Humidity is of utmost importance for the pollen as well as for the cut style or stigma surface. Even a coke bottle, plastic bag, etc... can keep things more humid. I prefer parafilm myself as it is exceptional for grafting purposes... it breaths, stretches, and falls off when it is no longer needed. As far as how much style or stigma to remove... the zone of inhibition has to be by-passed. Cut the style in half and you've generally accomplished this. Cutting the style in half can be done horizontally or vertically. If done vertically, you can insert an nice chunk of your compatible pistil (compatible with the pollen) ... not the plant or cacti in question. Essentially, you'd be making a grafted style lengthwise instead of horizontally. You have to allow yourself to think outside of the box. The mentor pollen, both viable and killed method serve many purposes... one is fruit set. If their is insufficient compatible pollen then your pod will often abort. If there is not enough viable pollen from your mentor pollen... your pod will often abort. You have to experiment and see if 100% dead mentor pollen is okay to trigger things with each and every cross you attempt. If not, then you need to move to minimal pollination utilizing mentor pollen in your pollen cocktail. The idea is this: If you know you need 1-2 grains of viable pollen from your mentor pollen to get a pod not to abort then you use 1-2 pollen grains to accomplish this. Any other seed that forms will be from your non-compatible pollen and thus you have 1-2 seeds that are not hybrids and the rest which are. The problem is of course that many times the resulting hybrid seeds will still abort and or you will find an large mostly empty seed pod with a heavy load of callous tissue surrounding those aborted seeds. I have a few pictures detailing this in my own crosses. Unfortunately, I don't have them small enough to post in here... at least most of them are too large. You are very right in many of your assumptions.. even the experts don't understand 100% why these methods work. I really don't care too much as long as I have data to back those crosses up. I think of many pollen rejection in much the same way as I think of the human immune system. A female with rh- blood may have an rh+ baby with no problem without a rhogam shot. However, the next baby she will not be able to have if it is rh+ if she did not have the shot. Similarly, the body detects foreign antigens when they reach a crucial level and mounts a reaction against them. With this in mind, many plant stigma/style surfaces can be exposed to the proper antigens to signal seed production from dead or minimal levels of viable mentor pollen thereby allowing the foreign pollen antigens to go undetected as they begin to germinate. However, some foreign pollens need the specific antigens found on and in the stigma of their compatible species to germinate. Excessive humidity may bypass this need, but when it does not... this is why stigma fluid is utilized. I'm thinking for our experimental purposes, its probably best to place a a few pollen grains on the stigma prior to macerating it as this allows for that stigma to send added chemical messengers unique to that particular pollens germination to be utilized in/on the cut style of the non-compatible style. Likewise, you can simply apply the compatible pollen to its compatible stigma and then insert this stigma into the stigma/style of your non-compatible cross taking care not to let the stock or scion to dry out in the process. High humidity is a must! Pollen is much more adaptive than many like to think. You can germinate many pollen grains on a slice of onion and so it appears that not all are dependent on stigmatic juices so to speak. You can look at this germination under a microscope if you use a thin peel from the skin itself. Again, be careful not to let it dry out. With that said, minimal pollination has a great advantage in that you utilize a set percentage of pollen types and a set number estimate of pollen grains. Serial dilutions are made of each pollen type and many crosses are made. The idea being that if you know a particular cactus can set seed pods of 20-30 seeds when out-crossed and needs a minimum of 4 seeds to produce a seed pod... you reduce the number of pollen grains down to 10-15 to pollinate each flower with. You use varying percentages or dilutions in relationship to each other with the understanding that any seed pod over 18 seeds is most likely a waste. Those in the 10-15 range though in this scenario may have varying percentages of both hybrid and non hybrid seed that you should be able to uncover the percentages within reason of both compatible and incompatible crosses. This is the theory at least. If you have 4 grains of compatible pollen on a stigma and they are viable and 10 grains of non-compatible pollen and you get 10 seeds to form and 3 abort... you can figure that the first 4 grains did their job of keeping the pod from aborting while the 10 grains of non-compatible pollen went undetected. Perhaps your dilutions work so that you can only get pods of 10 seeds compatible pollen and 2 seeds incompatible polllen... you see why many attempts have to be made and back-crosses to both sets of parents must be done to ensure that you have actually created hybrids when the obvious phenotype has not changed enough to be certain. Its similar in this manner to a mother with rh- blood. She may have an rh+ baby so long as not enough blood/antigen is detected from the baby as she creates antibodies/callous tissue to the resulting foreign tissue/antigen/protein. Why not work with Lophophora pollen? I don't think there is a regulation against shipping pollen yet? You can see a few different examples of how I have tried impossible crossed below. I've tried many more ways mind you and many of them resulted in seed. The majority of the seed aborted early on many of these crosses however. Some did reach pretty impressive sizes before they aborted with this particular cross, albeit, it was the opposite way... enough though for some nice examples. You can extrapolate from my examples and apply them to your own research and hybridizing attempts whatever the species or genus may be.

"maybe in your self righteous indignation you failed to realise that this topic took a humorous quote from Crowley as a starting point for a discussion on the nature ov magick as creative writing. you yourself have turned it into a diatribe on Crowley" This thread is starting to get a little heated which was never my intention so I think this should be the last comment from me. You were referring to him as 'Al' and some of you seem to be rather fond of him, I find this a little hard to comprehend due to the fact that he was a shit eating freak who among other things raped and murdered animals, you should be ashamed of yourselves! Lets for one minute forget the fact that he apparently sacrificed human children and murdered innocent adults because for some reason I empathize with animals far more than I do with people. Any one who rapes and murders a dog or a cat, goat, whatever is in my opinion the scum of the earth and if I had my way they would be executed! I laughed when I heard that one of his followers in Italy died from drinking cats blood and was pleased to hear that it was a slow and painful death, it serves the bastard right! I was initially hesitant to post for fear of alienating myself from you all but now I'm starting to think phukit! To say that I feel strongly about animal rights is an understatement and if you think that this sort of shit is ok then I want nothing to do with you anyway! "seeing as Baphomet was one ov Crowley's aliases & as you seem to know everything about him, maybe that was always your intent" The name Baphomet was not a creation of Crowley it is the name of the idol allegedly worshiped by the templars, my avatar is a drawing of this idol by Eliphas Levi which is more commonly known as the 'goat of mendes'. I dissagree with much of what the wiki article says in relation to this but agree with the statement that the connections that crowley made in relation to baphomet were "fanciful". It is hard to find any good info on this really but this is IMO better than the wiki link http://www.templarhistory.com/baphomet.html Crowley being the fraudulent, self promoting wanker that he was used to use this and other bogus titles to glorify himself such as 'Lord Crowley' and even claimed that he was the reincarnation of Levi. I did not see this thread before I signed up and I did not call myself baphomet just to post in this thread and I am starting to think I should change it as I think it may be subconciously having a negative effect on people. "Pseudo-occultism??? That would be the new-age fluffy stuff. No serious occultist studying the Western Magical Tradition would neglect Crowley's work even if they dont agree with all aspects of it." Mycot, You define pseudo-occultism for me while in the same post you are trying to tell me that a mentally ill wifebeating crackhead like Christopher Hyatt is one of todays modern thinkers, sure thing buddy It seems hypocritical for nabraxas to suggest that devances posts do not make sense because as far as I see it, many of the posts on this thread make very little sense either including his own. So I will now let you guys get back to discussing the fact that you are tomorrows mages or whatever... carry on.......

I had to start such a thread, lol! I am not saying anything else for now, I have been told that these are cuzcoids:

Lol Teotz is such a cheap show off! Hey Teotz, show off your own cuzcoid Come on bring on your cuzcoid photos, along with what you think consists of a cuzco and why you consider your cactus as such.

Bacon. From your first source: I’ve already posted this graph twice before: Bizarrely, it’s getting negatised more and more, when all I did was to show the best survey in the world of scientists, with respect to what they believe about global warming. It seems that some people like Hunt don’t want to know the truth, and the truth is that most scientists overwhelmingly accept the science of global warming, and that natural variability is accounted for. Even most geologists do, although a large minority does not – coincidentally, these geologists are nearly all involved in the coal or oil industries, or in extraction industries that are fossil fuel-intensive... Here’s another take on the matter, and another. This is not true. Mauna Loa was the first monitoring station, but it not the only one, and it is confirmed by stations around the world: One notable station that could be added to this is Cape Grim in Tasmania, Australia, the result from which also superimpose on this trend. Charles Keeling set up the Mauna Loa station in the 1950s to commence the monitoring of CO2, and the site was actually carefully selected, contrary to denialist claims to the contrary. It was far away from European and America emissions, permitting time for good atmospheric mixing, and the site is very carefully located above the vents in the volcano. Further, measurements are taken only when prevailing winds are blowing local emission away from the station. Contrary to what denialists want you to believe, scientists are not stupid... The fact that the Mauna Loa measurements coincide with those from the many other stations around the world proves that Keeling and the Scripps team got it right. Make no mistake, there is no doubt about the veracity of the CO2 record. Further, the same increased trend following the Industrial Revolution is observed in analyses of coral, of ocean acidification, of speleothem formation, and of ice cores, amongst other things. CO2 is going up exactly as atmopheric physicists are saying. I’ve addressed canard this twice already on this thread. Look carefully at the graphs here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. It didn’t stop warming in 1998, nor in years following. The trend is up. Erm, no, no, and no. These arguments are predicated on the assumption that it is solar irradiance that is causing warming on earth, but that is clearly wrong. I'll repeat: this quote is wrong in its claim. Again, this statement is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. An increase in "seawater" temperature would not be the first indicator of global warming. It would be one of the later ones, for this reason. Similarly, as I have shown already in a previous post, ocean temperatures are increasing. No, this is not one of the predictions of global warming. I’d be very interested to be given a reference to any reputable scientific source that says this. Average global atmospheric humidity is predicted to increase, and this has been seen. However, because the atmosphere is a dynamic system, this humidity will not precipitate out in all areas. There are well-known predictions for changes in weather, and rainfall pattern changes are a fundamental aspect. Many areas are going to be drier than normal, with increase drought events predicted for many regions. Many areas will have more rain, but a lot of these areas already receive extreme rainfall, or are a part of the 70% of the planet’s surface that is covered by ocean. This claim by Hunt is (like so many of his others) a specious one. Ah, so now we can figure out why he speaks crap. He’s making a pile of money from doing so. Bacon, if you really want to read a thorough rebuttal of the denialists’ claims, read the US EPS’s scientific review of hundreds of thousands of submissions made from people who said that the science was wrong. The EPA’s response totals over 700 pages, but the various sections are separated into conveniently titled PDFs. Buried in these pages just about any argument imaginable is addressed, and the documents are referenced. I'll get on to your next quote as soon as I have time.

I can't see how putting solar panels on 107 000 rooftops is a bad thing. Wind turbines are only suitable for a very small number of sites, and rarely residential areas in Australias cities (where most of the population is located). Solar panels may be expensive, but clearly a decentralised power network with each house producing power is the way to go. Just imagine the reductions in both powerline infrastructure cost and reductions in energy loss we could achieve if we did not have to transport power over such vast distances from power station to city. A good idea would be small solar-thermal plants every suburb or two to supplement this also. How is it a bad thing that they broadened the eligibility for the rebates? It encourages more people to adopt the technology. I wonder how many houses earning under $100K per year actually took up the offer, compared to the amount of >$100K per year who can more easily afford it? How is it a bad thing that more roofs now have panels? If you read past the first 3 post by the conspiracy theorists, you will see post after post by happy people who have drastically cut electricity bill because they now have panels. I think we have to look at the big picture here. Yes the rich are more able to afford the technology, but unless more and more people are purchasing panels then the cost will not be driven down. No the goverment scheme is not perfect but what is? What would you do? I see the point about the money going offshore, one suggestion I would make would be to offer a more significant rebate for australia made panels. Do we even assemble any here? As far as I know we don't process silicon. Doing ANYTHING has got to be better than doing nothing.

ajna this is awesome, I love it dude disgeridoo, guitar, live / nonelectric stuff, GREAT! so who provides the beat to start with ? [note: I am not any kind of coordinator for this project. people who wanna contribute should have an equal participation in coordination too. This is not only about making a song, but making a song together!]

yep. molire is the next one i think nice melody mate, I love it.... hey where are the other beat providers? should we start over on some loopy thing to improvise on?

wendermanianus KK1094 wendermanianus pc kk339 pach "2" [sab] Tig , nice bigey bridge as it seems smaller wendermaniani from seed 'pach' from seed 'peruv' from seed you can see some terscheckis from seed there

peruv los gentiles, from seed peruv icarus, from seed

heheheh you didn't get them exactly, vlakas, cafethaki and vlakas you're spot on. 'afto inae poly oraeo' = this is very good 'pamae ya' = let's go for tsigaro = cigarette tsipouro = traditional alc. drink an essential one is also " re malaka " which literaly means asshole, but we include it pretty often in every sentence, it shows familiarity, it's a figure of speech of some kind so it would be something like "re malaka, afto inae poly oraeo! pamae ya tsigaro ke tsipouro" lol thanks for replies

I see, whatever the case, I find these discussions and opinions pretty interesting as I am learning these phenotypes better. Here's what my KK 2150 'pachanoi' looks like , MS Smith thinks is cuzcoid. And here's what my KK 2152 peruvianus looks like === I suppose you are implying the looks here and not the teaching potential... huh?

DOUBLE POST!!!!! ***** ******** some christmas presents I allowed my self euphorbia and mammilaria, biggiez a couple Pachycereus [two plants, divided] , 3 smallish echinocactus, divided, an eriosyce I have killed 2 or 3 times, lol! no idea what the white hairish are Pachycerei, one cleistocactoid/haagocereoid , some trichocerei, a ferocactus probably hystrix, the hairy one was a collector's plant, it bares feathers , not spines in the areoles and is strongly tubercled under the white tufts [a mammi/cory ?] and a couple of succulents [Haeworthia/aloe and two Sempervivumoids] close up on some pachycerei I reckon they might be P. pringley and P.pecten-aborigum, I have grown a couple of more recently to compare and lastly the trichos to ID - I know it's pretty hard~impossible, but guesses are welcome like always the more spherical might be of some more interest, it's in pretty bad shape though and might have lost its tip

oops double post, delete

Hmmm interesting... I guess I learnt something today [thankfully it didn't take the astro and Steno seed container, but the container with all the rest

I should have know better and not be a smart ass! The second container is not going too well... I seems the mammi seedlings died or something... what's this web? is it mycelium eating the seed? How can it be, there's fungicide in there... Could it be too many rootlets as a result from too much seed not allowing the seedling to survive?? I opened it up a bit to see what happens

Yeah I think I got it right. You call short form plants that tend to crest more rather than throw monstrosa columns.

"Never judge a book by its cover." The main problem seems to be that you're more likely to lose money than make it. $1.1bn wasted on solar power Solar panels: they scam, we pay Governments ends $8000 solar panel rebate The Solar Grid feed scam

was gets commonly called Cereus peruvianus mosnstrosa, in fact unfortunately I didn't get a shot of it on the plant. it was pretty tasty , with an kind of exotic flavour and sweet in fact

You might not be especially interested in euromycoflora but , bare with me. Some of you will find these very interesting if you don't know already...Take the time to take a look at the papers. I have no idea how your subaeruginosa compares to all these. Maybe you can tell me? I have been a wild-edible-mushroom picker for some years, but I never knew anything really about blueing psilos, as I had never found them. Last year I did find some and it turnt out pretty interesting, as a find. Psilocybe serbica have been found first in czech republic, croatia but have been found possibly due to cultivations too, in Germany and Austria. Here's the link here at coroboree when I am asking for an ID one year ago. here many of the essential scientific papers for these complex, especially Borovicka, who clarifies P.serbica as a good separate species from cyan and azures. Especially important is Borovicka 2010 which is DNA analysis to finally determine all the following P.arcana, P. bohemica P.moravica etc are vars of P.serbica and also, the secotioid Weraroa novae-zelandiae is also in the same complex, and is suggested to be renamed to Psilocybe.