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and santiago, wtf?

wtf??

what?

i dont get silly points like that distracted......if you have a point to make, then make it........because wtf means nothing to me.

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I really doubt whether the information that is being released by wikileaks is going to have that much "substance". The things that we are reading is not anything that we didnt know anyway, i mean really all these cables are revealing is a confirmation that the US like all the other governments around the world are doing things by a differant set of rules to all of us.

WE ALREADY KNEW THAT!

Think about the things that you REALLY want to know about that are happening behind the scenes... You will not find a cable with details of that!

We are supposed to see these things... because to the average joe it doesnt matter whats in these cables, he doesnt want to watch the cow killed but he will happily take his steak.

If someone has already eluded to my point i am sorry i havent read thru all the earlier posts.

I know not everybody will agree with this but this is my opinion, and i respect yours no matter how differant it is :wink:

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Good luck Assange......bringing in a new era where governments and companies are open honest and accountable to the whole world when the majority of folk are still lying to themselves let alone families and friends. No catalyst will stabalise the former without a change of the latter. I doubt wikileaks will result in folks being more open and honest and stable enough to maintain Assanges ideal world. It will more likely make us all more paranoid, doubtful and defensive leading us further away from the ideal.

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I am also confused why Americas Government controlled media is reporting the subject with the depth that it is. Check out FOX's coverage of the saga.

It doesnt make sense... or does it?

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the giant has been hibernating and down for an 8 count but you better watch out the rest of the world who thought that whilst the USA were down they would come out and play, you did come out and play but you did fuck all for the good of greater humanity and im just glad i have the USA for a big brother because china and the middle east are about to get squashed in the coming decades, just you wait and see.

Not anytime soon. US = 14 trillion dollars debt. China = 2.5 trillion in currency reserves. China and US need each other. You can't squash China anyway, only learn to deal with it better. The only enemy China has on the face of the planet is itself.

USA is the grasshopper enjoying today but not saving for tomorrow, whilst China is the ant saving food for winter. US is a country of debitors, whereas china is a country of creditors.

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rahli "It will more likely make us all more paranoid, doubtful and defensive leading us further away from the ideal." +1

dr dognutz "We are supposed to see these things... because to the average joe it doesnt matter whats in these cables, he doesnt want to watch the cow killed but he will happily take his steak." +1

This whole wikileaks episode is very subversive propaganda targeting "the truth movement", everyone else is too apathetic to care, they've already got Obama care anyway. Seeing as most "truth seekers" see past the facade of Obama as a saviour figure, this particular folk hero doesn't convince us, what WE need is an underdog.

“We always give the people their heroes.” - Albert Pike.

Follow the yellow brick road...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-tvJyPGvc

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i am only a man who chooses to speak his mind and not just regurgitate another false messiahs words. until that is against the law, i will continue to do so. if i have offended anyone, so be it, although that is never my intention. i have not targeted anyone nor have i said anything racist or offensive and i certainly don't want to force my views onto anyone. simply take it or leave it.

last time i checked you don't have to be jewish to be a zionist and maybe before jumping on the love israel band wagon, you all could take some time out of your cosy lives and ask a palestinian what living in hell is all about.

do i care if you take me seriously? no.

do i care if you agree with me? no.

have i said anything truly offensive? no.

do i care about internet buddies? no.

they are just my words. deal with it.

"propaganda, People need to be controlled, I object very strongly to what you are saying, I think it repellent to suggest that it could justify the means by which it was attained."

just a few of the classic comments that made my day.

it's ironic that while discussing wikileaks, some people are alluding to me getting banned from this site.

freedom of speech, just watch what you say. especially when speaking about israel. priceless.

thank you.

peace.

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As a journalist, i see it as my elemental right to know all the secrets my government is involved in. Especially with my german background. We´re living in democratic times and the politicians should learn not to make decisions they cant stand for in public. This is the perfect tool to bring the truth about all the countless mass murderers in politics to the people at home. Into their living rooms and kitchens. The wikileaks affair is symbolic for the freedom of speech and im sure that american courts wont plead him guilty if they really value that right soo much. But on the other hand...never say never. No matter what...the americans made assange a global player in worldwide politics by declaring him a most wanted person. When will they learn that most our demons are created by ourselves. The genie is out the bottle and not even a possible conviction of assagne will be able to put him back in again. Wikileaks has so many mirrors that you just cant erase it anymore. bye Eg

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i have not targeted anyone nor have i said anything racist

Is that so? Well, allow me to retort. Expressing support for that particular German regime that did a have a particular attitude toward a certain group of people; it's racist and I'm offended.

without america getting involved, germany would have won the war and we would all be living in a peaceful world, without the plague of usurious zionist banks. imagine that. there is a reason people cheered when the germans rolled in, because that meant the banks were on their way out.

Perhaps were you talking about some other war that Gemany was invloved in that could have rid us of the Zionists and their banks - you know, the one where there was no racism involved.

For the record, I do support your right to say such things, if only so I can point out that you are wrong.

Note that none of this gives me membership in some sort of 'yay for Israel' cheer squad. I never said anywhere that I approve of the way Israel treats Palestinians because largely, I don't. I don't approve of any regime, group, oragnisation or individual who mistreats Jewish people either individually or as a group. Why? Becuase I think that prejudice, violence, genocide, ethnic cleansing, opression & torture etc are wrong and morally unjustifiable regardless of whether the victims are Jewish, Muslim, Black, White, American, Australian, Freedom Fighter or 'Zionist Shill'. Can you say the same?

Sorry if I have not been clear. I don't want you to be 'controlled' and I didn't intend what I said (which you did kind-of misquote) to be 'propoganda'. I just wanted to express that I thought you were ethically mistaken. I certainly was not suggesting that you should be banned from this forum.

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"without america getting involved, germany would have won the war and we would all be living in a peaceful world, without the plague of USURIOUS ZIONIST BANKS. imagine that. there is a reason people cheered when the germans rolled in, because that meant the BANKS were on their way out."

looks pretty clear to me. since zionists are an organization and not an ethnic group. am i racist towards zionists? good call mate, well done.

i thought i made it clear that i was not targeting jews. but feel free to fish for any little thing to nab me on.

by the way, germany didn't declare war on anyone. better check the history books on that one. i don't hear you condemning britain and judea for using violence to achieve their objectives. selective disgust is an interesting defense. just to clear the air. i believe the jews in israel are used as pawns in the zionist game, just as everyone else is. we are all victims.

since wikileaks vindicated israel and only israel, that meant they are fair game and i took up the challenge of exposing the zionist scam.

i am not sorry for this.

peace.

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Being anti-zionist (or indeed anti-usury) doesn't make you a racist, you are correct. Sorry.

But some groups/ideologies that are (or were) anti-Zionist are themselves also racist. At least, I thought they were. I hope you can see the source of my confusion.

Without sarcasm, I can say that I'm happy to talk historical & ethical interpretations of National Socialism as well as the evidence for and against the Zionist conspiracy in another thread at another time.

As for Wikileaks, I have to say I haven't read much that would cause problems for Israel yet, and I have skimmed most of the relevant cables. But we have only scratched the surface of the total archive. A cable that, for example indicated or could be interpreted as evidence for a Zionist conspiracy would be incredibly explosive and damaging to the US and it's interests. If I were Julian, that's one I would keep up my sleeve - in the 'insurance' file perhaps? I would hypothesis that we haven't seen this material because it is so high-stakes compared to what we have seen so far.

If it is a conspiracy, it's a very intricate and skilled one.

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Sometimes i'll agree with the messages you try and put out, but when you exaggerate and use loaded propaganda words like 'israhell' it's hard to take you seriously.

fwiw israelis use that very term to describe their country.

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If the leaks were real , there is no way in hell you'd hear about them fullstop.

The Wikileaks is a big and dangerous US intelligence Con Job which will likely be used to police the Internet.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article167733.html

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If it is a conspiracy, it's a very intricate and skilled one.

Aren't they all?

Given Assanges affiliations and that his "un-biased" but public opinions is that the official 9/11 story is true and that he doesn't bother with stupid conspiracy theories; that there is nothing sinister about the Bilderberg Meetings and they're all fine and dandy, I doubt he's working for "our side".

The selectivity of releases and self censorship of this "un-biased" source of info, that's my gripe. "Un-biased and transparent" it's a lovely idea but it's not as it appears to be, as soon as the leaks are there they should be made public, no matter what reasons are invented for their timed release, like an insurance policy.

I think he's affiliated well enough to not have to die for our sins and the apparent persecution is only there to get us on-side. He's in no real danger, he's just playing his role.

Seriously if this guy supports the official story about 9/11 and sees nothing sinister in the Bilderberg Meetings then I'd be careful about the opinions formed due to his selective and pointed leaks.

...Having said all that, his imprisonment and the crack down on "cyber-terrorism" is part of the steady eradication of our free, uncensored internet (where all other channels are already controlled). The D.O.S attack on the bank institutions by an unknown group of underground hacker activists conveniently called 'anonymous' (so that anyone can claim affiliation with the group whether they do good or cause chaos as pretext to make the internet more "secure") are carrying out a virtual false flag and are part of the intricate conspiracy.

Wikileaks - A Big, Dangerous US Government Con Job

I do not support Assange or wikileaks but I support freedom of speech and transparency and that is what's on trial, so I support his case in that this is what it represents. The conspiracy is targeting this movement in particular to get us complacent in this instance as he "doesn't deserve our support" he is a corporate stooge, but what he's supposedly fighting for deserves our total support.

a word from the wise.

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I'm not sure that it exposes the fraud, but there is some interesting stuff in that article. I was particularly taken by the references to Cass Sunstein. Of course it is possible that people pushing the idea that Wikileaks is a fraud could themselves be part of a 'cognitive infiltration', albeit different to the kind Cass describes. If (hypothetically) Wikileaks is not a conspiracy, it would suit its opponents much better for the Left to argue about whether or not Julian is a CIA operative (or whatever) than to act on the contents of the cables. If I were Obama, I'd be starting anti-Assange and anti-wikileaks conspiracy theories all over the place.

Scott Creighton makes some pretty strong calls. I think the next year or so will show whether or not he is right.

Conspiracy aside, I think his concerns over the possibility of the US using this as an excuse to clamp down on the internet are worth considering. This would not require WL to be a conspiracy, just opportunism on the part of certain politicians.

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Openleaks, a new secret-government-document-leaking site and WikiLeaks rival is set to launch on Monday, according to a report from Swedish newspaper DN.se. The new website is founded by former members of WikiLeaks who were unhappy with its leader, Julian Assange.

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"Our long-term goal is to build a strong, transparent platform to support whistleblowers -- both in terms of technology and politics -- while at the same time encouraging others to start similar projects," an anonymous source at Openleaks told DN.se.

"As a short-term goal, this is about completing the technical infrastructure and ensuring that the organization continues to be democratically governed by all its members, rather than limited to one group or individual," the source said, according to the report.

A monopoly on truth is dangerous, so I like what I'm reading. Only thing that's a bit questionable is what kind of safeguards are there to make sure the whistleblowers are genuine if they are to remain protected by their anonymity?

It would be irresponsible to throw them to the wolves for their need of a scapegoat/martyr like Bradley Manning.

There are a few very questionable elements to the Assange wikileaks stuff going on (most notably the mass media coverage) that has me very suss on it as a psy-op and false flag to have us demand "more security" from our "benefactors" in government. I still support what he's [meant to be] doing, just not how he's doing it, still like you said Yeti, the focus on this character has conveniently distracted us from the bigger picture yet again.

Only thing I disagree with you Yeti is your apparent labeling of "the truth movement" (for lack of a better term) as the left. I disagree with the left/right paradigm and tell it to fuck off with the middle finger! :wave-finger:

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The selectivity of releases and self censorship of this "un-biased" source of info, that's my gripe.

I think that many people have missed the fact that while this is an unbiased release, the data itself is entirely biased, because it was all written from the perspective of the US. Perhaps that is why it doesn't have any terrible dirt on Israel (or really the US itself)? Because US and Israel views mostly align.

Seriously if this guy supports the official story about 9/11 and sees nothing sinister in the Bilderberg Meetings then I'd be careful about the opinions formed due to his selective and pointed leaks.

Take a different angle on it - maybe he just doesn't have any direct information that contradicts the official story of September 11 or reveals sinister machinations of the Bilderberg meetings, and so he's just saying he supports them because he doesn't want to get drawn into the type of paranoid delusionary conspiracism that abounds on the internet... which would be one of the greatest dangers he could face. He would instantly be written off as a nutjob. I'd take the same tack if I was in his position.

The thing about wikileaks is it doesn't really express opinions on the material it releases or world events generally. They just release it, in fairly raw form, and allow others to do the interpretation. Assange calls it 'scientific journalism'.

The D.O.S attack on the bank institutions by an unknown group of underground hacker activists conveniently called 'anonymous' (so that anyone can claim affiliation with the group whether they do good or cause chaos as pretext to make the internet more "secure") are carrying out a virtual false flag and are part of the intricate conspiracy.

Dude, do you know much about Anonymous? They are perhaps the most anarchistic 'organisation' in the world. They are not part of any kind of intricate conspiracy, because there is no 'them'. Their antics generally resemble those of most other bored teenageres; ocassionally displaying a hint of intelligent thought. Maybe if there is an intricate conspiracy at work here then Anonymous are being manipulated to some extent, but if so the conspirators are doing a pretty piss poor job of it. Their attack on Amazon was a complete flop and their other targets have only taken minor damage. If the people behind the Grand Conspiracy had plotted a false flag in order to restrict internet freedom, I think we'd be seeing something more equivalent to September 11 itself in the online world.

man, Rense is a big dangerous fucking con job.

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Only thing I disagree with you Yeti is your apparent labeling of "the truth movement" (for lack of a better term) as the left. I disagree with the left/right paradigm and tell it to fuck off with the middle finger! :wave-finger:

Not only that, but many people from the "Right" are in the "Truth Movement" as well.

I think that many people have missed the fact that while this is an unbiased release, the data itself is entirely biased, because it was all written from the perspective of the US. Perhaps that is why it doesn't have any terrible dirt on Israel (or really the US itself)? Because US and Israel views mostly align.

Good point.

Take a different angle on it - maybe he just doesn't have any direct information that contradicts the official story of September 11 or reveals sinister machinations of the Bilderberg meetings, and so he's just saying he supports them because he doesn't want to get drawn into the type of paranoid delusionary conspiracism that abounds on the internet... which would be one of the greatest dangers he could face. He would instantly be written off as a nutjob. I'd take the same tack if I was in his position.

Are you kidding? The information is everywhere. And if you really think it's only net nerds who believe that the official story is bollocks, then think again...

http://911blogger.com/node/20824

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php/context/va/aid/index.php?context=va&aid=3553

http://www.militaryofficersfor911truth.org

http://pl911truth.com

http://io911truth.com

http://v911t.org

http://rl911truth.org

http://firefightersfor911truth.org

http://l911t.com

http://mp911truth.org

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org

http://stj911.org

http://actorsandartistsfor911truth.com

http://mediafor911truth.org

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anonymous is not really an unknown group. they're the same people that were behind the attacks in response to the australian internet filter, they're mostly just ordinary plebs who use power of numbers. i don't think it's even accurate to call them hackers.

infiltrating anonymous is no challenge whatsoever, influencing them might be more difficult. it would be interesting if they were being used as pawns from time to time.

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Rense is just an ordinary man who lets anyone speak their mind unfiltered. keep up the good work jeff.

dangerous leads to censorship.

brave call.

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Well they've (Wikileaks) grabbed everyone's attention regardless of their intention. I for one think freedom of information is essential to creating a more harmonious

world for all to live in. If these organisations/ people want to attack Assange any way they can, they obviously have things to hide, which we all know they do.

Some people have called for his execution/ assassination, others want him tried and put in jail and have gone on to say that if there are currentl no laws in place

that allow them to prosecute him then they would create them. I think it's fair to say he's being hounded and is now in financial difficulty as a result of clearing his name,

of likely bogus claims.

There was an interesting article in Rolling Stone mostly composed of an interview with another supporter/ contributor for Wikileaks. I'll have to edit this later with his

name as it escapes me atm. But basically he has been trying to give people access to Tor, a US military created program designed to hinder people from tracing

your whereabouts. Many of you may know of this program but it was news to me. Anyway, since the heat has been on Assange and as a result of his work and

affiliation he too has gone into hiding. Yes, conspiracies are complicated and I can't rule it out but I think simply for the negative public opinion that the US has

received they would not have intentionally leaked this information. Let's face it, they still can't carry out a successful covert mission without being detected for liars

and criminals, i.e. 11-9. Just my two cents worth.

I hope we can claw back some of our freedoms that are taken away all too easily and for some people unknowingly.

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There was an interesting article in Rolling Stone mostly composed of an interview with another supporter/ contributor for Wikileaks. I'll have to edit this later with his name as it escapes me atm. But basically he has been trying to give people access to Tor, a US military created program designed to hinder people from tracing your whereabouts. Many of you may know of this program but it was news to me.

:huh:

http://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en

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