Prophet Posted February 22, 2007 and the flowers on the datura quercifolia don't open fully. They stay partially closed so you can't really see inside the flower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted February 23, 2007 do you have one, prophet? a quercifolia? my stramonium var. tatula also stays quite closed, it may open for a brief moment partially at night before it drops off but for the most part it doesn't open like kenny's at all. or at least i'm not catching it. i'd still say the fruit is the best indicator due to that. mine stay like this for the most part. so whilst you can see inside the flower it doesn't open anywhere near that of the metel species. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 26, 2007 Nice plant nil Don't mind me, the seeds were labelled wrightii.(damn med's are screwing with my memory atm). The seeds are brown and flat unlike the other D.str. var. strammonium seed I have which are black and somewhat smaller,and the pods are egg shaped and stand erect on this one.The flowers have 5 tips and a purplish tinge. I actually watched a flower open one night it's amazing seeing a plant move so quick.I'd say the whole opening process on this one takes about 6 hrs to fully flexed, but the first stage of unfurling takes about 10-15mins and awesome to sit and watch.They were about to open yesterday and I only had 15 mins to get to the shops.By the time I came home they were open and not moving fast enough worth a video shoot I'll try to get a better daytime shot tommorow and hopefully capture the first part of her opening up using the video function. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 26, 2007 Nice plant nil Don't mind me, the seeds were labelled wrightii.(damn med's are screwing with my memory atm). The seeds are brown and flat unlike the other D.str. var. strammonium seed I have which are black and somewhat smaller,and the pods are egg shaped and stand erect on this one.The flowers have 5 tips and a purplish tinge. I actually watched a flower open one night it's amazing seeing a plant move so quick.I'd say the whole opening process on this one takes about 6 hrs to fully flexed, but the first stage of unfurling takes about 10-15mins and awesome to sit and watch.They were about to open yesterday and I only had 15 mins to get to the shops.By the time I came home they were open and not moving fast enough worth a video shoot I'll try to get a better daytime shot tommorow and hopefully capture the first part of her opening up using the video function. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted February 26, 2007 do you have one, prophet? a quercifolia? my stramonium var. tatula also stays quite closed, it may open for a brief moment partially at night before it drops off but for the most part it doesn't open like kenny's at all. or at least i'm not catching it. i'd still say the fruit is the best indicator due to that. mine stay like this for the most part. so whilst you can see inside the flower it doesn't open anywhere near that of the metel species. The opening for stramonium var tatula opening fully does occur, but it seems to be based on plant maturity and moonlight somehow. Here is mine (I think I posted it once before) this was from the second or third flush of flowers and only opened fully when there was lots of moonlight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 27, 2007 Mine's a young plant. I agree with you on the moonlight factor. The sky has been clear most nights and was on the night I took the photos. Don't remember what the moon was showing though. I also think water plays a part as on the hot days when they've reached wilting point the flowers won't open fully. Probably applies to many plants though. I actually watched a flower open one night it's amazing seeing a plant move so quick.I'd say the whole opening process on this one takes about 6 hrs to fully flexed, but the first stage of unfurling takes about 10-15mins and awesome to sit and watch Yup, awesome sight. I watch my innoxia's spring open all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet Posted February 27, 2007 do you have one, prophet? a quercifolia? no i'm sorry to say i don't. I would like one though. I just did a bit of research on it and i have the book Brugmansia and Datura (Angel's Trumpets and Thorn Apples) by Ulrike and Hans-Georg Preissel which describes the different species. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 27, 2007 Here's the 'Unforgettable' again, a bit more open this time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 28, 2007 Correction ,mines innoxia...pods droop down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted December 13, 2007 A couple more additions I received over the winter... Datura metel 'Double Purple' Datura metel 'Chlorantha Golden Queen' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mu! Posted December 14, 2007 woah, that last one there is fuckin sweet KB! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Øskorei Posted December 14, 2007 Mmmmm, Datura Porn. Here's one from a few days ago..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted December 17, 2007 Ooh, perty-lookin'... Is that a metel cultivar? Keen for a seed swap? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Øskorei Posted December 20, 2007 Ooh, perty-lookin'...Is that a metel cultivar? Keen for a seed swap? Don't know mate, perhaps someone can help to identify ? I got these a while ago from an ex-member who was pretty big on collecting cool cultivars and varieties of all sorts of stuff but sadly I didn't mark my plants at the time of receiving them as to what they were. The plant that I posted pics of earlier has a new flower opening at the moment - note that the flower is fully yellow until it opens completely into a white bloom as per the picture above. Any ID suggestions ? And if I get seeds, am happy to throw some your way. To date there has either been no seed pod, or at best a pod that never quite forms properly, so no promises. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mu! Posted December 27, 2007 More nice plants, very cool guys. Will have to get off my ass and start propogating this seed. Had a few small puffs of D. innoxia, must say i wasnt expecting the kind of visuals i got. They seemed to be "classic" visuals, not "real" ones which is all i've read of. I was seeing the patterns behind carpet/flat surfaces, typical of acid. Mind you, this was off probably 1 big cone in total, along with some MJ. Cool plant that Datura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted January 3, 2008 kenny that double purple metel's first flower is a triple,its having trouble opening properly though,maybe the heat. will give u some seeds if u dont have it yet,if i get some. the yellow one has about 6 pods now. they both smell amazing. thanx again t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted January 3, 2008 sorry ,i was sucked in ,twas a bunch of petal material,not properly formed at all. t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayjay101 Posted January 4, 2008 Had a few small puffs of D. innoxia, must say i wasnt expecting the kind of visuals i got. They seemed to be "classic" visuals, not "real" ones which is all i've read of. I was seeing the patterns behind carpet/flat surfaces, typical of acid. Mind you, this was off probably 1 big cone in total, along with some MJ. Mu, how long did these effects last? Were any other effects detected that could be attributed the datura? A FOAF has tried teas made from various parts of the plant (flowers, leaves stems) and has experienced the famous true halucinations (as well as other visual effects such as rough edges/patterns to flat surfaces and black dots or ants crawling along surface edges). They are far and away the most convincing out of body experiences he's had, and he also says the bodyload/weakening which kicks in when the experience begins as being amongst the most pleasant he's ever felt from a plant, even being fully aware the effects are caused by the body's repsonse to being poisoned. He says the main problem is that he was often not really 'there' to observe the experience or bring any of it back, classic Delerium. Fortunately his sober sitter was able to draw his attention to his obscure behaviour and speech, and remind him when he was not experiencing consensus reality. By the end of his experiences he was getting very frustrated with the constant discoveries that what he was experiencing and believing were real actually weren't, and then having to try and get his bearings all over again only to have them surely vanish in front of his eyes minutes later. He says this lasted about 5 hours on and off, yet he couldn't distinguish between on and off. Sort of like the movie Existenz, where once you enter the game you have no way of knowing whether you're in or out of it. Anyhoo, he has not tried smoking the plant as you mention here, except in Chang mixes where he says it seems to add a dreamy edge to the experience - seems to be a dosage thing. I'm interested in any other experiences ppl here may have had with smoking the tropanes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted January 6, 2008 Mu, how long did these effects last? Were any other effects detected that could be attributed the datura?A FOAF has tried teas made from various parts of the plant (flowers, leaves stems) and has experienced the famous true halucinations (as well as other visual effects such as rough edges/patterns to flat surfaces and black dots or ants crawling along surface edges). They are far and away the most convincing out of body experiences he's had, and he also says the bodyload/weakening which kicks in when the experience begins as being amongst the most pleasant he's ever felt from a plant, even being fully aware the effects are caused by the body's repsonse to being poisoned. He says the main problem is that he was often not really 'there' to observe the experience or bring any of it back, classic Delerium. Fortunately his sober sitter was able to draw his attention to his obscure behaviour and speech, and remind him when he was not experiencing consensus reality. By the end of his experiences he was getting very frustrated with the constant discoveries that what he was experiencing and believing were real actually weren't, and then having to try and get his bearings all over again only to have them surely vanish in front of his eyes minutes later. He says this lasted about 5 hours on and off, yet he couldn't distinguish between on and off. Sort of like the movie Existenz, where once you enter the game you have no way of knowing whether you're in or out of it. Anyhoo, he has not tried smoking the plant as you mention here, except in Chang mixes where he says it seems to add a dreamy edge to the experience - seems to be a dosage thing. I'm interested in any other experiences ppl here may have had with smoking the tropanes. SWIM tried smoking the leaves and flowers of an SAB D. stramonium about five years back, and had a mild sedating effect, but mostly just a really numb throat. He also sucked up his fear and dosed on a tea made with a heaped tablespoon of fresh seeds from the same plant... a different order of experience entirely, but not one that he is in a hurry to repeat. Let's just say he is uncomfortable with the idea that he may have been wandering around butt naked in his front yard on a lovely Sunday morning, but even more uncomfortable that he cannot determine what parts of his experience that night were real and which weren't. Crazy stuff, especially the 'real' hallucinations... he hasn't experienced anything that compares to the absolutely convincing and detailed nature of hallucinations. Wierd, I wrote that last paragraph before I finished reading ayjay101's post, where he says something very similar at the end. Definitely creepy stuff... if it wasn't for the poisoning aspect, SWIM probably would do it a lot more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Øskorei Posted January 31, 2008 Is this still the porn channel ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Francois le Danque Posted February 1, 2008 it was really weird, on my road trip through new south wales, i passed thousands upon thousands of datura plants. staring out the window of the car (when not driving) i found it interesting to watch them, but somehow forgot i wanted to collect some plant material. even upon staying in glen innes, and going for a walk through a massive field of datura and wild lettuce, it just didnt occur to me. i picked one flower, to use as a book mark. i didn't remember i have been wanting to smoke some datura (especially as a part of Indian preparations such as the 'indian cigarette') until i was back home. i can't seem to find any here since the council mowed down the one plant that used to be here. and no i don't know what the point of typing this is, i just thought it was weird and am killing time before work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 4, 2008 Yup, still the porn channel, I'll post some more pics later in the week. Øsk, that's an interesting plant you've got. Perhaps a sterile polyploid?? The inoxia has a yellowness to the flower before it opens but nothing that intense. Hard to say what you've got, only seen a few cultivars myself, but she's a gem nevertheless. tst, uncanny that you mention a triple purple flower. Last week I had one open up on a plant that's been popping out doubles. Plants grown from the seed of the triple flower won't necessarily be triple flower plants??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Øskorei Posted February 4, 2008 Øsk, that's an interesting plant you've got. Perhaps a sterile polyploid?? The inoxia has a yellowness to the flower before it opens but nothing that intense. Hard to say what you've got, only seen a few cultivars myself, but she's a gem nevertheless. Yea, I'm still at a loss as to what it is - regrettably this didn't run out to a properly formed thorn pod, so no seeds Love to see what else you've got cooking there, Kenny. Here's another of mine from a few days ago. ID suggestions would be fabulous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted February 4, 2008 kenny do the double purples set viable seed? all my double purple flowers have been similar,with the male organs largely composed of petal material,blocking off the mouth of the flower,so i assume they can only self pollenate but may not have any pollen........one had 2 female organs........both flowers aborted so far. put some wrightii pollen in the new flowers. t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
