peyote man Posted August 2, 2008 A foaf of mine has tried kratom tea while overseas and got no effect. He tried it twice and nothing happened. He boiled it gently for a few hours until around 70ml remained, and the other time around 150ml, from a litre or so of leaves and water. Both times on an empty belly...he takes lexapro SSRI....so he tells me. The leaves were from a guy that had dried them....this fella has a good reputation and is well known....foaf has a high tollerance to codeine.....any ideas?? Cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bovine Posted August 2, 2008 Kratom's pharmacology shares some elements of the activity of other substances including opiates and yohimbine. The comparison to opiates is valid at doses high enough to produce these effects. Kratom has the ability to alleviate withdrawal in people dependent on opiates owing to the mu receptor agonism of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine. Kratom may cause constipation at these doses. It produces analgesia similar to weaker opiates such as codeine. wiki says no good for codeine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hebrew Posted August 2, 2008 what i remember from when it was legal here in australia that tea never worked as well as when i woudl just mix the powdered leaves with some juice and chug it down kinda hardcore but well worth it let all the extractions take place inside yoru organism hehehe. i also recall leaves getting better as they age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuamai Posted August 2, 2008 I've made tea with kratom leaves on several occasions, but only simmered them on low heat and the tea worked very well. I've read that boiling the leaves degrades the potency. Try low heat, just under a boil and add a few pieces of fresh ginger for taste and to keep your stomach happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hebrew Posted August 2, 2008 from memory water isnt the best solvent to extract with, i could be wrong as it has been a long time since i looked into kratom chemistry but i think it prefers alcohol as a solvent, and is only partially soluble in water, might be wrong someone how knows should pop in and confirm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peyote man Posted August 2, 2008 OK my foaf reckons he will blend the dried leaves into some juice and drink the whole lot, then theres zero chance of messed up extraction.....how many leaves should he have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyAmine. Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) Just brew it like a tea, 5 mins should be enough, potency of leaves can vary quit a lot, I know that I have never had anything that even comes close to the stuff I was getting imported from Malaysia, a 5gm tea was have me bouncing off the walls for hours. It only has partial agonism of Mu receptors so you should still be getting effects, I can tell you from personal experience that it works just fine when a person has an opiate tolerance, I was taking it on a dose of around 150mg's of methadone and it worked a treat although even at around 10gms of the strong stuff I didnt get too much of an opiate high but I was still on a blockade dose so that may have something to do with it Edited August 2, 2008 by AndyAmine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) grind fine, swirl and gulp.. cyp450 inhibition will make it stronger. Edited August 2, 2008 by Conan Troutman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peyote man Posted August 3, 2008 Sweet, I'll pass that on....how many leave should be ground up fine and gulped? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peyote man Posted August 3, 2008 Cheers....10-15g dried? Thats what foaf has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted August 4, 2008 torsten mentioned being hung over the day after using kratom,is this common? t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hebrew Posted August 4, 2008 i have not noticed it but it has been a while since i have partaken kratom sadly i really enjoyed it back in the day i do recall once having too much and felt pretty nauseus if i moved and possibel in the morning felt a little groggy. but as i said was a long while ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuamai Posted August 5, 2008 Never had a hangover from kratom, but have felt really queezy from doing too much at one time. 10-15 grams is a lot! I've got some very potent kratom called maang daa kratom. It's finely ground and I just pack it in size 00 gelatin capsules. My usual dose is 4-6 caps. Any other kratom that I've tried this way, I usually take 12-16 caps. Maang daa is top notch kratom!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Stay Puft Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) Would dearly like to get my hands on a cutting , pity the Australian government has a problem with people enjoying themselves with herbs that aren't taxed to the shit! Edited August 6, 2008 by Mr Stay Puft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
