Best legal high???

[mally454]

My last newbie question, I promise.

Over the passed week or so, I have literally been spending hours on the net searching various herbs, plants, etc, etc. I am so confused, it's not funny, but I'm getting there.

Because I am in a job where we get urine tested for various illegal substances, I am trying to find a nice alternative to MJ.

I am curious to know what you guys consider to be an acceptable substitute. (Can be smoked, eaten, tea, whatever).

[licorice]

heya mally,

drug tests are something that really gets up my nose (heheh), alcohol has to be responsible for more work related accidents/slackness than an other drug. to answer your question though, many of the plants dicussed here arent a great way to get high, theres a number of reasons for that: some are difficult to get (or require time for cultivation), others are difficult to consume (either volume of material required, manky taste or nauseating side effect), most have non-mainstream effects (ie, can blow your nut off or conversely be extremely subtle). finally many people consider the plants disscussed here deserve a certain degree of respect rather than simply being used as a quick way to get mashed. also it is worth pointing out that while many plants are legal to grow, preparing and consuming drugs from them is not. so as far as highs go i think many of illegal substances have more to offer than the plants here, because they are often cheaper, easier to aquire, prepare and take, and have a straight forward effects (not that i recommend illegal drug use since illegal drugs are illegal). Of the legal drugs i think that alcohol is the most versatile. of the natural hallucinogens, LSA, mescaline, and psilocybin are probably the most accesible. However, these drugs are illegal in many parts of the world, and where this is the case should not be consumed. where legal, gather as much info as possible on dosage effects and side effects (theres a good chance LSA and mesc will make you sick). DXM has been enjoyed recreationally, im not sure of the legal status but it is not routinely screened for (although there is mixed evidence that it may cause false positives for both PCP and opiates in high doses). LSD and ketamine are illegal in many places (and shouldnt be taken where this is the case) but not routinely screened for (k may cause false positives for PCP). im pretty sure there are other disscussions around this topic if you check the archives, hope you found some of this useful, and good luck.

[licorice]

alternatively carry a bottle of unadulterated child piss to work every day. you could even store it in the company fridge. be sure to label it 'apple juice'.

[Auxin]

"alternatively carry a bottle of unadulterated child piss to work every day."

Of course if you get caught either harvesting or buying urine from children some people might get the wrong idea

[jetblack]

Could be a bugger if someone tried to drink your apple juice.

[mally454]

Hey licorice. Thanks very much for the detailed reply.

I understand what you are saying in relation to plants being respected more than just 'used' for recreation.

I'm 33 and should know better, but I am just so sick of going to parties/functions and not being able to participate in the 'fun' substances life has to offer. I'm not a drinker either, so I can't find relief in the bottle.

Thanks again.

[Ed Dunkel]

Originally posted by Auxin:

"alternatively carry a bottle of unadulterated child piss to work every day."

Unfortunately they could also do hair tests. So you might want to wax your whole body (eyebrows and eyelashes included, we presume your hairy balls will be waxed, we also presume you are male)

I guess when they see you hairless though, they might wonder why? And will probably draw some quick conclusions.

If you know when they will probably do a test you can have some fun just before hand (~ a week) as the hair inside the folicle will contain the substances they would like to find. And this will take about a week to grow out. This is presuming they cut the hair off and don't pull the hair out otherwise you won't have a chance.

(a friend of mine had to go through a drug test resently, at an American brewing company no less, what double standards...)

E D

[Yeti101]

Is there a test for Salvinorin A? I know it is illegal here, and soon to be in the U.S. I think, but it might be obscure enough to get by them.

[licorice]

Originally posted by Auxin:

Of course if you get caught either harvesting or buying urine from children some people might get the wrong idea  

no need to harvest your own or loiter around public toilets waving large denomination bills at minors : http://www.whattheheck.com/ebay/cleanpee.html

yeti~

there is no test for salvinorin, the standard drug test screens for opiates, coke, amphetamines, pot and pcp. some drugs may cause a false positive test (eg poppy seeds for opiates, ketamine for pcp). because salvinorin is structurally unrelated to other illicit drugs and effective in such small doses it will not cause false positives for other substances.

[Torsten]

smoked DMT is unlikely to show up as far as I can tell. Even taken with a MAOI like moclobemide should be OK. Harmaline is a different story though.

all of the above are illegal in oz though.

[mally454]

Oh well. I'll just stick to playing scrabble at parties for my fun.

Or, I could just drink a carton of VB and smoke 6 pkts of ciggies. Those things are legal so they must be good for us.

[gomaos]

What's wrong with unadultered child piss?

I think it's a brilliant idea.

If you haven't got your own children, ask someone who has a friend or so, and they'll tell their kids...big deal?

I suppose you'd have to refridgerate it to keep it good....

And what about all this websites selling urine-test-falsifiers?

The new Zealand guy who used to sell 14b does, and "high times" in america does...

Has anyone tried them?

Anything will do in the fight against this bastards who are trying to tell us what to do with OUR OWN BODIES AND MINDS...

f...them to hell

The revolution is long overdue (50 years)

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[Auxin]

"What's wrong with unadultered child piss?"

Hmmm, must be different over where you are. In the US part of our war on everything is the war on child molestation (it started after the war on drugs began, and befor the war on terror) americans have actually been arrested for bathing their own children. In american jails if you really piss off the guards they tell the inmates that your a child molester, the best thing you can do then is hang yourself so you die quickly. Between the media saying 'your neighbor could be a communist' and 'yor neighbor could be a terrorist' they had to make up something to fill the void and drugs wasnt quite enough to cause the desired level of paranoia and hate. After all- if americans stopped seeing their neighbors as enemies, they might realize that the government is the real enemy (they take 47% of our income, use it to commit war crimes in our name, remove any trace of constitutional rights, influence other governments policies and power structures (my apologies to the aussies for my gov making yours ban S. divinorum, my apologies to the palistinians for my gov sending bombs to israel, my apologies for the hundreds of thousands of radiological bombs dropped on iraq, my apologies to germany for insisting on such insanely high world war 1 reperations that it crippled your economy and primed your country for hitlers rise to power, my apologies to both koreas, vietnam, china, russia, every european country, every north and south american country, every african country, hell- EVERY COUNRTY).

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[Happas]

my apologies to germany for insisting on such insanely high world war 1 reperations that it crippled your economy and primed your country for hitlers rise to power

Britain and France should be apologising for that one - though John Keynes did call Woodrow Wilson 'The Greatest Fraud on Earth'

[nabraxas]

only those who were aware ov & supported the policies at the time or now, need appologise.

should all white people appologise to all black people for slavery?

or all men appologise to all women for the ages it took for them to just get the vote?

should all germans appologise to all jews for the holocaust?

i believe my treating all people equally, fighting predjudice where i find it, etc; does more for the world than feeling guilty about the sins ov the ruling classes (or my father).

this is exactly the reason PM howard should, & wont appologise (on behalf ov the govt. that persued racist & devisive policies) to the aboriginies.

[Auxin]

"only those who were aware ov & supported the policies at the time or now, need appologise."

My logic is that every person who knows that their tax dollars go to fund crimes against humanity, but still pay taxes rather than go to jail are complicit in the crimes of their government. Besides, I know my government will never apologise but I think someone should. I guess you could consider it sympathy or mutual outrage rather than apology. If nothing else I like to make it clear that not all americans are greedy genocidal bigoted war criminal bastards that air-drop uranium powder on small villages, blow up water treatment plants, detain and execute people without even credible evidence of wrong doing, violate the geneva convention at every turn, etc.

Anyway, I'll shut up now- I think I got a little off topic and if I say anymore the FBI will come after me.

[nabraxas]

auxin- by your friendly & well informed, yet open attitude; we can tell your 'not you typical american'

as to tax dollars, i agree in theory- but it's pretty harsh in practice. besides you do more good spreading this kind ov thinking out here, rather than jail. imho.

also, i prefer to attack the banks. i have a postoffice account for my pay(have to be paid electronically), which i empty on payday. i have never had a credit card or any loan, & i plan to eventually buy a dwelling outright. it's the banks/the market who make the biggest profits from war, arms, famine, drugs, fasion etc. & here in australia w/all the charges they apply/profits they make, - there's an advert that says "you can get loyalty from your dog, why can't you get it from your bank?"

[t st tantra]

get ye self a star jasmine,i doubt their testing for iboga type alkaloids yet.

brug.heimia.yohimbie.theres many when you look !

t s t .

[Torsten]

i ws going to suggest ibogaine, but held back cos I usually get shot down in flames when I suggest ibogaine as a recreational. In small doses this is shitloads of fun.

[Guest VENDEJO]

A friend of a friend of a gnome would agree with Torsten here and say smoked DMT.

L-Tryptophan is nice in large doses.

Smoked mexican poppy is OK as a last resort substitute.

This gnome says "stay away from psychedelic plants that originated in England, as well as Absinthe and LSA (i.e. Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose)". This gnome says "show some respect for your organic brain".

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[Guest VENDEJO]

Most gnomes would also recommend checking out urine-test cleansing teas, shampoos and other drinks that help you pass these drug tests. Many offer guarantees.

[shroomy]

mally i share you pain, i to am subject to these random intrusions into my private life, but all is not lost, for three years i managed to avoid detection(i should point out that i gave up mj after that) from mj by simply cutting down to just a cone or two a week ussaually corrasponding to the first day of the weekend. I dont know what sort of test you are doing but im presuming its a roach screening cup folowed by a more advanced method should you fail that. the australian standard cut of point for THC is 0.50ng per 100 mls of blood. to get to this level is relative easy but if you limit your smoking to a couple cones a week and your not overweight or you have a good fast metabilism you should be right to pass a screening test; if however you are unlucky enough to be on a first strike your out thing than disregard the above.. And forget the child piss thing unless you have a way to keep it at around 35 to 38c they test for tempreture and they also test for high creatine levels and other adulterants. also when you supply your test make sure its not the first urine passed for a long period and exspeicially not the first for the day, and always give them mid stream IE: not the first or last bits. A very clever little gnome i know asked hes drug tester if he could have two test cups because he suspected hes children were taking (god forbid) illicit substances, after obtaining these cups he went home and mistakingly swallowed 4g,s of cubensis (mmmmmmmmmmm cubensis ) well he thought i wonder if this will show up so he pee,d in the cup and guess what nothing, so being a smart gnome he waited till the next morning and repeated the test, and again nothing. the moral of hes story is that there are many things out there that in small doses that can be great fun and they have the advantage of not being tested for or have such a short half life that unless you have taken them immeaditly prior to the test you wont get caught. BY ALL MEANS BE CAREFUL and make sure you understand exactly what you injest and what it will likly do to you, and for god sake try anything in small doses at home first not ever for the first time in party situation or you will likly live to regret it. anyway goodluck with it .

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[Auxin]

"Most gnomes would also recommend checking out urine-test cleansing teas, shampoos and other drinks that help you pass these drug tests."

Unfortunatly most dont work. A guy I know recently got fired because his 'guarenteed to work' piss cleaning drink did nothing. I've heard this type of report many times.

"Many offer guarantees."

Which they rarely honor.

My sisters steroid shooting rabbid marine ex-husband had a great system for beating the steroid tests- pay off the chemist that does the test. Kind of strange, my government supplies amphetamines to the soldiers to keep 'em awake but they are always on the lookout to bust soldiers who take steroids to make 'em strong. Figure that out! And now they are funding research on genetically engeneered super soldiers so publicly that it was allowed on CNN! (Funny how half my governments recent activities exactly mirror nazi germany- its a bad sign of things to come. A very, very bad sign. Well at least our current 'illegal combatant' concentration camps have not yet turned into death camps, or have they? Hmmmmm).

Ok, starting to rant. I'll shut up now.

[Guest VENDEJO]

Well Hitler headed a National Socialist Worker's Party, and now we have a Nationalistic Totalitarian Socialist Oligarchy.

U*S*A U*S*A U*S*A

[Gwydion]

Auxin: "Well at least our current 'illegal combatant' concentration camps have not yet turned into death camps, or have they? Hmmmmm)."

It´s not quite the same thing, but there is currently a video in the hands of the German government, the UN, and now the US government which was made by a couple of german journalists in afghanistan just after the defeat of the taliban. There is currently a hush-hush inquiry being held in the UN about it.

The reason? At least 3000 (maybe up to 8000) pakistani, saudi, chechen, etc taliban prisoners got on a train (the article was unclear- it might have been a train of trucks), but at the other end 3000 afghani taliban got off, and the "train" was full of bullet holes. The video apparently shows the northern alliance, under instruction from US military officers, shooting into the transport vehicles "to give the prisoners air", because they had been complaining of the stifling conditions (and/ or it interviews some of the people present. I can´t find the article at the moment).

The journalists also found the remains of an equivalent no. of bodies several months later in the middle of the desert, many still with pakistani and other labels of their clothes.

I got this info from the UN mail service itself, but haven´t heard any updates for a few months.

Smile- the white man´s burden of democracy just got lifted.

Right, I´m going to the jungle. See ya´ll later.