Climate evidence is in.

[WoodDragon]

How disappointing.....that took near 7 hours for a bite... But it was predictable......bang on the money....Didn't think it would be Woody this time but. Seems you can't keep a good scientist down

I take it then that you're not actually going to attempt to seriously answer the questions, Hutch.

Come on buddy. You're free and easy with pages and pages of opinion and tabloid froth that the world's scientists are a bunch of frauds, incompentents and conspiractors, but you never actually go into the science to prove it. All you do is quote people like Andrew Bolt (a Murdoch hack) and Anthony Watts, who spent four or five years claiming that scientists had it wrong, and who then eventually managed to gather people around him to prove that the climatologists were right all along and that he was wrong.

Answer the questions Hutch.

1) Where in the scientific literature have climate scientists been proved wrong?

2) How many scientists thought that there was going to be global cooling soon, and exactly how sure they were that it was going to occur? What was the time frame that they were postulating for global cooling, and how is it related to the time frame for carbon dioxide-induced atmospheric heating?

[Edited for spelling]

Edited June 4, 2011 by WoodDragon

[tripsis]

Well said Frank.

Hutch, there's really no point in arguing with you. Nothing is going to change your mind, not even if every single scientist in the world wholeheartedly agreed on the matter. You don't want to believe the truth of the fact, so you won't. Like I said before, you have your eyes closed, shut so tightly in fact that you're lying to yourself. Don't worry children, there will always be fanatical deniers out there.

[hutch]

I take it then that you're not actually going to attempt to seriously answer the questions, Hutch.

Come on buddy. You're free and easy with pages and pages of opinion and tabloid froth that the world's scientists are a bunch of frauds, incompentents and conspiractors, but you never actually go into the science to prove it. All you do is quote people like Andrew Bolt (a Murdoch hack) and Anthony Watts, who spent four or five years claiming that scientists had it wrong, and who then eventually managed to gather people around him to prove that the climatologists were right all along and that he was wrong.

Answer the questions Hutch.

1) Where in the scientific literature have climate scientists been proved wrong?

2) How many scientists thought that there was going to be global cooling soon, and exactly how sure they were that it was going to occur? What the time frame they were postulaing for global cooling, and how it related to the time frame for carbon dioxide-induced atmospheric heating?

 

Yeah right...don't waste your time...as if!

[Slybacon]

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/MornerInterview.pdf

[Halcyon Daze]

That's what the scientific community does, scientists regularly review the works of other authors. Any scientist can re-do an experiment and see if their results match up with that of the published paper, they can debate their conclusions, they can add their 2 cents or make reccomendations. This happens all the time.

Give me one example of a published work where the works of Flannery or Garnaut's findings are disputed.

You said they were full of shit but what would you know?

Seriously, the only one full of shit is you, you should be ashamed of that.

[Slybacon]

Snow in NW Italy

Not happened in 80 years

Hi Robert,

Today 1st June 2011 in the northwestern part of Italy we have snow under 1000 meters as not happened in 80 years.

Something astonishing isn't it?

Here's the link:

http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/regioni/val...sta/2011/06/01/

visualizza_new.html_842381390.html

Thanks to Dr Mirco Poletto for this link

Here's the article:

Snow in Val d'Aosta in the 1,000 meters

1 Jun 11 - "It snows in Valle d'Aosta in the 1,000 meters. The disruption is affecting the whole region without causing problems to traffic."

[Slybacon]

Temperatures Lowest For Time Of Year Since 1940s

April 20, 2011 7:11 AM

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/04/20/tem...ar-since-1940s/

Cold, pouring rain had people running downtown Tuesday night. (Credit: CBS)

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CHICAGO (CBS) – Not only has Chicago dealt with chilly rain, hail and even snow this week, but temperatures Tuesday were at their lowest for this late spring date since the 1940s.

CBS 2 Meteorologist Megan Glaros says the high Wednesday is expected only to reach 46 degrees with a peek or two of sunshine, but the chilly conditions will make it feel like winter never ended. As of 6:45 a.m., the temperature in Chicago was just 34 degrees.

Glaros says if there were precipitation Tuesday morning, some snow would likely be mixed in. Fortunately, the storm systems have moved east and conditions were just cold and overcast.

On Tuesday, the high topped out at 38 degrees in the city.

In the early evening hours, just walking a few blocks along the streets of Chicago felt like going out to sea in an open boat during a rainstorm in northern Canada. Anyone walking against the wind was blasted continuously in the face with cold droplets of rain, and given the strength of the winds, an umbrella was as good as useless.

And that was before the severe storms even hit. Lightning bolts and thunder claps soon appeared, and hail of up to 1 inch in diameter was spotted in some areas, according to the National Weather Service.

More than an inch and a half of rain fell in less than half an hour Tuesday evening, forcing the cancellation of more than 450 flights at O’Hare and Midway international airports, and leaving people sleeping on terminal floors.

A flood watch remains in effect for the Fox River in Lake County and Kenosha County, Wis., while a flood advisory is in effect for the Fox River in Kane and Kendall counties.

The weather Tuesday continued a miserable trend that has been going on all week. On Monday morning, O’Hare saw an accumulation of 0.6 inches of snow, enough to set a record for this date. It swept out an earlier record of 0.4 inches, set in 1910.

The snow is over for now, but Glaros says frost may be seen Wednesday night, and temperatures will not return to the normal range until Sunday.

[Slybacon]

Scotland hit by fresh snow fall

Forecasters said there could be as much as 4in (10cm) of snow

12 March 2011 Last updated at 10:26

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12717576

Heavy snow has covered the central belt and southern Scotland as Arctic conditions returned to much of the country.

The Met Office has issued severe weather warnings, with up to 12in (30cm) of snow possible in many areas.

The freezing conditions have caused disruption on the M8 in West Lothian, with roads in Stirling also affected.

Transport Scotland said it had "robust" supplies of salt and winter vehicles on standby.

Low lying areas in central Scotland, including Glasgow and Edinburgh have experienced between 1-2ins (2-5cm) of snow, with up to 4ins (10cm) on higher ground.

On the M8 at Whitburn in West Lothian, heavy snow and ice led to four lorries becoming stuck, causing disruption.

In Fife, a lane of the snow-covered M90 was shut after a car accident. However, Fife Constabulary said it had now been cleared.

Salt supplies

In rural Stirling, Central Scotland Police urged motorists to undertake only essential travel after the snow caused problems on the A81 and A811.

The Met office said the snow was expected to move north to parts of the Highlands and Grampian.

It has also warned of the potential for blizzard conditions and significant drifting on mountain routes.

Between 4-6ins (10-15cm) of snow is being forecast for northern parts, with up to 6-10ins (15-25cm) potentially falling in the Highlands.

A spokeswoman for Transport Scotland said: "Transport Scotland and our trunk road operating companies are closely monitoring the weather forecasts and are operating at a heightened level of vigilance and preparedness for the next couple of days to ensure everything is done to keep our transport networks moving and Scotland open for business.

"Supplies of salt are robust, with over 260,000 tonnes, with a further 120,500 tonnes on order across Scotland."

[Slybacon]

Heavy snowfall halts daily life in Turkey and Greece

Friday, 11th March 2011

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/...rkey-and-greece

A cold wave that hit Turkey and Greece this week has brought heavy snowfalls that paralysed traffic and shut schools in both capitals and disrupted road and air travel in other cities.

Ankara was buried in 50 centimetres of snow which fell for a third day yesterday, snarling traffic despite a major clearance operation. Anthens was also covered in snow on Wednesday.

Schools were closed and residents had difficulty making the journey to work with road and rail links between both capitals and several nearby towns cut off.

The snowfall in Ankara was the heaviest for 10 years, meteorologists said, quoted by TV channels. In at least five more cities, schools were closed due to heavy snowfalls.

Some flights were delayed but none were cancelled at Ankara Esenboga Airport, officials told Anatolia news agency, although a number of flights from Istanbul to other domestic cities and abroad were cancelled.

Major roads in downtown Istanbul remained open, although some side-streets on the Asian side of the city were closed down due to snow and high winds forced the cancellation of some ferry services. City officials said about 3,000 employees worked non-stop to keep the traffic flowing in Istanbul, with a population of more than 12 million people. Roads to hundreds of villages around Turkey were also blocked due to snow.

Two fishermen have been missing since Tuesday due to storms on Lake Manyas in northwestern Turkey, an official from Balikesir province told to news channel NTV. Izmir and Antalya, two major cities of Turkey, known for their warm climate, are also affected by snowfalls.

[hutch]

Well said Frank.

Hutch, there's really no point in arguing with you. Nothing is going to change your mind, not even if every single scientist in the world wholeheartedly agreed on the matter. You don't want to believe the truth of the fact, so you won't. Like I said before, you have your eyes closed, shut so tightly in fact that you're lying to yourself. Don't worry children, there will always be fanatical deniers out there.

 

There is something I suppose that will convince me....when all the disasters that they say will happen DO.....So far not very accurate....Go back over the last 10 years and look at all the alarmist crap that didn't eventuate....to many whoops moments for me at the moment..

Look at what Garnaut said about it never raining and our dams will NEVER see rain like we once did.....Oh bugger...billions wasted on desalination plants and now we have to let millions of dollars worth of water go into the Brisbane river cause our bloody dams are full...shame Garnaut shame...

Edit: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/million-worth-of-recycled-water-dumped-into-brisbane-river/story-e6freoof-1226068925044

$40 million dollars pissed down the river...Way to go Garnaut....fool....

Edited June 4, 2011 by hutch

[hutch]

Give me one example of a published work where the works of Flannery or Garnaut's findings are disputed.

 

You are kidding right? How could you not be kidding...there are shit loads and most people have worked that out by now.....where have you been for the past 10 years? Did you just come across this subject or did you just go through it in school? I know you believe it and that's fine but at least put up some credible stuff....blind faith in Flannery and Garnaut tells me you haven't done much research...they are so easily discredited that I wont even bother...

[WoodDragon]

Slybacon.

You need to consider two points when speaking of record snow falls.

First, global warming in its early stages (that is, the first several centuries) will frequently produce record snow falls in cool high-latitude areas. The reason is simple, if not obvious to people who don’t understand the hydrological cycle. What happens is that warmer global temperatures result in more moisture evaporating into the atmosphere. This moisture eventually falls as rain or snow when the air masses carrying it move to regions of lower temperature – hence global warming will mean a greater frequency of flooding in rainy areas, and more snow fall in areas that still have temperatures cold enough to form snow. It might seem counterintuitive, but is basic physics.

The upshot – record snow falls are absolutely consistence with the initial stages of global warming. I mentioned this is the shit storm that is the global 'cooling' thread, so it's not as if attention hasn't been drawn to this fact before.

Second, global warming does not preclude record cold events. All that it means is that cold record extremes become less frequent that they used to be, while warmer extremes become more frequent. Listing half a dozen, or a hundred, or a thousand record extremes of either cold or hot extremes is meaningless without the spacial and temporal context. Consider the analysis at Skeptical Science which shows that record highs and low still occur, but that record cold extremes are less common over time than record highs. It's a matter of basic statisitics, and anyone who thinks that a record cold temperature or record snowfall disproves global warming, is simply succumbing to a basic failure of logic.

On the matter of snow records, Open Mind has a post on exactly this subject, and another on overall data analysis that really is worth the perusal, if anyone intends to claim that they are familiar with what the scientific evidence says.

[hutch]

Slybacon.

The upshot – record snow falls are absolutely consistence with the initial stages of global warming.

 

They weren't once but they are now.....just wasn't until we got record snow falls...better chuck that in our new reports cause we are looking like dick heads..they just move the goal posts over and over again until they make the science fit.

[WoodDragon]

hey weren't once but they are now

Hutch, can you ever suppport your random contradictions with actual evidence?

Or do you just spray shit around like a bunch of spotty teenagers playing soggy SAO?

[hutch]

[hutch]

[hutch]

Hutch, can you ever suppport your random contradictions with actual evidence?

Or do you just spray shit around like a bunch of spotty teenagers playing soggy SAO?

 

I think I might be a sprayer.....

[tripsis]

Hutch, can you ever suppport your random contradictions with actual evidence?

Highly doubtful.

[hutch]

Highly doubtful.

 

And you? ..we just sit different sides of the fence on this subject...get over it....

[hutch]

[hutch]

[WoodDragon]

And you? ..we just sit different sides of the fence on this subject...get over it....

Ah, the appeal argumentum ad temperantiam, or the resort to false compromise.

Hutch, this is simply a matter of right or wrong, one side or the other, and you have produced nothing - not a skerrick - to demonstrate why you, and untrained, non-experienced, ideological ignorant, are right and thousands of the world's professional physicists and climatologists are wrong.

Lame cartoons that have no basis in fact do not count.

Meanwhile, professionals who are just doing their job are being threatened by ignorant idiots.

[Francois le Danque]

aah comics...the best source of peer reviewed science since the back of matchboxes

[hutch]

Ah, the appeal argumentum ad temperantiam, or the resort to false compromise.

Hutch, this is simply a matter of right or wrong, one side or the other, and you have produced nothing - not a skerrick - to demonstrate why you, and untrained, non-experienced, ideological ignorant, are right and thousands of the world's professional physicists and climatologists are wrong.

Lame cartoons that have no basis in fact do not count.

Meanwhile, professionals who are just doing their job are being threatened by ignorant idiots.

 

Mate, may I remind you of this quote:

WoodDragon Quote

I'm quite happy to go on the record as believing that the current catastrophic Queensland flooding has been made much worse than it might otherwise have been, by the warming that we've had even just to date. The oceans temperatures off Australia are an enormous heat engine that is driving the evaporation of the water in the present El Niño/La Niña-Southern Oscillation cycle responsible for the rain. If we keep warming the planet, ocean temperaures with themselves warm even further, and instead of this type of flooding happening evern century or so, it could happen every decade or two. Can we really deal with that?

 

And you were wrong...You put something on the record that was WRONG.....why can't scientists ever correct their records....don't want to appear wrong maybe? Same with Flannery and Garnaut...how many times have they been proven wrong? You have the opportunity to go on the record here and correct yourself....but alas you have turned that opportunity down many times....

[Halcyon Daze]

 

So full of criticism but they won't even read the reports to begin with. This is why they say "empty vessles make the most sound".

What's the point being drawn into debate with uneducated fools?

Thanks for persistently sabotaging this thread with so much bullshit. Obviously you are more intent on proving yourself right than debating the issues at hand.

You are nothing but a troll.