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"We need to wake people up one at a time"

"These stories continue to be passed down through cultures"

"We've been switched off. Chemically switched off. But there are ways around it"

Don't get sidetracked. I posted this video because it was the trigger for our latest discussion. It is awesome so scroll back up later if you haven't had a gander yet, but seriously, I'm just trying to add all the pieces together into a post which I hope will take me only a short time to compile. I'm sure these ideas aren't simply my own. But they are really important.

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And God said to Abraham "You will worship me above all others".

A key point in the bible and from memory, the point at which the Jews became outcast from the other 12 nations / races.

Why did they become outcast?

The Jews were outcast. They were not able to influence the other cultures directly. They were known. But Christianity was new, it was designed for heathens, the others, those who were not Jews. But it was the same thing. The Christians worshipped but one entity, and all others were to be destroyed, all icons removed, all knowledge subsumed into one story, that of the nemeisis of The One. Christians diverged around the world, destroying shamans, witches, witch doctors and medicine men as they went, destroying all the knowledge of healing and use of plants. These people were known for contacting entities, invariably labelled "Demons" outside of their realm. The means of contact was cut off, the ability to do so curtailed by fear. Why did the Christians hate these entities so much if an all powerful entity have control over our world, our 3 dimensional space, that he had apparently created and had sole jurisdiction over? Why the fervour, why the desperation, why the fear?

We see through all history, all cultures worship more than one entity. From the ancient Hindu's in India, the entities worshipped by the Greeks, the Egyptians, all shamanic cultures, all had a multitude of entities which were worshipped more or less equally. All people in ancient cultures could access these entities directly, and have conversations with them. What was that means of communication? And where did they all go? And why can we not speak to the one remaining entity who remains so aloof?

Did they really exist? Can we speak to them now?

I think we see nowadays a desperate attempt by these ancient entities to contact us in the realm of spirits, which only a few people can access. People who almost invariably need a substance, a catalyst, for the discussion. Many talk in riddles, just as the ancient entities did, many speak more clearly, directly. These entities still exist, but the balance has been lost. A single entity now controls the 3 dimensions of the physical world, and the balance has been totally destroyed. The attempt to destroy traditions and cultures throughout the world has almost succeeded, but with terrible cost. Our environment is collapsing, and the means to contact those entities are being lost. Our ability to communicate badly damaged as the means of contact with those entities, and the other dimensions, Gaia and the planetary ecosystem, is being rapidly dismembered. Our connection to spirituality, the other dimensions, other beings, has been badly damaged, almost broken, and even our understanding of what is being communicated isn't well understood. We pick up the messages piece by piece, but what we desperately need to do is become emissaries, the emissaries of the Amazon, spreading the word of entheogens, but this is not the full message.

The message we need to spread is to become in contact, thousands of us, through entheogens, with ALL the other entities so we can bring back the balance of the gods we once had. Ayahuasca is the most important, she is still one of the strongest left, she has remained hidden in the Amazon, the lungs of the planet, and she tells us we are destroying our own ability to survive, the only thing we have left to communicate with the entities that have guided us from the dawn of time.

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Fear is the key. Division. Isolation. Isolation of each other, isolation from nature, isolation from the entities. It divides us on many levels, keeping families small, controlled, poorly educated. They try to punish everything which is different, spirituality, sexuality, harassing the poor, pitting everyone against each other in an insane need to "make more money" and destroy any chance they might have of gaining an insight, spirituality, a deeper understanding. There is the continued war on drugs, but why? A concerted effort to keep people from the psychedelics, especially that gateway entheogenic, which the call "dope". And how much artistry and intellect and pasion has been delivered to this world through the use of such plant products? Why the hatred of expanding consciousness? What are they afraid we might discover? What is so important that it must remain hidden, at all costs?

Why do all other spiritual practices and ideals focus so much on genuine love, peace and understanding, and above all, balance? Where is the umtimate centre of these ideas, why are they spread around and why do they co-exist so well with all the other practices? Why are they so less divisive, less aggressive, and why do they depend on our acceptance through knowledge and exploration, not through force and fear?

Why do the Christians and the Jews hate the Moslems so much? A deviation from the hierarchy. Islam is not hierarchical. It has the same spirit, but is out of control. It runs amok, it is apparently the same. But it is not, it is a deviation, a dangerous one. It has no controlling factor, no Vatican, to ensure the plan is kept.

The Vatican is a vast store of ancient knowledge. Kept hidden, deeply, from the rest of society. The history of Abrahamic religions is kept there under strict lock and key. What is so dangerous about this information that it must be kept, but kept away from the rest of society? What remains hidden in the store ?

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Reality Ideas by Daichura

History and general reality ideas

Our history is only partially known and partly real as far as we know. Our civilisation has risen and fallen numerous times, but how many?

At least two "advanced" civilisations have existed before us, with a huge amount of knowledge about how the world and universe works with access to other dimensions through the use of various means.The fact is that we exist in a multi dimensional reality but we are only usually percieving limited bits of it at any one time. In fact what we see now, with our eyes and our mind is trivial in comparision to what we were capable of. A specific religion came along and deliberately started eradicating valubable information again, just as we are starting to make some progress (2000 years ago)

The last advanced civilisation (ie akin to our modern world only different) was somewhere before the last ice age melt, so about 20 000 years plus. We lost a huge amount of valuable information about how the universe works and how our world works and our own capablities. We forgot a lot of stuff. Well most of us did. Secret groups kept the information alive. Whether they are capable or not of really understanding it and using it, *on the same level* as what it was originally, is unknown.

Human minds can create quantum reality events. I was wondering what it was that was the "transmitter" that effected our local space/time reality. It's the human mind. They use us as transmitters to alter reality, thereby turning us into ever more docile sheep disclocated from our multi dimensional nature...for what purpose?

And who are they? By locking off all other access to other dimensional entitites, one apparently or seemed to proclaim itself the one true and only god. This centralises the idea of faith wihtin the invidual that is external to them, that they are microbe and a lowly peasant to this grand entity. Where did this come from? Why? Is it really an entity that is pissed off and wants...access to this dimension? To alter the nature of our dimensional spectrum itself by using us as quantum reality emitters...create fake events to alter public consciousness, dumb down everything to surface level consumer driven satisfaction, generate panic and fear and create confusion and uncertainty, and you have a general public that is by and large seriously fucking anxious most of the time. And any access to any mind altering chemicals that might help advance society are locked off. We have to remain switched off for them to continue this really kinda dreary grinding version of reality. We know it. It shouldn't be like this. Something is wrong. Why aren't we living in a paradise of technological and community like star trek nicey niceness? We really should be. Why are we being isolated from the rest of the dimensional spectrum? from other beings? what is the end point of all of this?

Movies/Art/Subconcious

Information wants to be free
Despite the continued attempts to supress information on a key dimensional level, it seems to want to keep coming out, almost of its own accord. Key important points of our history's information is revealed frequently in media and entertainment, played out as a fantasy or a novelty, but like the "bible" and associated texts is actually information getting out on a subconscious level. The Bible for what it's worth can be pretty much interpreted as a warning or something, a message, of what this bullshit is and who started it, when they did it, what the point was and what its key points are, and what shit to look out for. It's saying "Hey took a look at these assholes. Be careful of them. The key points of all "religion" are isolation. To push us away from the natural world and potential dimentions. Something, some entity or entities are trying to dumb us down and keep us docile, but the ideas keep cropping up nonetheless. Actually "connected" individuals might be aware of a lot of this stuff pretty early on in the piece and see these mainstream things as being something as that's finally sinking into society's subconscious.

The Universe

Human Minds Create Real Events
Human minds can create quantum reality events. The Human mind is probably one of the most powerful things in existence, potentially. Individuals *on their own* can manifest whole realities *if one knows how.* It has nothing to do with educucation, or social standing, or any other trivial factor. A human that believes utterly in the "thing" they want will get it. There are limitations to this, or seemingly. One *probably* can't direclty control others for example. But you can *wish* for something as it were and get it. It might not be *that actual car you saw in the caryard* but it will be something better suited to you, that you'll love a whole lot more. That's how it works. There are billions, possibly trillions of potential quantum events opent to all humans.

The physical world is The Fabric.

All things that have living energy in them are connected to higher dimensions. The nature of our reality itself is not properly known at all. People feel "connected" to nature when they're in it, cos they actually are. They're surrounded by living energy, that helps them to connect to higher dimensions, if even on a very low level. It induces a sense of peacefulness and stillness becase we are *not* alone even when we are. And we know it on a day to day human subconcious level and it scares us.This is also a manipulation tool used by Them. The fabric is frustratingly and determined to resist our attempts at magic tricks and all that kind of silliness. We're much to serious for that now society, we don't believe in that. So we don't. And can't. Telekinesis? You can't really do that. Nice idea. Can't do it. Cos the Fabric is the Fabric. The nature of the actual *dimension* in which we live has changed, made heavier, and add to that our being switched off chemically in the brain (no access to other dimensions consciously) means we're stuck in a world that feels like trudging through concrete when we know in our dreams we can fly and be lift things with our minds.

Them Entities

The cruelty of Them or whatever they are knows absolutley no limits
They have no problem with creating the most abject misery possible, but it's a very pervasive and intrusive and extremely devious just like they are. They get inside your head. I think that might be the point. To manifest. Maybe.

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All this talk of Good vs Evil is inhibiting. It is created by those who wish to divide and control, those who wish to pursue an agenda. I see everything that is wrong in our world as a lack of balance. Shit would happen no matter what or who was destabilising our reality. If we just look at restoring the balance it is much less confronting. Something has destroyed the balance, one assumes for control. Control of others is destabilising, our species mimics our natural environment, where diversity is the key to evolution and development. Without diversity things cannot change, but there are always outside forces acting on everything. Pure entropy is nothing. Diversity allows nature to evolve and tackle external forces, allows continued survival. When a species loses diversity, it is a signal for the end. Our species is incredibly diverse and it has helped us survive.

Malign influences are not creative. Even the bible suggests this is true, Satan cannot create, he can only influence, divert the real agenda, create havoc. Creativity does not follow the rules, and it is those who seem most evil who are those who impose rules and hate diversity. We expunge creativity in favour of machine like work. Our economy is fake, it has no real function, it does not serve our species. Science does, and the economy subverts science. So what is the agenda of the economy? To control, to limit diversity, to channel all the wealth into the hands of the few.

Usury was illegal in ancient times. Islam rejects usury. Environmentalists reject the economy. Free thinkers hate the economy. It's function makes no sense, apart from chanelling all the resources towards people with little creativity and an agenda which requires yet more money into their hands. The controllers label us "terrorists" despite the lack of real terror on the population, we strike fear into the hearts of those who cannot accept diversity or a challenge to the current paradigm.

We can be creative and yet still have a sense of control, of caring for and understanding external influences, without it being enforced from outside. This lack of balance is inhibiting creativity, diversity, ideas. Our very economy is inhibiting evolution, destroying the fabric of nature, nature being the fabric of reality that we live in, were born into, created us.

It's not just "connecting with nature" a hippy ideal, living in the dirt. Nature is the fabric of our reality, it is alive and it is inherently connected to us. When we live in cities we are disconnected from that, but we are still connected to each other. But divorced from nature. Control is easier in these places, as our reality becomes induced by us alone. We create the reality around us, but it is being controlled by those who don't allow us diversity and creativity. It is like living in a prison, unable to communicate effectively with the surrounding beings around us, that live in and among and is, Nature. Nature is a multi-dimensional enity, or group of entities, and we are part of that, we are multi-dimensional beings too.

Our ability to communicate with these natural entities is diminished. As we destroy nature, even those that inhabit it are destroyed. Our links to the other dimensions are reduced. Our ability to perceive, our ability to learn how to communicate, is diminished. We can only communicate through special devices, plants which contain neurochemicals or chemicals which impact neurochemicals which are the transmitters and recievers for that communication. Deep within the Amazon we are immersed in that nature so deeply we are separated from human society and we spend days re-attuning ourself to the nature. Then we open communication channels, via an initiator, a device, plant chemicals, which then allow us to communicate.

Why are we so apparently alone in the universe? We use radio waves to try and find signals form other species. But this is primitive technology. Logically, speaking, we should be hearing heaps of civilisations. So why don't we? There are millions of planets out there, and logic suggests that they contain life. So why aren't we bombarded with the chatter of civilisations? Where are they? Why do we appear so alone in the universe where science states that this is so improbable that it's likely untrue?

Because they are communicating on another levels, using other dimensions as a channel. Linking in to the dimensions via nature, the basic fabric of the natural world. Taking in neurochemicals which allow them to link in, possibly not needing an initiating channel, linking in via chemicals already within the brain, the same chemicals we have to communicate. Chemicals which we have but don't know how to use, initiators of communication, "opening up the mind" to other dimensions and other communication. We have that function, it happens sporadically on it's own. Particularly towards death. Or when we meditate. Or when we create a drumming circle. Or when we try to astral travel, or try witchcraft, shamanism. Initiators help us begin that process and allow us to begin to learn, but do we really need them long term or can we learn to communicate without them? Numerous studies suggest that this is possible. Can we learn how to communicate with other entities who will make it clear that we rely on nature as the very fabric of the living universe, for communication, understanding, travel between the dimensions? Can we already travel to other planets, have we already done so and been unaware? On what deeper level is the communication so that we can actually understand what it is that the entities are telling us?

Most seem to initiate a response within us that brings us closer to nature, makes us love and want to protect it. We should listen to these voices and take action. If our primitive technology is destroying the very fabric of an advanced technology, life, nature, which already allows communication with other species and planetary, cross-dimensional travel, should we consider modifying our technology to be less destructive of the environment or even eschew it altogether?

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Natural forms contain life fabric, throughout the universe. The life energy force is endemic to our universe, science suggests that it will arise natually in millions of planets. There are many more substrates life could exist on. It might be seeded by advanced technologies. There are other dimensions life could exist within. It seems that it does.

Our civilisation is smashing the life fabric of the universe. It is inherently destructive and fearful of nature. It tries to break it down and control it, turning it into concrete, lifeless, devoid fabric, in a mimicry that it hates yet is compelled to try.

We must assume that other entities out there are older, more advanced technologically than us. We cannot be the oldest, science suggests that. We are also not the only species here. So by destroying the fabric of communication, of travel, we are destroying the only chance we have of evolving and becoming free throughout the universe.

Life creates. It recycles. It changes constantly. It re-uses all the matter available and recycles constantly. It takes non-living objects (rocks) and turns them into minerals which it can re-use, and grow.

We take life forces and turn them into non-living matter. We take a tree and turn it into wood. We take minerals and turn them into concrete, plastic, which cannot be used by nature. Nature is slowing dying as we take all the useful resources and turn them into objects that will never degrade into something else.

It is as if nature is a vast technology, a technology of vast diversity and growth. It takes inanimate matter and turns it into something useful. It recycles, grows, evolves, ever changing into greater diversity. When left alone, nature would spill out into the universe away from our planet, using spores to travel through the three dimensions into other worlds. Using other dimensions we can't even perceive yet. Perhaps nature is seeding itself throughout the universe without us being aware of it.

The Garden of Eden is a metaphor. The Garden of Eden is nature herself. The Garden of Eden allows us to survive, it provides us with food, air, the ability to communicate with other entities, the ability to travel, to learn. We stepped outside of the Garden of Eden by losing understanding. We are still there, but we don't know where it is, because we can't see it. We are now intent on dismantling the Garden of Eden while, with our own primitive understanding, trying to recreate it using living matter and turning it into dead matter. It must inevitably fail.

Why were we cast out of the Garden of Eden? The bible story of the tree of knowledge, says that we learned about reality and were cast out. Or that we wanted that knowledge for ourselves. Someone had a tantrum. They decided we were questioning the great order of life, and cast us out. Now we no longer have that intrinsic ability to understand that we had, we have become intent on destruction. We have no guiding force, the balance of communication with other entities, as always, means we are lonely and alone, a force which has no guiding principles and no love for the fabric of reality. We are the wild card, the joker in the pack.

We were cast out, but we still retained the knowledge of other entities. We still had primitive forms of communication, through plant spirits, through drumming circles, through mediatation, through spending time with nature devoid of contact with other human spirits. Then later on someone was contacted by a single entity, encouraged to worship that we were told only to worship one spirit entity over the over-riding balance of all others. "Worship none other than myself". This has only served to divorce us still further from the Garden of Eden, the fabric of life, and has ended up in our almost total loss of understanding of the importance of the Garden of Eden and made it our plaything, to destroy and dismember, still further setting us apart and alone from the rest of the universe.

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The universe conforms to the paradigm we create. Not the other way around.

I am sure of this. If there are enough people who believe something, then it becomes. Hence the battle for our consciousness.

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Would that truth hold for other entities also?

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What i don't likeabout the bible is ' it isn't my native religion', that part of my culture has been forcibly removed somewhere along theline and this jewish lie has replaced what i am sure would have been a much more in line with nature beleif. The biggest problem is this jewish story book is running the world with the jewish in the background pulling all the strings. 'In god we trust' phhhhhn!!!! I beleive in something greater, but it isn't the tyrant god of the jewish bible story, one that gives free will thenpunishes you for using it, what a crock, cast out of eden baaaaaaah, they set up mining companies to destroy it....

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On a side issue which we will probably explore later, the issue of multiple people having the same hallucination, or otherworldly experience, should be taken more seriously. I have discussed this before, and I think scientific experiments should be done regarding this. Suffice to say, myself and numerous other people have experienced phenomena which cannot be explained very easily, but involved seeing otherworldly things at the same time as someone else, both with the aid of cognitive-enhancing substances and also not under any obvious influence (these are more likely referred to as "psychic" experiences but are probably one and the same thing). I have just been reading an article over at The Guardian which discussed hallucinations in space, and I found this joint experience quite interesting - put down offhandedly as hallucinations brought about by stress. But a hallucination shared by the entire crew?

"In 1976, crew from the Russian Soyuz-21 mission were brought back to Earth early after they reported an acrid smell aboard the Salyut-5 space station. Concerns about a possible fluid leak meant the replacement crew boarded with breathing equipment, but no odour or technical problems were found. Subsequent reports of “interpersonal issues” and “psychological problems” in the crew led Nasa to conclude the odour was probably a hallucination."

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/05/hallucinations-isolation-astronauts-mental-health-space-missions

We have numerous stories of Amazonian tribes using substances to create shared experiences, and it might be that exploring this as a genuine phenomena by itself will reveal a lot more about the possibility of what we are experiencing, as individual experiences are so easily dismissed as "hallucinations" or general perturbation of the brain which do not really mean anything.

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Great Flood Myth

Generally speaking, there appears to be no evidence of a global flood inundating the land, upon which the many great flood myths base their story. Interestingly, however, if you go far enough back in time, there was a "great flood" which impacted very large areas across the globe. At the end of the last Ice Age, when the ice melted, the existing sea level was much lower than today. And still today, we build our major settlements largely at the shorelines - which is a potential problem for us now as the sea levels rise from global warming.

Now, the sea level rises would have to be greater than today's for people to become concerned, and I'm not sure how fast the ice age ended, but lets assume here that it was severe enough for people to need to take action, but not so severe that they didn't have time to build a ship or a raft to carry your most important worldly possessions.

Now what I'm aiming at here, is that if the great flood myth is pushed back to 10,000 years or so ago, it raises some interesting questions about the start of global civilization. For one, we must have had settlements that were not easy to move quickly, which suggests relatively advanced technology of cities i.e. stone masonry and the like, which cannot be moved easily.

It also suggests that we had the technology to build rather large ships at this point, ships which could remain on the ocean for weeks at a time, suggesting the ability for ocean going travel. Or perhaps a giant raft, which adds in to the squarish dimensions of some of the ships described.

And lastly, the part of the biblical myth which doesn't quite make sense, that of leading all the animals on two by two. Now, as we know, the number of animals on this planet is pretty large, and most would be hard to catch. Unless they were domesticated. Which means that the sheer quantity of animals would be reduced down to pairs of the finest breeding stock. Seeds etc would also have been stored on the ship.

So this pushes back advanced agriculture, ship building, construction and engineering to before the end of the last ice age, well before our modern myths would have us believe. The great floods could have meant the end of the last great civilization, in fact, as Atlantis was inundated by the waves, it and the technologies of that era could have largely been lost to the rising seas, except for the few places e.g. Egypt, the Pyramids of the Maya and those of South East Asia, and so on, which still remain.

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You should check out the thunderbolts project channel on youtube, and by check out I mean open up all of the playlists (open new tab on the name of the playlist, not play all) and give yourself several long sessions to start soaking it in. Even ask me for recommended viewing along your topic of choice. Although their main goal is an overhaul of cosmology, astronomy and physics, their dissenting ideas offer a different perspective on the history of humans and the planet. Since they support evidence based natural philosophy outside of institutional science they've also offered a bit of a platform for Rupert Sheldrake and others challenging the neurological origin of consciousness. On that mote I'd love your or anyone's contribution in my doth conscious thread.

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Doth Conciousness thread? I never saw that.

I'm checking out the thunderbolts thing I'm rather enjoying the process of coming up with some of these ideas with what I already know, and then exploring deeper the evidence and making further extrapolations. Testing out ideas and scenarios with a clean(ish) slate, as it were

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ABSTRACT

Morphological observation and measurements of endocasts have played a vital role in research on the evolution of the human brain. However, endocasts have never been used to investigate how the human brain has evolved since the Neolithic period. We investigated the evolution of the human brain during the Holocene by comparing virtual endocasts from Beiqian site (a Neolithic Chinese site) and a sample of Chinese modern-day humans. Standardized measurements and indices were taken to provide quantification of the overall endocast shape, including the length, breadth, height, frontal breadth, and the ratio of frontal breadth to breadth, as well as the cranial capacity. We found that the height of the endocasts and cranial capacity have decreased between our two samples, whereas the frontal breadth and sexual dimorphism have increased. We argue that these changes can be caused by random genetic mutation and epigenetic change in response to changes in the environment. Am J Phys Anthropol 154:94–103, 2014. © 2014 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.

So, since the end of the last ice age, when the gods left us and we stopped building the pyramidal and megalithic architecture, and when mushroom use began to decline (see McKenna's theory of mushroom use increasing the size of the brain) it may be that our species is actually getting less intelligent. But but, tool use, blah blah. But indeed, our ability to understand spiritual concepts has waned significantly and has culminated in the Abrahamic religions take over the world consciousness.

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According to my calculations, the rate of ice melt under normal circumstances is problematic, it seems almost too slow for anyone to bother building arcs, species would move inland, and remnants of the flooded civilisation would have been more easily saved. However, Graham Hancock thinks the rate was very fast, and this is his post from his Facebook account explaining why (one reason why I still keep Facebook :) )

THE FINGERPRINT OF A GLOBAL CATACLYSM 12,800 YEARS AGO
The graphic shows the vast swathe of our planet that geologists call the Younger Dryas Boundary Field. Across this huge "fingerprint" spanning North America, Central America, parts of South America and most of Europe, the tell-tale traces of multiple impacts by the fragments of a giant comet have been found. Some of these fragments, were TWO KILOMETRES or more in diameter and they hit the earth like a blast from a cosmic scatter-gun around 12,800 years ago. This was near the end of the last Ice Age, from which our world had been emerging into a pleasant warming phase, but the impacts set in train a kind of "nuclear winter" and plunged the planet back into a period of deep cold and darkness that lasted until around 11,500 years ago. It is this period of extreme cold that is referred to as the Younger Dryas (after a characteristic Alpine tundra wildflower, Dryas octopetala) but it is only now, with conclusive evidence of the comet impact, that we can be sure what caused it. For the past seven years academics have been involved in such an intense dispute about whether or not a comet impact actually occurred 12,800 years ago that the implications of what it might have meant for the story of civilisation have not yet been considered at all. But every attempt to refute the impact evidence has in turn been refuted and the case for the Younger Dryas comet is now so compelling that it is time to widen the debate. It is clear now that some of the largest fragments of the comet hit the North American ice cap, which was still a mile deep 12,800 years ago, and caused cataclysmic flooding (I had the opportunity to explore some of the extraordinary effects of this on the ground in September 2014 when I drove from Portland, Oregon, to Minneapolis, Minnesota, with catastrophist researcher Randall Carlson). Simultaneously other large fragments hit the northern European ice cap with the same cataclysmic effects. The result was a global disaster that lasted for 1,300 years. It is, I believe, the "smoking gun" that made us a species with amnesia and wiped out almost all traces of a former high civilisation of prehistoric antiquity. But there were survivors, who preserved at least some of the knowledge of the civilisation that had been destroyed with the intention of transmitting it to future generations, so it is not an accident that the first traces of the re-emergence of civilisation, in the form of the earliest known megalithic architecture and the re-promulgation of agricultural skills, occur at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey 11,500 years ago -- a date that coincides exactly with the end of the Younger Dryas and the return to a more congenial global environment. Everything we have been taught about the origins of civilisation occurs AFTER 11,500 years ago -- in other words AFTER the radical punctuation mark of the Younger Dryas. It is what happened before that we desperately need to recover. These are amongst the mysteries that I am exploring in "Magicians of the Gods", the book that I have been researching for the past three years and am now in the midst of writing.

Graphic from Kinzie, Firestone, Kennett et al. "Nanodiamond-Rich Layer across Three Continents Consistent with Major Cosmic Impact at 12,800 Cal BP", The Journal of Geology, 2014, volume 122, p. 475–506.

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So how old exactly is the human race? According to modern science, evolutionary theory, DNA testing, fossil records, and so on, our evolutionary timeline is somewhat more confusing than was previously thought. Of course, evidence is patchy at best, but following this kind of thinking I have sort of fitted together the following.

NOTE: This does not discount in any way the theory that humans were seeded or developed by aliens, as DNA timelines might well be disturbed by genetic modification, though it is unlikely that they would have planted evidence in weird places in the fossil record, as some creationists believe god did with dinosaurs etc.

Modern Humans and the Human sub-species dilemma: did the original humans live in a global civilisation and speciate out globally from Africa over 1 million years ago, before our own sub-species again evolved and moved out of Africa and eliminated or absorbed the other groups?

I refer to them as sub-species, as it appears that the hominid lines were interbreeding until some time after the time modern humans first left Africa, and did so with Homo sapiens until they disappeared from the fossil record approximately 40,000 years ago..

There are currently 4 well known sub-species of human that lived globally and contemporaneously over the last 200,000 years or so, and a few startling DNA finds which suggest there were more. They don't always have the genus Homo stated, I have assumed this myself from what I understand a species actually is - a group of similar organisms that can readily interbreed. These four groups are as follows:

Homo sapiens - first appearance in Africa, spread out 50-60,000 years ago. First appears in fossil records 200,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

Homo neanderthalensis, or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. DNA differs by 0.12% from modern humans, first appears in fossil records about 3 to 400,000 years ago. Appears to have died out 10-20,000 after humans purportedly left Africa, although a small amount of DNA appears in all Homo sapiens outside of Africa, showing that interbreeding occurred between the sub-species. New evidence suggest H. neanderthalis were crafting tools and making art at the time of H. sapiens first appearance in the fossil record. Neanderthals are assumed to have died out around 40,000 years ago.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/neanderthals-had-culture-were-artists-and-smart-study-says-1.9843950

Homo floriensis, in Indonesia, first appears in the fossil record 94,000 years ago and may have been alive as little as 13,000 years ago. Suggestions have been made that H. floriensis and H. sapiens may have lived closely together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

Denisova hominins (Homo denisovensis - my name), first appears in the fossil record over 400,000 years ago and mitochondrial DNA evidence suggest the group first separated from Humans and Neanderthals about 1,000,000 years ago. However, Denisovan DNA is shared in particular with Melanesians and Aboriginal Australians, in greater amounts than Neanderthal DNA, and the group appears to have lived in Asia until around 41,000 years ago, but evidence suggests they may also have interbred with Homo neanderthalis in Europe.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/denisova.html

Unknown hominid lines

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/did-fishermen-find-evidence-unknown-group-primitive-humans-180954054/?utm_source=facebook.com&no-ist

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/12/131204-human-fossil-dna-spain-denisovan-cave/#close-modal

Elongated Paracan Skulls (sketchy evidence but intriguing initial DNA results)

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/initial-dna-analysis-paracas-elongated-skull-released-incredible

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So get this. WE DO NOT MAKE SENSE.

Bear with me as I try to explain. 1 million years ago, Homo devisoniensis separated from the rest of the groups. Two hominid lines developed, one which became Devisonians, the other Neanderthals. And maybe a few others like Homo floriensis, which is distinctly different again. I don't know the DNA lineage of these guys, do they contain Devisonian DNA or Neanderthal DNA?

In the meantime, for approximately 780,000 years, an entirely separate group lived in Africa, a gnats breath from Neanderthals at least, and we didn't interbreed with anyone else, before apparently developing intelligence quite separately from anyone else, and suddenly exploded 140,000 years later out of Africa, breeding with the Neanderthals and Devisonians until we reached Australia (where the indigenous people are supposed to have up to 7.5% DNA which isn't strictly Homo sapiens any more), wiping everyone out as we went.

Does that sound likely to you?

We were a global species a million years ago. how and why did one group manage to isolate themselves for the vast majority of the time before developing intelligence separately from the other groups and suddenly taking over the planet while still managing to breed with other groups they hadn't had contact with for nearly a million years?

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On the subject of catastrophism (referring to a violent routing of humanity approx 12000 years ago), more conventional streams of thought will defer to something like a meteor strike. I don't think this was the case, although it may have played a later role.

Cant comment much about the more recent post about the homos. I do remember some evidence last year throwing confusion onto the presumed origins or timeline of floriensis.

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just a weak association....watching a doc this eve on the ancient stone structures of Ireland & France, dating 5k - 7k? years ago.

An interesting point, the early period (1st) were underground, even if built on mountain tops, you'd enter them & be entering earth.

Then almost overnight the people stopped using them, & built celestial structures, like Stone Henge.

The theory presented & supported by peat persevered tree rings from this period showing 2 repeated periods of severe world wide cooling for 2 decades, not volcanism but potentially a close encounter with a comet causing high elevation dust shading. Empires fell internationally ...

Anyway the 1st stage was Mother earth worship, (the 1st farmers, the earth was generous etc)....then came from the sky catastrophe, crop lost, massive die off, Hence Earth gods suck ..Sky gods rule...hence a new celestial focus.

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Wasnt 12k years ago around about the last ice age? Do remember Graham hancock in one of his books talking about global flood myths which i guess makes sense with all the melting ice/glaciers after the last ice age assuming most settlements were and or around coastal areas would be devastating with the sea level rise.

There was some interesting developments in research in regards in Neanderthal culture in the past few years the consensus for the most part was something like they had rudimentary language/cultural/societal & tool making development but some finds tools etc with artistic like engravings etc denote the use of artistic symbolism relating to cultural/spiritual belief/practice which perhaps leads to the thought that they might have been more culturally advanced than previously given credit for also the ideas around there hunting practices ie from being scavengers too apex predators which obviously denotes a degree of social and communicative skill/organisation.

Forsure WW there are still huge gaps in our understanding of the development of our species, although there could be some possible explanations such as continent/tectonic plate/ movements/ drift, climate pressures / changing bio-regions/ecosystems conflict/migration etc not that im saying this is in any way an explanation for certain but could account for some of the diffusion/evolutionary pressures etc. In regards to concrete evidence (skeletons/bones) too give credence to any definitive theory im not so sure it will be forthcoming as such not to say we cant or will grasp a more clear cut picture in time.

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I doubt there was little difference of intelligence between Neanderthal & Sapian.......Possible variations in different abilities due to greater cellular mass of different brain areas. Neanderthals having greater brain mass than us, would have higher functioning abilities associated with those areas, We obviously had advantages in different ways, which could be anything...even a readiness to murder might have given us a significant advantage....still works for us today...just consider colonization.........an old an ancient art of stealing from your neighbour.

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I'm far too lazy to write up everything that's run through my brain while reading this thread. So I'll nutshell...

Consider the Indus Valley civilisation which was supposedly over 10,000 years old. They claim of sky gods and UFO's (vipasanas?). Perhaps one of the human species evolved technologically to either make ships of the sky (Atlantean flying ships, the Dogon sky god vessels, Tezcatlipoca, God's chariot held up by angels with four wings each, etc etc, myths are full of these similarities), or maybe they were spiritually evolved and were Merkabas of sorts (also possibly "God's" chariot which took Enoch (now the archangel Metatron), Elijah taken up to the heavens though not having died etc) either or both could be possible. If Humanoid evolution continues at an infinite pace then even these advanced civilisations wouldn't have been without human issues - greed, power, coveting etc. Perhaps one of these "advanced" human species interbred with other "lesser" species - the biblical Sons of God laying with the Daughters of Men; perhaps power and resource-greedy "advanced" species raping and pillaging of the Children of Earth.

Human evolution (and I think evolution of any life form really) literally cannot happen without destruction to energise the alchemy needed to create a New Thing. From Chaos arises Erebus. Ourobouros. Again the myths outnumber the few I can offhand think of. One cannot make Two without the ripping apart of the One. Think of mitosis in cell reproduction. When a cell multiplies without the necessary death (or constraint) of it's growth it becomes cancer. What causes cancer inherantly? DNA destruction. What can damage DNA? Light. Too much light. Maybe Light (/spirituality) increasing too quickly causes a cancerous evolutionary byproduct. When the human (material) vessel cannot handle so much spirituality without the capability of mediating human restrictions, a natural slowing down of unwanted evolution will happen to avoid disaster. IF this does happen too quickly, then maybe our own "advancement" will inevitably be our own undoing (nuclear war etc).

According to the tibetan book of the dead we see our angels and demons upon reflection of our lives (*nutshelling remember). Then there never has been one God outside any creationary singularity which some may call God (in a non Abrahamic sense). We are our own God and our own Devil. Thus there is no external evil in the world (media, Bilderbergs etc), and our reaction either positively or negatively is the only reaction which will have any justification and reaction to the evolution at large. Eg. the many faces of Shiva. Perhaps the dance of Brahma is only an example of just one human soul's evolution throughout time? I'm not so sure myself that there isn't a Brahma "above" our own who dreamt us; created us; loves us with a greater understanding of the cyclical nature of Nature. When do Our dreams evolve? When will my Brahma create many Brahma who go on to create ever more? Pearls of milk in the infinite nature of the Cosmos. We are all connected; how can we not be? As someone said "try to stop breathing, see how far you get without the help of the Outside". Whoever said that put it far more eloquently lol.

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So. If we came out of Africa and spread around the world, about 40,000 years ago we arrived in Australia. So they say. But, the Pacific Islanders had small amounts of Devisonian DNA in their makeup, and the Indigenous Australians more.. Which suggests to me, the Devisonians were already in the Pacific Islands and the arrival of the more quickly breeding humans meant interbreeding with the already extant Devisonians, which died out as a pure breed but lives on in the DNA.

Homo sapiens more slowly expanded through Australia and the extant humans (Devisonians) were not bred out as a pure breed until much later, hence the greater quantity of Devisonian DNA in Indigenous Australians.

Perhaps, the Devisonians, breeding less rapidly, were able to create less damage to the environment and keep a better integration with it, while Homo sapiens tend to cause more destruction by reproducing much more quickly.

It seems highly likely that 2 millions years of sentient humanoids on the planet would have given them enough time to populate even the more inaccessible areas, so when so-called modern humans arrived here, humans were already living here. The DNA evidence certainly suggests so.

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Oh yes, and the honeybee is a huge anomaly in the insect world. It appears to have no wild relative, it does not revert to type when released into the wild (as it invariably does), it is estimated to have been bred for millennia (a very loose estimate), and it produces copious amounts of honey, far more than it ever needs, and continues to do so even when it has spent generations being untended by humans. It has a highly complex social and communication structure, more so than most other insects. And it appears to have originated in East Africa, close to where modern humans are supposed to have originated. Suggesting, once again, the ability to manipulate nature (and by extension, agriculture with different animals and plants) has been with us for and extremely long time.

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I'm far too lazy to write up everything that's run through my brain while reading this thread. So I'll nutshell...

Consider the Indus Valley civilisation which was supposedly over 10,000 years old. They claim of sky gods and UFO's (vipasanas?). Perhaps one of the human species evolved technologically to either make ships of the sky (Atlantean flying ships, the Dogon sky god vessels, Tezcatlipoca, God's chariot held up by angels with four wings each, etc etc, myths are full of these similarities), or maybe they were spiritually evolved and were Merkabas of sorts (also possibly "God's" chariot which took Enoch (now the archangel Metatron), Elijah taken up to the heavens though not having died etc) either or both could be possible. If Humanoid evolution continues at an infinite pace then even these advanced civilisations wouldn't have been without human issues - greed, power, coveting etc. Perhaps one of these "advanced" human species interbred with other "lesser" species - the biblical Sons of God laying with the Daughters of Men; perhaps power and resource-greedy "advanced" species raping and pillaging of the Children of Earth.

I'm sort of leaning towards Sky Gods being of this fabric dimension. There are too many stories, creation myths, etc. to completely ignore. While I favour evolution as a real phenomena, there is no reason to discount the possibility of external manipulation. It may be that humans were genetically manipulated at some point in the past. The "Five Ages of Human" - where the first is invariable an exceptionally long time of peace and prosperity, "The Garden of Eden" etc. where people are long-lived and the gods even more so. A great cataclysm happened at some point, the gods left, and things have been slowly going downhill from there.

I'm fascinated by the fact that we don't seem to be able to detect any alien species - our mathematicians have determined the likelihood of other life is extraordinarily high. Have we a barrier around us or is the way we communicate so vastly different it is incomprehensible to us, or we simply can't detect it yet? Clearly some information gets through, but.. where are the others?

I am getting the impression we were some kind of "uplifted" species (see David Brin) and somehow we managed to gain knowledge we didn't quite grasp or understand fully - created an unexpected cataclysm and were "cast out" or left alone, for reasons it's not quite clear. Perhaps we even made a choice to go it alone, or rebelled against our masters. It might be that we have been cut off, perhaps even dimensionally, hence our decreased ability to detect other life forms outside our 3-dimensional fabric.

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Not sure if this guy has been mentioned, but a geologist right into cataclysmic events that happened in earths past, has worked with Graham Hancock as well.

Very very interesting dude.

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