Trichocereus macrogonus

[trucha]

I'm looking for old photos of macrogonus.

I was curious if anyone is aware of photographic images from pre1900? I'm still trying to obtain a sharper copy of the only one that I've located so far (1893).

Thanks in advance.

[PhoenixSon]

Maybe PM EG, perty sure he has some old books on cactus, dont know how old tho... good luck!

[Evil Genius]

I will be checking my books for this. I think i got some pics but i dont think there are any that old. If there were, the taxonomists wouldnt have such problems finding out what species it is. Do you know the picture from the suspected Macro in Backebergs Cactaceae?

[trucha]

Yes, thanks though for the thought.

Koehres' comment macrogonus had been displaced and the old one was only really used for grafting by some people still suggests it is there but forgotten in significance since its not as showy like the newer versions. I'll post that one image I found and it might be more obvious why this could be lost even if in plain sight.

What would be really sweet is locating an herbarium voucher but good luck after the destruction produced by more than one war.

[M S Smith]

Oh my, I'm dying to see the picture from 1893! Got any details about where the photo was taken, who took it, what garden was it deposited in, etc., etc., etc? That might help someone search.

~Michael~

[trucha]

An interesting but inadequate image of Cereus macrogonus published in 1893

 

 

 

From B. von Ladenberg. 1893. Monatsschrift für Kakteenkunde. 3: 70-74 . "Die Kakteen und Sukkulenten auf der internationalen Ausstellung in Gent."

On page 70 Cereus macrogonus is said to be the tallest column to the left of center in the image on page 71.

Not too much detail is in the text other than the collection location (Ghent, Belgium) and the ID of the plant.

One big problem is that two major wars have ravaged Europe since that time. Lots of destruction in the course of violent events certainly but a huge loss also came about when intact greenhouses were pressed into service for food production both during and following wartime. Many collections of succulents were lost during those winters.

Edited September 14, 2012 by trucha

[C_T]

hmmm, wonder if its anything like the "Bogan" clone that goes around in aus?

i always think "bogan" is a macro from the descriptions. in my avatar.

[Evil Genius]

Thanks a lot for sharing Trucha! Sadly its pretty much impossible to pin it to a certain clone with this picture. At a certain size many San Pedro look very similar. Maybe this can be cleared when theres better ways of zooming into pictures. Im still in the process of browsing through my books but i doubt i will find one thats older.

[C_T]

for that size it looks thicker than pedro's ive seen nearly 3x that height in the ground.

[trucha]

It also looks reminiscent of what Blossfeld sent to Oz in 1935 as Trichocereus macrogonus -- assuming much of anything can be said based on that tiny image.

I'm trying to get a nicer copy of the original with the unlikely hope that any more detail can be gleaned.

[Evil Genius]

Well, the only thing i can say is that it looks not nearly as spiny as an original Macrogonus is actually said to look like from backebergs cactaceae. On the first look, it could either be the "typical" macrogonus version that is around in germany http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=29490

or the one that some german cactus dinosaurs refered to me as macrogonus

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=29456

[trucha]

These two images show parts of one plant that grew from what Blossfeld called macrogonus and sent to Oz in 1935.

In the 1930s Backeberg was still commenting peruvianus should be viewed as a synonym of macrogonus. He seemed to change his mind sometime after Werdermann tried renaming peruvianus as Cereus rosei.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't like the blurry historical view of macrogonus but what Albesiano and Kiesling attempted by completely absorbing peruvianus into macrogonus and renaming pachanoi as a subspecies of macrogonus is really interesting.

[Evil Genius]

I know that type or clone and i grew some of them too. Very common in germany but mostly labeled as Peruvianus. Will post pics later.

[gerbil]

that second tip trout instantly reminded me of 'old ted's macro', a 'macrogonus' from a old fellas yard in melbourne, vic., it's hard to often get the right angle to communicate a specific feel it gives off, but your picture captured it well and is the feel/image of what I assosiciate with this clone i have.

Could get other shots if you're interested, these are some older ones.

Edited September 16, 2012 by gerbil

[trucha]

An image from Berger's 1929 Kakteen that shows an interesting plant on the left - despite how short it was cut.

 

 

 

[trucha]

I thought this one was interesting in terms of consistency. Even with the crappy quality.

From a 1934 Kakteenkunde