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Shame everything is so slow.  My grandmother is currently undergoing chemotherapy and doesn't have access to cannabis.  Instead they are treating her with methadone and a dopamine antagonist for nausea.  

 

Both of these aren't good and doses could be potentially eliminated or reduced in conjunction with THC.  

 

Fuck the  archaic legislative process.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-20/former-top-cops-want-white-market-in-illicit-drugs/8369102

 

Positive, but it's always the 'former' person, not the current. Thanks for talking sense after the fact guys, when you've got nothing to lose, but we're in need of some balls here.

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 But but.... Australia is indoctrination state #1

Lol

 

so good that around the world is slowly making change. I'm sure they won't try it here until their fully preped with GMO 'medical' buds.

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Has anyone heard of Dr Carl Hart? He has quite a portfolio of talks on the net (some links below). 25+ years of neuropharma research, he's one of NIDA's (and the world's) top researchers into the effects of drugs on the human brain. In a nutshell his message... "Everything you thought you knew about drugs and their effects on the human brain is wrong."  He's kinda like an African American version of Professor David Nutt...:)

 

His message will be a very powerful tool because the data from his research and his review of ALL previous research relating to drug effects tell a very different story to the bullshit we are continually fed. He's also taking a very different approach in an effort to help end the war on drugs (users); he's aimed his role as educator at the public, not the government.

 

Some of his talks run for a bit, but well worth listening to completely and there are many more including a couple of appearances with Joe Rogan and one with London Real.

 

 

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/federal-prosecutors-question-neuroscientist-and-concede-marijuanas-medical-benefits

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiX2dm9v5vTAhWBwJQKHRHsCisQtwIILjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do97xuEtbkKg&usg=AFQjCNFlPbeSUD1EK6dTHaLUWR3Omxqjag&bvm=bv.152180690,d.dGo

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiX2dm9v5vTAhWBwJQKHRHsCisQFggxMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdrcarlhart.com%2Fted-talk-everything-you-think-you-know-about-drugs-is-wrong%2F&usg=AFQjCNGauc2ld8jBw87OVagxwN8hJnPdNg&bvm=bv.152180690,d.dGo

 

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi99s2KwpvTAhUKjZQKHfPEC64QtwIIITAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM6CSc4nl--Q&usg=AFQjCNHkBwjlBCiG4-aTMpn8l9glJ5ELUA&bvm=bv.152180690,d.dGo

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/richard-nixon-used-america-s-war-on-drugs-as-excuse-to-target-anti-war-left-and-black-people-claims-a6948521.html

 

^This is why we need to move away from prohibition. We are following the lead of fucking idiots from decades ago who, at the time, knew they were being fucking idiots :blink:

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The truth hardly matters anymore.

 

Not even Hitler used chemical weapons after all.

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Go Canada! :) :bong:

 

http://hightimes.com/news/canada-long-awaited-cannabis-legalization-bill-introduced/

 

On Thursday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau introduced legislation to legalize the recreational use of cannabis in Canada, following through on a campaign pledge and ending a long wait by advocates and entrepreneurs.

The new law would allow adults 18 and over to possess or share up to 30 grams of dried herbaceous cannabis and to purchase cannabis or cannabis oil from retailers, to be regulated at the provincial level. Canadians will also be allowed to grow up to four plants per residence for personal use and to prepare legal cannabis products at home. Cannabis-infused edibles are to be available for sale after the regulatory framework is developed and brought into force.

“If your objective is to protect public health and safety and keep cannabis out of the hands of minors, and stop the flow of profits to organized crime, then the law as it stands today has been an abject failure,” Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale told a news conference, according to the Canadian Press. “Police forces spend between $2 billion and $3 billion every year trying to deal with cannabis, and yet Canadian teenagers are among the heaviest users in the western world… we simply have to do better.”

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^ I reckon this stuff will become more and more prevalent as this year progresses, until magically some bright spark will proposition for their state. The rest will be history.

 

2017 is the year, and I don't mind if it doesn't turn out and people call me on it, but I won't rub it in if I'm right. I'll just laugh while I look at you through demon-red bloodshot eyes :wink:

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I can't remember exactly how many years ago (7 I think) that Richard Branson got in front of the UN and spoke about the need to decriminalise drugs and remove the negative taboo that has been created on them. Apparently there was an 8 year plan to have all countries decriminalise (some? All? I dunno) drugs and restructure the medical side of things. I don't really follow much news these days and you couldn't pay me to watch TV so I dunno how it's all going. But I'd say things have changed. But this is Australia and we have a loooooooooong way to go with lots of issues. But educate a mind a day and maybe we all won't see grey. 

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Look Australia will have full legalisation within 3 years no matter what. The Australian government is greedy and will exploit anything for a profit.They are just getting everything up to speed so it won't hurt businesses.

 soon work cover insurance companies will require a drug test to be preformed at every incident they will make it a company policy. 

the roadside drug testing puts out enough fear to stop you driving after a few cones. Oh and let's not forget the long term unemployed we will have to drug test them so we can't let them enjoy legalisation. 

 

Then she's home and hosed fellas the politicians Jew mates can make a small fortune.

Advance Australia Fair.

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It's interesting to note, studies into the effects of driving under the influence of cannabis show a couple of things which most would find surprising and many more would refuse to disbelieve.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

At the very least this serves to further highlight the stupidity of laws regarding the legal status of alcohol and cannabis.

 

(RC, I often find  myself transfixed by your avatar. It is incredibly relaxing to watch.)

 

 

 

 

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This is short 26 min extract from the full hearing (below).

 

 

To me this vid epitomizes the fact the legal status of cannabis has nothing to do with health and everything to do with money and power, and clearly shows us why the debate still exists. The discourse is littered with blatant subterfuge and obfuscation. Since this hearing, I believe Professor Hart has now changed his position to support legalization of all drugs.

 

(The Australian government currently spends about AU$1.7 billion on the illicit (excludes alcohol and tobacco) drug problem. This amount equates to 0.13% of GDP, and 0.8% of all government spending, or less than $100.00 per citizen. Of the two things most needed to help those with illicit drug problems, about $156 million is directed at prevention and $36 million to harm reduction. Treatment gets $362 million and law enforcement, $1.2 billion. Education gets some apportionment of the remaining $23 million.)

 

Professor Hart is a neuroscientist and educator who advocates for drug policy based on scientific evidence, truth and justice.

 

Dr Volkow: Current director of The National Institute of Drug Abuse (NIDA), appointed to this post by President George W. in 2003. As director she is tasked with ensuring the effective translation, implementation, and dissemination of scientific research findings to improve the prevention and treatment of substance use disorders and enhance public awareness of addiction as a brain disorder (emphasis added). This is an interesting directive, given the last 40 years of research has presented no scientific evidence to support the "addiction is a brain disease" model. Her agency has an annual budget in excess of a US$1 billion.

 

Dr. Throckmorton: Deputy Director for Regulatory Programs for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). He shares the responsibility for overseeing the regulation of research, development, manufacture and marketing of prescription, over-the-counter, and generic drugs in the United States. He is committed to ensuring that the benefits of approved drugs outweigh their known risks. The FDA's Regulatory Program's department has an annual budget in excess of US$4.3 billion.

 

I'll leave everyone to make up their own minds about these two individuals' and their respective agencies' real agenda(s). I'm too biased to even get into a conversation with people about it most of the time because I have a very difficult time controlling my anger over the issue. They're speaking bullshit. They know they're speaking bullshit and we know they're speaking bullshit. They continue to speak bullshit despite scientific evidence which exposes their bullshit. The most I will concede, (and only under extreme duress and with an incredibly weak attempt to offset my bias), is perhaps they truly believe the bullshit they peddle. I think it more likely they maintain their rhetoric in order to secure their prestigious positions of power, propagate the war on drugs and ensure the continued flow of money in their direction.

 

I'm sure there is an irony in this; their continued sprouting of bullshit in the face of evidence could very well be used as an example of addiction. (I may stand corrected on the definition of "irony", but I'm pretty confident with "bullshit")

 

As Senator Gerry Connolly repeatedly points out, the regulations regarding cannabis are incredibly skewed despite all evidence. The information now freely available about both negatives and positives of cannabis abound. The almost fanatical zeal with which these regulations are defended almost screams there's something else to it. What are they really scared of? Given the amount of political donations and lobbying against cannabis law reform by big pharma, the private health sector, law enforcement and prison guard unions, the private prison sector and the alcohol industry, perhaps they should be dragged before congress to help shed some light. 

 

Full 2+hr hearing

 

 

Dr_Carl_Hart_Congressional_Testimony_6_20_2014.mp4

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-30/medicinal-cannabis-access-fewer-than-150-people-senate-estimates/8571176?section=health

 

More bullshit about processed and synthesised medicine and fickle access. Looks like we are actually walking in the footsteps of Canada, and not the US on this one atm. They had a really shitty access scheme there for a while, with lots of doctors refusing to prescribe it, and patients having to travel vast distances for piddly amounts.

 

Gotta let the doctors make sure it's safe though aye, with all the OD's and that...? They know everything, or at least we have to pretend like they do, right?

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I think that people keep ignoring cannabis as a non issue because the laws aren't really harsh for possession, ignoring all the harm criminal records do to people.

 

A conservative 50 something doesn't care that you received a $500 fine for possession.

 

NORML ran an excellent campaign on this showing all the harm these laws do outside of the fines people receive.

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Have a look at the QLD Health web site regarding doctors prescribing... It really is worth trying to read through it in order to really understand just how hard they're making it to get access to MC.

 

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/public-health/topics/medicinal-cannabis/clinicians/prescribing#qh

 

 

Here's a "brief" outline

 

Initial consultation
Provide clinical evidence
Queensland Health approval
Find a product
TGA approval
Import/export licence and permit
Report patient progress

 

Now when you read through what has to be satisfied at each step, most doctors are just not going to spend the time doing this. Average time most GP's have for a  consult is about 6 to 10 minutes. The time taken to complete the consult dictated by state health would take at least 30 minutes, but would most likely come closer to an hour. Steps 2 to 6 will take anywhere from 2 months to "god knows how long", given you are dealing with the efficiency (ineptitude) of an Australian government department.

 

And before a doctor can even consider prescribing, here's the prerequisite:

 

The authorized single-patient prescriber must:

participate in product education prior to the initial administration of the product and remain up-to-date with evidence based practice (if possible or available)

ensure the medicinal cannabis product is stored in accordance with the manufacturers specifications and meets  the requirements of the security standard if they are dispensing the medication from their practice

prepare a medicinal cannabis management plan (if they are dispensing) under the medicinal cannabis approval

notify Queensland Health when a medicinal cannabis management plan is made, by submitting the notification form

comply with the requirements of the medicinal cannabis approval (including but not limited to): 


not dispense medicinal cannabis for medicinal purposes to any unapproved patient.
not exceed the approved maximum daily dose in accordance with that specified in the medicinal cannabis approval.
not vary the approved route of administration.
not vary the medicinal cannabis product without the relevant approvals.

 

conduct a medication review prior to initiating medicinal cannabis for therapeutic purposes and in any reassessment of the patient(s) receiving medicinal cannabis.

retain a copy of the all relevant documented approvals to prescribe medicinal cannabis in the patient’s clinical record.

report any adverse events to the TGA and to the State, as specified in their respective regulations and/or approvals
include processes to identify any misuse/abuse/diversion by the patient in any reassessment of patient(s) receiving cannabis for medical purposes.

clinically reassess the patient as to the appropriateness of treatment at least once every 3 months, or more frequently if required. 
Compare the outcome with the stated goal of treatment to determine whether treatment with medicinal cannabis should continue

advise the patient that if their medicinal cannabis product contains THC then they cannot drive or operate heavy machinery.

provide a treatment report to the chief executive at 3 monthly intervals

comply with any conditions imposed on a TGA approval relating to the medicinal cannabis product (s) being used

Other conditions may apply, depending on individual cases.

 

Not surprisingly, none of the doctors I have spoken to in my area (7) are prepared to go through this process.

 

 

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What the fuck!?

 

So ridiculous. Jeez, I wonder what the process for getting something lethal, with a high potential for abuse and addiction must be like...

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Of ALL other medications general practitioners can prescribe, nothing comes close to this level of regulation. I spoke to one oncologist who made the comparison with prescribing one of the most toxic chemo drugs called Doxorubicin, widely used for treating breast and bladder cancer, lymphoma and leukemia. It is less arduous to prescribe the chemo drug. He "suggested" the regulations surrounding MC prescription was quite simply to discourage widespread use as much as possible by making it so difficult to effect.

 

And here's how nice this chemo drug is; side effects often include hair loss, vomiting, rashes, bone marrow suppression, mouth ulcers, serious allergic reactions, damage to heart muscle leading to heart failure, acute (often life-threatening) infection of the bowel and treatment-induced leukemia (yup, as with most chemotherapeutic drugs, it can actually cause the disease it is used to treat). It's mechanism of action is to interfere with certain DNA switches which regulate cellular reproduction.

 

Here's the real kicker.... This chemo drug is on the World Health Organization's "List of Essential Medicines". That means it is considered one of the most effective and safe medicines in the world of modern medicine...

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I've now, as of yesterday... got 2 specialists that would support an application for pharmaceutical cannabinoids IF I care to FIGHT (for pharmaceutical cannabinoids) .... they also both believe I wont put up with the shit....lol:wink: and doubt many will.

 

And that still wouldnt be enough to have 2 specialists in their fields give the nod.

I reckon a lot of folk will be pushing shit uphill to get support.

 

Cardiologist aint so keen though on the flipside.....so its earned him the new term of endearment of ignorant prick:lol: Upset him a little that did...lol

 

The fine details haven't been sorted here, but it aint pretty. Its deliberate, its prohibitive, its ignorant, its descrimatory and I could go on but I will sum it up as defo utter fckn bullshit.

 

I still stand by whats been "pushed" through has set Aus. back years.

I'll do as I see fit, my medicos reckon I am doing alright as I am doing, all things considered....

 

 

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South of the border just got hip to the scene:

http://hightimes.com/news/mexico-legalized-medical-marijuana-heres-exactly-what-that-means/

 

Nevada provides a lovely example of how to fuck it up right at the finish line:

http://hightimes.com/news/the-latest-nevada-says-state-determined-to-meet-july-1-deadline/

 

and Cali provides a shit hot idea for the future, if you like markets that is:

http://hightimes.com/news/cali-may-allow-county-fair-vendors-to-sell-pot-alongside-cotton-candy/

 

Meanwhile in Australia... fat cats in the background make moves to position themselves strongly in the looming cannabis market, and politicians give lip service to those dying about the bullshit access we have here at the moment. No links for that shit because not enough people are reporting about it... wait, I mean no-one is. Maybe that means it's all in my head? 

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Man, I know those who are genuinely trying to sort through the bullshit have to tread carefully so it's not fucked up for everyone, but the whole process to get to legalization really is a farce.
 
There's so many players and not a few underlying agendas in that Nevada story, it's hard not to decribe it as a circus.
 
I'm thinking the Australian (and any state) governemnt doesn't want too much discussion on the subject because they need time to very quietly get in place all their regulations and legislation ensuring things progress in their best interests, not that of the general public. I base this assumption on the sterling job Queensland Health has done with the medicinal cannabis prescription regulations.
 
But at least things are moving. There is always hope we can improve things down the track.
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I would like to see the gov removed altogether and bring back community living under common law, I believe if there is no victim there is no crime, the penalties for possession is beyond ridiculous in my opinion, I lost faith in gov and political processes long ago. I would like to see everyone not fund them and there agendas with energy and money anymore, I know it is a bit idealistic but I envision a world where each person loves others more than them selves, then we would live in a world where everyone loves you more than them selves, I just couldn't imaging crime or criminal activity ever existing in such a place, the world seems faraway from that type of utopian vision but I could see it as possible, at least I like to believe it is.

The world seems crazy at the moment but I feel that near all social problems stem from an emotional cause like lack of love, emotional support, because of judgements, shame, lack of sense of security etc. I feel near all social issues are created through psychological and spiritual malaise.

I know this has little to no practical application at this time but i wanted to share the view,  like to think it is possible with peaceful non compliance to anything that opposes the ideals of love and respect for each other. its hard because it would require chain breakers meaning instead of punishment for a crime (vengeance) they would be given love and support as to not empower the cause of there wrong doers.

 

 

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