Chemtrails over Newcastle

[Sallubrious]

Today the sun finally showed itself for the first time in ages so I took the opportunity to get out into the garden. As soon as I looked skyward I noticed a plane (unmarked) dropping a filthy big chemtrail, seconds later another appeared and then another.

They all sprayed their filth and then climbed rapidly and disappeared from view.

The trails spread out for hours and blended into murky mess covering the entire sky.

This has happened several times in the last few months and every time we have (coincidently) had extended periods of torrential rain and flooding following these campaigns. The last two campaigns were done on a scale that was absolutely enormous, over 50 planes spraying chemtrails each day was not uncommon.

This is being done mid winter so saying that aerosols are being employed to reflect solar radiation does not make any sense, clearly this is for something else. As a side note no chemtrails were observed last summer when we had 45 degree days.

Looking on the web today I found a few articles about a Newcastle Uni professor (Assoc Prof Colin Waters) pushing for for a HAARP facility at Williamtown, Williamtown airbase just happens to be a joint military/commercial airport.This is another coincidence that seems uncanny, chemtrails explode at an exponential rate while a HAARP facility is being actively lobbied for.

Meddling with the Ionosphere is suspect to say the least and all of a sudden we have visible signs of meddling in lower levels like the troposphere & Stratosphere, what gives them the right to meddle with the planet on such a scale ?

These chemtrails just didn't happen in years past, there has always been contrails but these are different they last for hours and spread out covering hundreds of square kilometres.

Does anyone know if the HAARP facility has been deployed at Williamtown ?

[.dg]

what chemical(s) are they spraying and why?

get out the foil hats

[WoodDragon]

Photos?

[Sallubrious]

get out the foil hats

 

or just bury your head in the sand

[bℓσωηG]

they could be releasing the new and improved flu strain for 2011 or testing some other population controlling genetically tampered with virus. keep an eye out for respirtory infection rates increasing in you area sallyD videotape it next time and show the world

[Sallubrious]

I don't buy into unfounded conspiracy theories, but when there is something being rubbed in my face with no explanation I can't help but wonder what the fuck is going on.

Can someone not prone to bouts of "tinfoil hattedness" explain these facts to me.

1 There are up to 10 flights per hour travelling north along the Sydney to Brisbane flight path flying at lower altitude than the regular commercial flights, dropping chemtrails that spread out and do not dissipate like normal contrails. Even if all the commercial carriers were to schedule Sydney to Brisbane flights so close (Unlikely) there would not be enough passengers to justify them being there.

2 The planes are unmarked. All commercial carriers are easily identifiable even from underneath.

3 They are not military planes - the airbase at Williamtown is close and I've seen all their planes regularly.

4 The planes appear to be well below the normal altitude where contrails form. Judged by observation of thousands of commercial flights and the relative size the planes appear at different altitudes.

ABC HAARP for Newcastle

Chemtrails admitted

[∂an]

be careful jumping to conclusions. the wingtip vortices on planes create contrails. most high altitude air liners look to me like they are unmarked, just white. when I was living near geneva the huge amount of air traffic would artificially create clouds as the contrails built up.

weird shit happens in the world, and unfounded claims like chemtrails just serve to murky the waters of the collective understanding of reality.

[Zen Peddler]

Dodgy shit mate.

[Bert&Ernie]

This is very interesting SallyD. Do you have a video camera so that you can video tape it and upload? then we can all see for our selves.

[Slybacon]

I see them here frequently, not for some 6 months. Gotta be careful after rain tho, as CON Trails can hang for a while after extended wet weather. Also late in the arvo you can see a con trail for a lot longer than usual.

I did see a plane the other day that freaked me out a little. Was definately spraying, you could even see the fixtures to the wing seperate from the engines, the trail didn't hang like other chem trails I have seen tho.

Video them for analysis.

[Sallubrious]

I've only got a phone camera but I did get a few stills before I had to go out.

The first trail at the bottom of the pic was sprayed about 20 mins before I took the pic and it spread out to at least 20 km wide, the next one down spread out for around 2 hours and covered hundreds of square kilometres as well.

The curved trail at the bottom appears like a normal contrail and it dissipated within 10 mins, you can see the tail end of it fading

In the afternoon there were trails forming from planes below the clouds, which doesn't prove anything but it is uncommon.

[qualia]

just what are they up to?

 

[synchromesh]

be careful jumping to conclusions. the wingtip vortices on planes create contrails. most high altitude air liners look to me like they are unmarked, just white. when I was living near geneva the huge amount of air traffic would artificially create clouds as the contrails built up.

weird shit happens in the world, and unfounded claims like chemtrails just serve to murky the waters of the collective understanding of reality.

 

Someone obviously hasn't done their research...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxNeoXkL0mM

[occidentalis]

Contrails will form in air that is cold and/or moist. The amount of time they hang around for depends on the turbulence of the air and also the temperature and humidity. They usually form in the upper atmosphere, because the air is colder, but can form at lower altitudes if conditions are right. They tend to form at higher latitudes for the same reason; you don't see them in Perth very much (also because planes don't fly over Perth; they tend to be taking off or landing when you see them in the sky here, but contrails do form occasionally here. I have seen them much more often further south around Esperance where the air is colder and also the plans are flying higher.

How do you know these trails are something other than normal contrails?

Regarding the virus hypothesis, if someone wanted to infect people with a virus they wouldn't fly around in a plane and advertise it, they'd just spray a small amount around on public transport or a crowded public place. That would start the pandemic.

Edited July 25, 2011 by occidentalis

[Slybacon]

Regarding the virus hypothesis, if someone wanted to infect people with a virus they wouldn't fly around in a plane and advertise it, they'd just spray a small amount around on public transport or a crowded public place. That would start the pandemic.

 

Not if the country you were targeting had signed a free sky's agreement/treaty.

I think that a more plausable motive for chemtrail operations would be modifying the atmosphere to carry signal further or conduct electricity better. Turn our upper atmosphere into a plasma state. There is some support for this in HAARP research.

Edited July 25, 2011 by Slybacon

[HeroicDose]

Over Waratah Village - this looks very much like a chemtrail to me

 

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjDCtbGUF8E

 

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fl0u6liIFc

[HeroicDose]

And another

 

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds6c_y8jv9w

[Sallubrious]

How do you know these trails are something other than normal contrails?

 

Just by the appearance, these things spread out for many miles and linger for hours, something a contrail cannot do.

15 years ago there were no chemtrails and they all dissipated at a reasonably fast rate, now they linger for hours.

[Slybacon]

Just by the appearance, these things spread out for many miles and linger for hours, something a contrail cannot do.

15 years ago there were no chemtrails and they all dissipated at a reasonably fast rate, now they linger for hours.

 

Contrail formation, Day explained, depends on the relative humidity of the atmosphere-- he ratio of what is to what could be at a particular temperature. When relative humidity is low, contrails dissipate within seconds. But when relative humidity is high, especially at the subzero temperatures of the upper atmosphere, the addition of even a tiny amount of water vapor acts as a catalyst. Under these conditions, contrails may linger and spread to cover the whole sky. ..

http://www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm

Point Two- Contrail Persistance and growth

Many chemtrail theorists claim that contrails do not spread out, but chemtrails do. This is very untrue and shows a lack of knowledge of how the upper atmosphere works. If the atmosphere is moist enough to hold a contrail for an extended length, chances are that it will spread out to cover sky, forming a layer of cloud known as cirrostratus. If the atmosphere is dry, then the contrail will fail to persist and growth will not occur or will be limited. It should be mentioned that weather balloons are used to retrieve data in the atmosphere, then that information is used against the Appleman chart for forecasting purposes.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html

Background: Military planners have been interested in condensation trail (contrail) forecasts since World War II. Contrails can make any aircraft easy to locate by enemy forces, and no amount of modern stealth technology can hide an aircraft if it leaves a persistent contrail in its wake. In 1953, a scientist named H. Appleman published a chart that can be used to determine when a jet airplane would or would not produce a contrail. For many years, the US Air Force Global Weather Center used a similar chart to make contrail forecasts.

Edited July 25, 2011 by Slybacon

[The Dude]

Now the tin foil hatter will say that due to the spread of conventional contrails lingering as they do, this is the perfect cover for dumping toxins / metals / whatever it is that they're spraying.

The idea that a small amount of water vapour could cause a chain reaction of condensation always seemed to make sense, although I would always discount this logic for that dreaded feeling that the powers that be are intent on poisoning me. I still maintain my paranoia that there may well be malicious intent (control trip) behind at least some of the phenomenon.

I saw the strangest thing on youtube (cbf looking it up now) where there appeared to be a darkened line through the clouds on the same trajectory of a plane apparently spraying chemtrails, like it was following this path. There was discussion on possible holographic projections to explain this weirdness, it didn't seem to make any sense in any case. A while later I saw the same thing with my own eyes, I've got no idea on an explenation. Anyone ever see anything similar?

[synchromesh]

I don't care how cold it is; contrails can not blanket the sky for hours on end.

[Sallubrious]

Here is the data for Williamtown yesterday, Williamtown Airport is within 20 kms of the observed trails

94776 YSWM Williamtown Amo Raaf Observations at 00Z 24 Jul 2011

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PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV

hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K

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1019.0 8 11.2 7.4 77 6.38 290 11 282.8 300.6 283.9

1000.0 163 9.0 6.1 82 5.94 280 12 282.1 298.7 283.2

999.0 171 8.8 6.1 83 5.94 278 12 282.0 298.6 283.0

979.0 340 9.8 5.1 73 5.65 239 11 284.7 300.7 285.6

962.0 485 9.0 3.6 69 5.17 205 11 285.3 300.0 286.2

925.0 811 7.2 0.2 61 4.22 205 12 286.7 298.9 287.4

919.0 864 6.8 -0.3 61 4.10 200 12 286.8 298.7 287.5

864.0 1368 3.2 -4.8 56 3.11 222 12 288.1 297.4 288.7

858.0 1424 2.7 -3.1 66 3.56 225 12 288.2 298.7 288.8

850.0 1500 2.0 -0.8 82 4.26 225 11 288.2 300.7 289.0

836.0 1634 1.2 -0.9 86 4.30 222 11 288.8 301.3 289.5

810.0 1887 -0.4 -2.9 84 3.84 215 10 289.7 301.0 290.3

790.0 2087 -1.7 -4.4 82 3.51 215 5 290.4 300.8 291.0

784.0 2148 -1.3 -6.6 67 2.99 215 3 291.4 300.4 291.9

780.0 2189 -1.1 -8.1 59 2.67 217 4 292.1 300.2 292.5

759.0 2406 -2.3 -29.5 10 0.44 225 10 293.0 294.5 293.1

753.0 2469 -2.7 -35.7 6 0.24 220 10 293.3 294.1 293.3

736.0 2648 -3.7 -41.4 4 0.14 205 11 294.1 294.6 294.1

705.0 2987 -5.6 -52.1 1 0.04 225 11 295.7 295.8 295.7

700.0 3043 -5.9 -53.9 1 0.04 225 12 295.9 296.1 295.9

648.0 3643 -10.1 -29.1 20 0.54 225 18 297.8 299.6 297.9

638.0 3763 -9.5 -50.5 2 0.06 225 20 299.8 300.0 299.8

609.0 4121 -11.7 -28.7 23 0.59 225 23 301.2 303.3 301.4

597.0 4274 -13.2 -20.0 57 1.32 225 25 301.2 305.5 301.4

595.0 4299 -13.5 -18.5 66 1.50 227 25 301.2 306.1 301.4

578.0 4516 -15.1 -20.4 64 1.31 240 26 301.8 306.1 302.1

544.0 4970 -18.4 -24.5 59 0.97 235 32 303.1 306.4 303.3

505.0 5527 -22.5 -29.5 53 0.66 222 26 304.7 307.0 304.8

500.0 5600 -23.1 -30.1 53 0.63 220 25 304.8 307.0 304.9

450.0 6354 -29.4 -37.0 48 0.36 235 28 306.2 307.5 306.2

415.0 6934 -34.3 -42.3 44 0.22 225 32 307.1 307.9 307.1

400.0 7190 -36.7 -42.7 54 0.22 220 34 307.2 308.0 307.2

374.0 7642 -40.5 -46.1 55 0.16 210 34 308.1 308.8 308.2

350.0 8088 -44.2 -49.5 56 0.12 245 35 309.0 309.4 309.0

320.0 8690 -49.3 -54.0 58 0.08 251 40 310.0 310.3 310.0

305.0 9003 -50.7 -57.7 43 0.05 254 43 312.3 312.5 312.3

300.0 9110 -51.5 -57.5 49 0.05 255 44 312.6 312.9 312.7

283.0 9488 -54.7 -59.5 55 0.04 260 47 313.3 313.5 313.3

274.0 9696 -53.9 -68.9 14 0.01 259 52 317.4 317.4 317.4

250.0 10290 -52.3 -78.3 3 0.00 255 65 328.2 328.2 328.2

241.0 10528 -51.8 -79.2 2 0.00 250 68 332.3 332.3 332.3

200.0 11740 -49.5 -83.5 1 0.00 255 82 354.2 354.2 354.2

191.0 12042 -49.1 -83.1 1 0.00 260 84 359.6 359.6 359.6

184.0 12287 -48.7 -82.7 1 0.00 260 83 364.1 364.1 364.1

150.0 13620 -52.3 -85.3 1 0.00 260 76 379.8 379.8 379.8

134.0 14344 -55.3 -87.3 1 0.00 260 66 386.9 386.9 386.9

125.0 14785 -55.8 -87.8 1 0.00 255 73 393.8 393.8 393.8

104.0 15951 -57.0 -89.0 1 0.00 250 51 412.6 412.6 412.6

100.0 16200 -57.3 -89.3 1 0.00 255 52 416.7 416.8 416.7

95.3 16505 -55.7 -87.7 1 0.00 259 49 425.6 425.7 425.6

89.0 16939 -56.1 -88.1 1 0.00 265 45 433.3 433.3 433.3

82.8 17397 -56.5 -88.5 1 0.00 252 32 441.5 441.5 441.5

82.0 17458 -56.9 -88.8 1 0.00 250 30 441.9 441.9 441.9

78.0 17772 -58.9 -90.2 1 0.00 265 37 444.1 444.2 444.1

76.0 17935 -59.9 -90.9 1 0.00 257 36 445.3 445.3 445.3

73.0 18187 -59.0 -90.0 1 0.00 245 35 452.3 452.3 452.3

70.0 18450 -58.1 -89.1 1 0.00 240 22 459.7 459.8 459.7

69.0 18541 -58.0 -89.1 1 0.00 245 20 461.8 461.8 461.8

67.0 18726 -57.9 -89.0 1 0.00 265 23 465.9 465.9 465.9

61.0 19317 -57.5 -88.9 1 0.00 260 19 479.4 479.5 479.4

60.0 19421 -57.5 -88.9 1 0.00 275 21 481.9 481.9 481.9

57.0 19744 -57.2 -88.9 1 0.00 255 18 489.5 489.5 489.5

55.0 19969 -57.1 -88.8 1 0.00 290 14 494.8 494.9 494.8

52.0 20323 -56.9 -88.8 1 0.00 255 16 503.4 503.4 503.4

51.0 20445 -56.8 -88.7 1 0.00 275 16 506.4 506.4 506.4

50.0 20570 -56.7 -88.7 1 0.00 275 17 509.4 509.4 509.4

46.0 21101 -55.9 -88.2 1 0.00 250 17 523.7 523.7 523.7

44.0 21384 -55.4 -87.9 1 0.00 285 14 531.5 531.5 531.5

43.0 21531 -55.2 -87.8 1 0.00 285 15 535.5 535.5 535.5

42.0 21681 -55.0 -87.6 1 0.00 310 14 539.7 539.7 539.7

40.0 21991 -54.5 -87.3 1 0.00 290 17 548.5 548.5 548.5

39.0 22153 -54.2 -87.2 1 0.01 240 5 553.1 553.1 553.1

38.4 22251 -54.1 -87.1 1 0.01 262 6 555.9 556.0 555.9

36.0 22663 -54.8 -87.4 1 0.01 355 10 564.5 564.6 564.5

35.0 22843 -55.1 -87.5 1 0.01 315 16 568.3 568.4 568.3

33.0 23219 -55.7 -87.7 1 0.01 300 17 576.3 576.3 576.3

30.0 23830 -52.3 -85.3 1 0.01 315 13 601.5 601.5 601.5

29.4 23961 -51.7 -84.7 1 0.01 324 11 606.6 606.7 606.6

29.0 24049 -51.9 -84.9 1 0.01 330 10 608.3 608.4 608.3

28.0 24276 -52.5 -85.5 1 0.01 0 11 612.8 612.9 612.8

26.8 24559 -53.3 -86.3 1 0.01 351 13 618.3 618.4 618.4

26.0 24755 -52.9 -86.0 1 0.01 345 14 624.8 624.9 624.8

22.0 25839 -50.8 -84.6 1 0.01 350 20 661.5 661.7 661.5

20.4 26328 -49.9 -83.9 1 0.02 334 30 678.8 679.0 678.8

20.0 330 33

Station information and sounding indices

Station identifier: YSWM

Station number: 94776

Observation time: 110724/0000

Station latitude: -32.80

Station longitude: 151.83

Station elevation: 8.0

Showalter index: 5.42

Lifted index: 6.00

LIFT computed using virtual temperature: 6.00

SWEAT index: 46.99

K index: -23.70

Cross totals index: 22.30

Vertical totals index: 25.10

Totals totals index: 47.40

Convective Available Potential Energy: 0.00

CAPE using virtual temperature: 0.00

Convective Inhibition: 0.00

CINS using virtual temperature: 0.00

Bulk Richardson Number: 0.00

Bulk Richardson Number using CAPV: 0.00

Temp [K] of the Lifted Condensation Level: 277.78

Pres [hPa] of the Lifted Condensation Level: 930.17

Mean mixed layer potential temperature: 283.61

Mean mixed layer mixing ratio: 5.78

1000 hPa to 500 hPa thickness: 5437.00

Precipitable water [mm] for entire sounding: 13.08

 

Here is the Appleman chart

So if we look at the temp for a very low flying plane yesterday (and be very conservative so as not to underestimate the the altitude of the said planes at the time in question, taking an altitude of 7000 metres as the estimated altitude (the planes were closer to 6000 meters in my estimate which would eliminate the possibility of a trail even forming)

We will see on the Williamtown data (I have highlighted the relevant line in bold & underlined it on the first chart) that the air temp at that altitude was indeed just within the range to form a contrail on the Appleman chart given the published relative humidity at that altitude. The temp at that altitude was published as -34.3 degress and the pressure in hectopascals was published to be 415 Hpa and the relative humidity was stated as 44%, this is really a stretch to say that a trail will form under such conditions but there can be other mitigating factors that influence the formation of contrails so we will accept without question that a contrail did indeed occur.

Now if we look at the dew point for the said altitude/pressure at that time we will see that the dew point was published to be -42.3 degrees. So for a contrail to persist and form into a cloud the the actual temp would have to have been 8 degrees colder than it was on the day, so a contrail (if it did indeed exist) would rapidly evaporate.

We will also see that all altitudes commonly used by commercial liners and well above that the dew point is much lower than the actual temp making it impossible for a contrail to persist and form into a cloud.

I apologise for the loss of formatting but the data is all there.

Here is a link to the site providing the data for the atmospheric conditions if anyone can't make sense of the chart I posted -sans formatting, all you need to do is enter the the correct date and location and you can find the data for your area.

Atmospheric soundings

Where did I put that foil hat ?

[Slybacon]

A commercial Airliner can cruise at 9000m to 12000m.

A320-200

Cruise Altitude 35 ,000 ft (10668 m)

"The A320 can carry up to 180 passengers within Australia and New Zealand and 180 passengers on intra Asia flights. It offers the widest cabin of any single-aisle aircraft in the sky. The A320 is a proven and reliable aircraft with low operating costs - which means more savings for our customers."

 

PRES 305.0hPa HGHT 9003m TEMP -50.7C DWPT -57.7C RELH 43%

PRES 300.0hPa HGHT 9110m TEMP -51.5C DWPT 57.5C RELH 49%

PRES 283.0hPa HGHT 9488m TEMP -54.7C DWPT -59.5C RELH 55%

PRES 250.0hPa HGHT 10290m TEMP -52.3C DWPT -78.3C RELH 3%

PRES 191.0hPa HGHT 12042m TEMP -49.1C DWPT -83.1C RELH 1%

 

Jetstar Flight (JQ 810) - Sydney to Brisbane would been within the Appleman chart to form a contrail according to the data.

As for HAARP at Williamtown RAAF base. If they were spraying for applications related to HAARP they would be targeting the Ionosphere which is 50,000 m and above. This is what they are using HAARP to manipulate, ultra heating the ionosphere.

If you were to see jets spraying chemtrails for HAARP applications they would be very very high up.

Edited July 25, 2011 by Slybacon

[Sallubrious]

The altitude was what was so strinking about the incident Sly, normally planes fly higher than 11k over that zone as they traverse the approach zone for the airport.

I arrived at the figure of 6000 metres by a method shown to me by a aircraft engineer (from Williamtown coincidently) using nothing more than a rule and outstretched arm. With a bit of practice this method can estimate the altitude of a plane to + or - 500 meters fairly consistently if you know your elevation above sea level, but I added 1000 meters (double the expected error) to allow for any misgivings in making a hasty estimate.

As I said in an earlier post chemtrails at such a low altitude are not congruent with ionic meddling from any HAARP installations, that's the main reason for the post.

According to the atmospheric data from the day (from mine & Slys quotes) any plane at normal altitude would indeed make a contrail, but given the stated dew point it would be impossible for the trail to persist and form a cloud as it did on the day.

The dew point is a complex relationship between RH, temp and air pressure, but the long and the short of it is, if the dew point is lower than the actual ambient temp a contrail cannot persist to the point of forming a cloud Again there are mitigating factors as to the relationship to the Atmospheric pressure as alluded to in the Appleman chart, but in this instance a contrail could not have persisted as it did on the day.

[Slybacon]

The altitude was what was so strinking about the incident Sly,

 

I saw a very very suspicious plane over waratah about 8 weeks ago, not the normal high altitude chem/con trail planes. There was no doubt that it was spraying something. The trail did not persist but the plane was so low that you could see the engines and a seperate stream coming out of the wings. The plane was unmarked and silver.

The dew point is a complex relationship between RH, temp and air pressure, but the long and the short of it is, if the dew point is lower than the actual ambient temp a contrail cannot persist to the point of forming a cloud Again there are mitigating factors as to the relationship to the Atmospheric pressure as alluded to in the Appleman chart, but in this instance a contrail could not have persisted as it did on the day.

You will notice that between 8,000 and 12,000 meters, the temperature and dewpoint temperatures differ by 3 to 7 deg C. The layers where the difference is less than 5 deg is definitely supersaturated with respect to ice and will form persistent contrails while the layers with the 5 to 7 deg differences may form persistent contrails but more likely will produce short-lived contrails. No wonder a lot of contrails were observed. Those are flight altitudes.

 

So on the day in question, if you refer to-

PRES 283.0hPa HGHT 9488m TEMP -54.7C DWPT -59.5C RELH 55%

The temp difference is 4.8 Degrees, based on information I have read, if a plane was between 9400 and 9500m on the day you recorded the data you would see a persistent contrail (NB:Based on the Appleman Chart). It is plausable that you miscalculated the altitude.

Edited July 26, 2011 by Slybacon