planthelper Posted March 14, 2003 hi, all! allways got intrigued by the fact that, at international waters so they say: "you can do what ever you want"... i mean there is no law there, isnt it?? [ 14. March 2003, 14:22: Message edited by: planthelper ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted March 14, 2003 I think that's only so in the "Simpson's" All i know it's duty-free or tax-free in international waters... If there's no law, beware of pirates! They exist! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted March 14, 2003 International waters are not owned by anyone. Build your own island country! Every city has mass ammounts of broken concrete and whatnot that they will give away for free. Get some investors, find a shallow spot in international waters, get some ships that go from port to port collecting thousands of metric tons of concrete chunks and dump them at the site of your new island. As soon as the pile gets above water plant a flag and start making treaties. Tourism could be your biggest industry, it could be like a cross between the carabbean and amsterdam! All we need is some rich guys to buy the ships, fuel, food, at least one scientist, at least one lawyer, seeds to plant on the island, etc... As soon as the island was a few hundred acres and you had a capitol building, a hotel, and a ganga farm the tourists (and more investors) would start rolling in. You can load up with hundreds of tons of free concrete and fill dirt at any major port city, in Seattle I saw mountains of the stuff. Heres just a very small sample of people giving away concrete: A1503530 - BROKEN CONCRETE Available in Seattle Area, WA : Free broken concrete. Slabs, sidewalks, walls. Also fill dirt. Possible local delivery. Two and five yard loads. Loading available. CONTACT: Mike Thompson, Phone:(206)870-3006 A1104049 - CONCRETE BLOCKS Available in Everett, WA : Concrete blocks available for multiple uses. 1 cubic yard of high strength surplus concrete in each block. Take one or all. FREE, you pick-up or pay freight. Recurs at 25-30 weekly. CONTACT: Will Richardson, Ameron International Phone:(425)258-2616 Fax:(425)258-3322 A1106494 - REINFORCED CONCRETE PANELS Available in Portland, OR : 218 concrete panels heavily reinforced with rebar. Each panel is 8" thick, 45 1/2" wide, 129 1/2" long. Panels were originally used as sea wall along local river. Free. CONTACT: Marni Glick, City of Portland Phone:(503)823-7239 Fax:(503)823-4043 E-Mail: [email protected] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted March 15, 2003 to create more humus on top of all that concrete one would have to study what is done to disused quarrys. planting pioneer plants and so on. ice bergs, we would harverest for the best sweet water.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted March 15, 2003 Ok finisith the technicalities: We've got all the concrete, the island is several 100 acres, we got a capitol building, a ganJa farm, a research chemical factory, a coca plantation etc.... Now we have to make laws to keep right-wing (and left-wing)predators out...how do we go abut thAT? We need some population, people to have parties and raves with(look at me, never been to one),how can we prevent a new bush or howard? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted March 15, 2003 i dont know, but i know from nature that if you remove the alpha male (the dominante leader) an other individual will grow take his/her place and dominate... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted March 15, 2003 "a ganJa farm" Picky, picky- so I dont spell check things. Anyway, you avoid Bushs/Howards by making sure the population is intellegent and wise, by having FULL disclosure of all government affairs, by NOT stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, by NOT having political parties, by passing a law that any ruler who starts a war is immediatly removed from office, by NOT giving anyone too much power, have strict limitations on the ammount of political power any one person can have, by having true democrasy, have all laws apply to every person equally, by not enabling anyone to be able to commit war crimes, etc... And yeah, to build soil on top of the concrete you can get free fill dirt, free spent grain and food processing plant waste. And then you just gotta prime it with the right insects and micro organisms and plant soil building crops. For water first you would need to retrofit a cargo ship to serve as a desalination plant, then when the island is big enough you could build desalination plants (you could even build them off shore and have them powered by solar power to simultaneously heat the water and generate electricity for the plant, and use the ocean to condense the water vapor. In the underwater condensation array you could build turbines driven by ocean current to generate more electricity. Oh, and you would need invasive weed laws because the ecosystem would be pretty delicate for the first decade and you wouldnt want any soil destroying plants taking hold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted March 15, 2003 Forgot the most important thing: The Ethnobotanical Gardens... gotta have them! ooohhhhh, just thought of something...we'd better scrap that coke factory, or else the Americans will bomb us! [ 16. March 2003, 11:31: Message edited by: gomaos ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted March 16, 2003 Bruce Eisner has been working on such a concept for a few years. (do a search for Island foundation). It's a great idea, but he is totally the wrong person for it. It needs someone stable, competent and organised -- at least to get it started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thelema Posted March 22, 2003 actually, it HAS been done and there currently IS an international waters ISP run by the prince of sealand. They allow anything but childporn. checkout www.sealandgov.com [ 22. March 2003, 00:11: Message edited by: Thelema ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gilbert Nolander Posted April 1, 2003 One way to keep out all left/right wing politicians would be to make a law that all people who live on the island must not cheat on their wifes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted April 1, 2003 what about those who don't have wives? And if they cheat on their wives, how will you punish them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted April 1, 2003 those people might wish to get exposed to a substance capable of turning crooks into goodies... i like those monkeys somewhere that if, some dispute errupts right away exchange sexuall behavior...for example the "bum rub" two monkeys(people) of mostly same sex, stand back on back, just touching with there asses and rub. its a strong nonhomophobic excercise. but having sex with somebodys elses partner is indeed a very bad idea. a sphere of molecular crystal light: the colors of the rainbow are so pretty, i see friends shaking hands saying how to you do? all the mean to say is i love you... satchmo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
