teonanacatl Posted September 19, 2005 is it legal to make and sell drug precursors, like tryptamine, the nytrostyrenes, obviously the essential oils arnt illegal but is there any regulation on them, like only X amount of Xsubstance is allowed to be found in the oil??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2b Posted September 19, 2005 The essential oils that contain safrole are ilegal no doubt. As for precursors i imagine the same is true, but the most damming point would be how you explained what you needed them for.So even if by some stroke of luck the precursor was legal (i doubt many are) your dramas are just begining ........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teonanacatl Posted September 19, 2005 wouldnt some precursors have more non illegal uses then illegal uses andtherefore be watched as apposed to illegal? im more interested in the essential oil side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted September 19, 2005 Oils that contain safrole are NOT illegal to sell. They are just illegal to import. You can still buy them from various oil wholesalers, but because of the trouble the vendor can get into they will not sell to anyone where they think it might end up in the wrong hands (eg retail). The legality issue is a bit complex, but it is basically focused on 'conspiracy to manufacture'. Normally if a vendor was aware that his materials are used for drug manufacture then he is a co-conspiritor and can receive a sentence similar to if he actually did help manufacture. The aythorities try to stretch this definition a bit further and basically lean heavy on anyone selling anything that could be used for making drugs, threatening them with the co-conspiritor stuff until they get worried enough to stop. Also, keep in mind most of these businesses are very conservative, so they don't actually need to be leant on. The diversion code is a good example of this. Even though it is a voluntary code, virtually all vendors will adhere to it strictly. I am not sure what sort of real powers the authorities have with dealing with these vendors, but I would think a lot of it is standover tactics such as auditing books on a monthly basis, regular raids, posting observers on location etc etc. As it appears to me (and I may be wrong) there really are virtually no restrictions. Some precursors such as P2P and MDP2P are scheduled in their own right under some state legislations. Not sure about the nitrostyrenes. Some substances are only scheduled if no authorised use can be decalred (eg butyrolactone). There really is no single rule that applies. You would need to look at each precursor and look where it's legal limits are. For example I can't see anything wrong with anyone selling Palladium chloride as long as you don't label it as 'used for reductions of imines or for oxydation of allylbenzenes to ketones' If you want to sell things like tryptamine you better be ready for a visit though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green Chemist Posted September 23, 2005 Here is a list of chemicals that require a EUD, this being a End User Declaration. This list is from the TGA website: http://www.tga.gov.au/docs/pdf/export/trainprg.pdf Category I For Sale to Account Customers Only - EUD∗ Required CHEMICAL NAME ALTERNATIVE NAME Acetic Anhydride Bromobenzene Phenylbromide Bromo safrole Boron tribromide 1-Chlorophenyl-2-aminopropane L-Ephedrine (and salts) Ethyl Phenyl Acetate Methylbenzyl Acetate, Benzene acetic acid Gamma butryolactone GBL Gamma hydroxybutyrate GHB Hydriodic Acid Hydrogen lodide Hydrophosphorous acid Phosphinic acid Methcathinone 3,4 -Methylenedioxyphenolpropan -2-one N-Methyl Ephedrine Methyl Phenylacetate Benzeneacetic acid N-Methylpseudoephedrine Norpseudoephedrine Phenylacetamide Phenylacetic acid, salts & esters Phenylacetonitrile Benzyl Cyanide Phenylacetyl chloride 1-Phenyl-2-chloropropane 1-Phenyl-2-nitropropene Phenylpropanolamine 1-Phenyl-2-propanone oxime 1-Phenyl-2-propanone Benzyl Methyl Ketone Phenylacetone 1-Phenyl-2-propanol Phosphorous red / white Phosphorous acid Phosphonic acid Pseudoephedrine (and salts) Pyridine (∗ End User Declaration ) Category II EUD Only Required When Sold to Non-Account Customers CHEMICAL NAME ALTERNATIVE NAME N-Acetylanthranilic Acid Acetamidobenzoic Acid Ajacene Allylbenzene 3-Phenyl-1-propene Ammonium formate Anthranilic Acid 2- Aminobenzoic Acid Benzaldehyde Benzyl chloridea-chlorotoluene Benzyl bromide Calcium metal Chromate salts Chromium trioxide Dichromate salts Ergometrine Ergotamine N-Ethylephedrine N-Ethylpseudoephedrine Formamide Hypophosphite salts Iodine (salts) Isosafrole Lithium metal Lysergic Acid 9,10-Didehydro-6-methyl-ergoline-8 Carboxylic Acid Lysergic Acid Magnesium metal Methylamine (gas) Aminomethane / Monemethylamine Methylammonium salts N-Methylformamide Palladium (salts) Phenylalanine Piperidine Hexahydropyridine Pentamethylene Imine Piperonal 3,4-Methylenedioxy-benzaldehyde Heliotropine Potassium metal Propionic Anhydride Raney nickel Safrole Sassafras oil Sodium metal Thionyl Chloride Thorium (salts) APPLICABLE APPARATUS Gas cylinders: hydrogen sulfide gas, hydrogen chloride gas, hydrogen gas, ammonia gas, methylamine gas. Glassware: Round bottom reaction flask (>500mL), condenser (joint size B19 or greater), splash heads and distillation heads. Apparatus: Heating Mantles (>500mL), pill presses, rotary evaporators Category III No Reporting Required. This list should be used as guide to alert staff that these products may be used in illicit drug manufacture. CHEMICAL NAME ALTERNATIVE NAME Acetic Acid Acetone Acetonitrile Acetyl Chloride Chloroform Cyclohexanone Sextone Diethyl ether Ethyl Ether, Ether Formic acid Hydrogen Carboxylic Acid Hydrochloric acid Muriatic Acid, Hydrogen Chloride Lithium aluminium hydride LAH, Lithium Alanate, Aluminium Lithium Hydride Mercuric Chloride Mercury(II) Chloride, Mercury Bichloride Methyl ethyl ketone MEK, 2-Butanone, Ethyl Methyl Ketone Nitroethane Phosphorus pentachloride Phosphorus pentoxide Phosphoric Oxide, Phosphoric Anhydride Phosphorus trichloride Phosphorous Chloride Potassium cyanide Potassium permanganate Sodium acetate Sodium cyanide Sodium hydroxide Caustic Soda Sulphuric acid Tetrahydrofuran Toluene Methyl Benzene, Methyl Phenyl Methane Applicable apparatus: buchner funnels, buchner flasks, magnetic stirrer/hotplates, separating funnels, chemical balances, quickfit adapters. APPENDIX 3 Sample End User Declaration from The Code Of Practice (PACIA, SIA) The Chemical product(s) I wish to purchase is classi fied as a possible illicit drug precursor or auxiliary reagent. I understand that to be supplied this product a signed end-user declaration must be provided together with an order, on identifiabl e company stationery. (Please note that cash sal e transactions are not acceptable for Category 1 Items). Catalogue No. ....................... ....................... Product Name ....................... ....................... Quantity ....................... ....................... Pack Size ....................... ....................... Order No. ....................... ....................... Intended use: Analytical ¸ R & D ¸ Other ¸ Manufacturing ¸ Resal e ¸ Please speci fy full details of assay, project, product customer et c: …………………………………………………….. Purchaser Details and Declaration I, ……………………………………….(Full Name) being ……………………………………(Position) on behal f of _______________________________________________(Company or Institution) Address _______________________________________________ Account No: ________________________________ACN No:................... hereby declare that the above chemical product(s)/ apparatus will not be used for the manufacture of illicit drugs. Signature ____________________________________ Date________________________________________ Details of Collecting Agent's Identification ¸ Current Passport No:................................. Country of Issue …………… ¸ Current Photograph Licence No:................................. Expiry date ……………………… ¸ Photo Identifi cation Card Type............................………………………………………….. End User Distributor / Supplier Details and Declaration I, _____________________________(Full Name) being ………………………………………….(Position) on behal f of _______________________________________________(Company or Institution) Address _______________________________________________ Account No: ________________________________ACN No:................... hereby declare that the above chemical product(s)/ apparatus will not be used for the manufacture of illicit drugs. Signature ____________________________________ Date________________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted September 24, 2005 That list is from a voluntary code. If you don't sign up to the code then it is not binding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ergoamide Posted October 11, 2005 How recent is that document exactly. I think i recall it saying 2002, is there a newer one or is that one still current. I say that because i thought that nitroethane and LAH were very controlled and would have been in the same class as acetic anyhydride form what I've read, but then again it may have been that i just thought it would be like that coz it is in america. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
telemetric Posted October 11, 2005 PACIA website: CODE OF PRACTICE FOR SUPPLY DIVERSION INTO ILLICIT DRUG MANUFACTURE Click here to view the new updated 2005 Code of Practice for Supply Diversion into Illicit Drug Manufacture. This updated Code has been reviewed by the law enforcement agencies in partnership with industry through PACIA and Science Industry Australia. If you have any queries relating to this matter, or wish to obtain further information, please contact Margaret Donnan on (03) 9426 3805 or email [email protected] ;) or here... ; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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