Happy Cadaver Posted November 17, 2005 Anyone have some info on this plant? The only ref. i have is plants of tthe gods which states the dried leaves are smoked as an hallucinogenic subsitute for cannabis. Maconha Brava means false marihuana. Found some plants and was wondering if they are relatively safe to test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted November 17, 2005 Medicinal herbs of Chhattisgarh, India having less known traditional uses. 102. Chari Van (Zornia diphylla, family Papilionaceae). As the cattle feed on this herb and consume it with taste, the natives of Chhattisgarh Plains have named this wasteland herb as Chari Van. Aware of its high nutritive value, many cattle owners add this herb or its seeds in small amount with the diet of sick cattle or pregnant cows. They are aware that over dose can cause harmful effects. The herb collectors of Bhopalpatnam region informed me about unique observation. They claimed that many herbivores feed on this herb but at specific days and time. Their observation clearly indicates that these herbivores are aware of its specific medicinal properties and uses. With the help of these herb collectors, I am trying hard to get some solid information. Chari Van occurs as wasteland herb in different parts of Chhattisgarh. The traditional healers of Chhattisgarh specialized in treatment of Mirgi (Epilepsy) and other related troubles frequently use this herb. They also use it in treatment of insanity. According to them, in small doses this herb reduces the symptom of over excitement in patients having insanity. This is a matter of surprise that very few traditional healers of Chhattisgarh are aware of its medicinal uses and most of them are senior healers having age over 80 years. It is a matter of investigation that why the healers of young generation are not taking interest in this herb. The presence of other promising alternatives for these troubles may be the reason, but many senior traditional healers informed about its specific action and effect, that are not possible with the so called promising alternatives. In reference literatures, the use of Chari Van roots to induce the sleep in Children is mentioned. The traditional healers of Chhattisgarh are not aware of this use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted November 17, 2005 kingherb.com sells 3X extract and standardised extract http://kingherb.com/new/herbs/10.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scientific name/Synonym: Zornia diphylla Pers Country name: Ding Kui Cao Other name: Renzicao, Kudizheng, Pudijian, Wushengyicao Part used in traditional medicine: Grass Diagnostic features of identification: Major areas of occurrence: Distributed in Guangdong, Guangxi, Fujian, Sichuan and Yunnan. Collection and processing: Collection:Gather in Summer Processing: Chemical constituents: Flavone glycoside, phenols, amino acid Symptoms and diseases: Sysmptoms:Clearing away heat, detoxicating and removing blood stasis Diseases:Catching cold, intense heat and convulsion, diarrhea, icterus, bloody flux, abdominal mass, laryngalgia, conjunctival congestion, boil pyogenic infection, mastitis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Found this weird one: http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/herbarium/legumes...s/bbgln695.html ALBUQUERQUE is now interested in medicinal weeds, including the following Leguminosae: Cassia occidentalis, C. tora, Mimosa pudica, and Zornia diphylla. He needs bibliographic information about weedy Leguminosae with medicinal properties, and offers information about Amazonian plants. Who the fuck is Albequerque? Maybe leave a comment here asking? http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/herbarium/legumes/comments.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Found this paper http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...6&dopt=Abstract Spasmolytic activity of some plants used by the Otomi Indians of Queretaro (Mexico) for the treatment of gastrointestinal disorders. The present study was performed to investigate the effect of chloroform-methanol (1:1) extracts derived from Baccharis heterophylla H. B. K (Asteraceae), Desmodium grahami Gray (Leguminosae), Dyssodia pinnata var. pinnata Rob. (Asteraceae), Gentiana spathacea H. B. K. (Gentianaceae), Loeselia mexicana Brand. (Polemoniaceae), Selaginella pallescens Spring. (Selaginellaceae) and Zornia diphylla Pers. (Fabaceae) on the spontaneous contractions of isolated rat ileum. The concentration-response curves and IC50 values were obtained and the respective relaxant potencies were compared with that of the CHCl3-MeOH (1:1) extract of Datura lanosa. The data showed that all the extracts produce a concentration-dependent inhibition of spontaneous ileum contractions. In addition, the antimicrobial activity of the extracts against pathogenic enterobacteria was tested. The pharmacological actions shown by the extracts of the selected species tend to support ethnomedical use of the plants for the treatment of gastrointestinal disorders. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.omnicopia.com/herbage/files/H1528.htm#2 has some of its own links Hmmm just scrolled down a little and found this Zornia latifolia Common Name: MACONHA BRAVA Range: Brazil Websites: CPD: South America, Site SA19, Caatinga of North-eastern Brazil, Brazil, Fabaceae Specimens in the Species of Eastern Brazil Database of The New York Botanical Garden, HortiPlex Plant Database, Local Flora: Herbs, Lycaeum > Leda > Fabaceae (Leguminosae), Lycaeum > Leda > Zornia, pgrdoc.ipgri.cgiar.org/taxcheck/grin/userguide.html, SysTax-pictures, U.S.D.A. PLANTS Database Links Comments: The seeds are smoked in Brazil for their hallucinogenic effects. Zornia gibbosa Family: fabaceae Range: New Guinea Use: witchcraft Websites: Chinese Herb Dictionary, kingherb, Famille Total FF, flowering calendar2, TABLE OF CONTENTS, www.rrlbhu.res.in/envis/Coastal_Biodiversity.htm EMPHASIS MINE. But I think that's just a comment from your own ref. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Might wanna look around for "Hierba de la vibora" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did one search and google came up with this but I'm not sure if it's right 'cos I can't get to the file Medicinal Plants of the Guianas (Guyana, Surinam, French Guiana) File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat CHEM: Contains the flavone pigment cosmosine; root contains myricyclic alcohol, ... Zornia latifolia JE Smith var. latifolia (Zornia diphylla sensu auct., ... www.mnh.si.edu/biodiversity/bdg/medicinal/MedPlantsGui2.pdf Might want to try that one later, because the whole mnh.si.edu site seems to be offline. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try this paper? Jutzi, S.C. & Nosberger, J. 1984. Seed production and growth of the tropical pasture legume Zornia latifolia Accession CIAT 728. Trop. Grassl., 18: 138-148. latifolia and diphylla seem to be synonyms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can also tell you Zornia latifolia has 11 chromosomes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try this paper Ranjan, Vinay (1999) - Exotic medicinal plants of district Lalitpur, Uttar Pradesh, Bulletin of Medico-Ethno-Botanical Research 20, 1-4, 54-65. [70 plants, not indigenous to India, are enumerated, together with the area of their origin and their biological actions: Abrus precatorius Linn., Achyranthes aspera Linn., Aeschynomene indica Linn., Ageratum conyzoides Linn., Albizia lebbeck (Linn.) Benth., Alternanthera sessilis (Linn.) R.Br., Amaranthus spinosus Linn., Annona squamosa Linn., Argemone mexicana Linn., Barleria cristata Linn., Biophytum sensitivum (Linn.) DC., Boerhavia diffusa Linn., Cardiospermum halicacabum Linn., Carissa carandas Linn., Cascabela thevetia (Linn.) Lippold = Thevetia neriifolia Juss. ex Steud., Cassia siamea Lam., Cassia tora Linn., Cataranthus roseus (Linn.) G.Don, Celosia argentea Linn., Chenopodium album Linn., Cleome viscosa Linn., Convolvulus arvensis Linn., Corchorus aestuans Linn., Corchorus olitorius Linn., Croton bonplandianum Baill., Datura metel Linn., Desmodium triflorum (Linn.) DC., Digera muricata (Linn.) Mart., Dodonaea viscosa (Linn.) Jacq., Eclipta prostrata (Linn.) Linn. = E. alba (Linn.) Hassk., Emilia sochifolia (Linn.) DC., Euphorbia hirta Linn., Hyptis suaveolens (Linn.) Poit., Indigofera linnaei Ali, Ipomoea carnea Jacq., Ipomoea eriocarpa R.Br., Ipomoea pes-tigridis Linn., Jatropha curcas Linn., Jatropha gossypifolia Linn., Lantana camara Linn., Lawsonia inermis Linn., Limonia acidissima Linn. = Feronia limonia (Linn.) Swingle, Malvastrum coromandelianum (Linn.) Garcke, Martynia annua Linn., Melia azedarach Linn., Moringa oleifera Lam., Nicotiana plumbaginifolia Viv., Parkinsonia aculeata Linn., Parthenium hysterophorus Linn., Physalis minima Linn., Pithecellobium dulce Benth., Polyalthia longifolia Thwaites, Portulaca oleracea Linn., Rauvolfia tetraphylla Linn., Rhynchosia minima (Linn.) DC., Ricinus communis Linn., Salvia plebeia R.Br., Scoparia dulcis Linn., Sida cordata (Burm.f.) Borss. Waalk., Solanum virginianum Linn. = S. surattense Burm.f., Sonchus oleraceus Linn., Stellaria media (Linn.) Vill., Tamarindus indica Linn., Tephrosia purpurea (Linn.) Pers., Teramnus labialis (Linn.f.) Spreng., Tribulus terrestris Linn., Tridax procumbens Linn., Vernonia cinerea Less., Xanthium strumarium Linn., Zornia gibbosa Span.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's about all i have time for. Hope that helps. Sorry I couldn't hunt down anything more specific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted November 17, 2005 latifolia and diphylla seem to be synonyms.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can also tell you Zornia latifolia has 11 chromosomes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This Site says that in Zornia diphylla "The chromosome number is 2n = 20" and synonyms include "Z. reticulata Sm.; Z. gracilis DC; Z. havensis A. Rich." A few sources say several plants have been misidentified as Zornia diphylla in the past (possible explination as why its listed as native to both south america and tropical asia) so if you do a bioassay and have a live plant try and post some good close-up pics of the plant tested. Zornia latifoliaCommon Name: MACONHA BRAVA Range: Brazil .... Comments: The seeds are smoked in Brazil for their hallucinogenic effects. So which should be tested? diphylla or latifolia? lol Zornia latifoliaMaconha Brava "The dried seeds are smoked as a hallucinogenic substitute for Cannabis" --Plants of the Gods Habitat South America http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=11415 What the does plants of the gods say latifolia or diphylla? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted November 17, 2005 plants of the gods mentions latifolia and then starts on diphylla here's some pics I took today. I noticed there may be other species in australia, so I'll do some research and see which it is. I have latifolia seeds anyway, plus some proper id'd diphylla seedlings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted November 17, 2005 thanks for the info Apothecary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted November 17, 2005 You can thank me by puttin that shit in your pipe and smokin it! LOL. I'm extremely curious, the last one like this to come around was teos "NT Weed" or somesuch which only lasted a quarter of an hour or so, but effects were alright. Smooooooooke ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted November 17, 2005 LOL, I'll harvest some today and give it a try. I wonder what time of day to harvest? The cows seem to know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted November 22, 2005 Any update on that bioassay? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted November 22, 2005 No, nothing yet I'm pretty sure what I found is Zornia dyctiocarpa, not diphylla, so I'm not sure about that one. Will do some more research. I will have diphylla material in a few months once my plants are big enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted January 25, 2006 Updates? Can I get some propagation material for the traditionally used one off you? Need someone to do any bioassays? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted January 25, 2006 send me a SSAE and i'll post your some leaves sorry, not enough material for propagation as of yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simon_marklar Posted January 27, 2006 I'm extremely curious, the last one like this to come around was teos "NT Weed" or somesuch which only lasted a quarter of an hour or so, but effects were alright.Smooooooooke ;) its actually really interesting when you mix mj with it as a tobacco substitute. if it was plentiful i'd be using that instead of tobacco. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted May 4, 2006 (edited) Got around to doing a small assay of some Z. diphylla seeds and leaves last night. 3 seeds and a pinch of leaves were added to a cigarette, taste is slightly harsh but ok, in a grass type of way. Roughly 3-5 minutes after coming back inside, i notice an increase (or at least a feeling of) in heartrate and an anticipation, sort of like being at the edge ofan experience. I have to get up for a minute or so to walk this off and it tapers off into a dopey type of sedation. Sleep is deep and good, slight hangover feeling today but nothing unpleasant. I get the feeling there may be more to this herb at a dose of 5 seeds and a good pinch of leaves. i have a decent amount left Apo, will get some off to you, not that you ever bother testing anything, just looking for a handout. Edited January 5, 2008 by Happy Cadaver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tryptamine Posted May 5, 2006 Maconha brava is one of upto 9 active ingredients in the NZ smoking blend 'Spice'. This blend has an effect very similar (slightly milder but basically identical to) Cannabis. How much Maconha brava plays a part in this is anyones guess, but having tried most of the other ingredients indivudally I am guessing it may be a key ingredient. I have searched extensively online for info on this, including translating many Brazillian pages. The very limited info available suggests it is definetly active. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted May 5, 2006 I knew I should have grown those two species this year- lol Keep up the bioassays darcy :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted May 5, 2006 (edited) I believe there is definently something to this species. Edited October 30, 2009 by Torsten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Cadaver Posted June 6, 2006 how's that material going Apothecary? Tried it yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted June 6, 2006 Sorry darcy, I've been workin my ass off at uni, most nights they kick me out of the computer labs 'cos I'm there so late...handed in my last assignment today though, then after exams I'm free...expect many many bioassays, smoking mixes, free seeds, trip reports and other novel goodies (hope to finally start the urban ethnobotany thread and probably try and organise another sydney meet) to be posted in about 2 weeks Group experiments with the other herbs you sent me went extremely well and I will be posting all the notes on that too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 20, 2006 I saw that herbalistics is selling a mix of Z. diphylla and Salvia splendens, was some synergy found or is it to counterbalance the "increase ... in heartrate and an anticipation"? I also noticed that that mix is selling by the gram, just how potent is this stuff? I think I'll try to grow out both Z. diphylla and latifolia next year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted September 20, 2006 Sorry I never got around to bioassaying this plant, totally my fault, I still have the stuff you sent me sitting next to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teonanacatl Posted September 21, 2006 oh shit that reminds me about that torres straight weed lol, there are some plants around here i might collect some more if people are keen, will try extracts as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noun Posted September 21, 2006 Has anyone bio-assayed Zornia diphylla via another method than smoking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) There's other methods of ingesting things? Edited September 21, 2006 by apothecary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites