Dog breed suggestions

[Guest homoGenius]

Guys I'm looking for a pet dog and I rent a middle sized block in suburbia. I want the dog to keep the local kids out of my yard. They keep chucking balls over and the Asian boys like raiding the mulberry bush at the back. They've almost fucked the fence up totally by climbing it constantly the little buggers. I'm leaning towards the larger breeds but don't know if I could be f'd to get up and walk the dog when I could be spending more time here. Are American pit bulls really as vicious as they look? My plants are also at risk from some people who know I'm a bit of a headshop kind of guy.

[shruman]

" Are American pit bulls really as vicious as they look?"

No we have a female purebreed pitty bout 3 yr old beautiful girl who couldnt b more loving, my almost 2yr old son plays with both our dogs when ever he can pulls her ears & tail pokes her, hugs her they chase each other around the yard & have a ball, she couldnt b a better dog, our other dog a foxie x chiuhuhua? is a lot more agressive 2 other dogs & strangers.

But about a month ago the ranger came round & handed us a heap of documents telling us that our dog was now banned & we would have 2 take action 2 keep her or have her put down even though she is registered as a Pitty x Staffy they changed the law again 2 include X's. My missus was in a state of shock after hearing this.

What we had 2 do if we wanted 2 keep the dog was have it assessed by a breed assessor at a standard rate of $50 plus 30c per Km they have 2 travel which was 400 Km one way from me. And if the assessor said she had any pitbull in her then we would have 2 have her temperment assessed which is a similiar deal 2 the breed assessment I didnt look into how much that would have cost cause we couldnt afford the 1st assessment & if she was deemed a dangerous dog by the temperment assessor then we would have had 2 kill our dog or spend round $5000 on an enclosure for her.

STUPID FUCKING LAWS.

We havent been able 2 do anything yet & we are waiting for them 2 come & kill our pet anyday now, when they do come they will want $20 for them 2 kill her.

When we had her registered they didnt tell us this might happen & they happily took our money 2 register her for life, I asked them since we registered her 4 life could we get a portion of our reg money back cause they were going 2 murder her well b4 she would die naturaly & the ranger was dumbfounded & said no of course.

Edited May 16, 2007 by shruman

[Jesus On Peyote]

Shru, dont stand for that shit. seriously. take her to a friends house for a week or so and tell the nazis that she jumped the fence n ran away.

it wouldent be as simple as that im sure but i know i would try everything to keep em away and keep her alive.

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HomoG, just get any middle sized dog that suits you, with some brunt in its bark and a medium build and it should scare away the kiddies.

[shruman]

"Shru, dont stand for that shit. seriously. take her to a friends house for a week or so and tell the nazis that she jumped the fence n ran away.

it wouldent be as simple as that im sure but i know i would try everything to keep em away and keep her alive."

Yeah Ive considered that but I fear if she ran away & got picked up after I told them that we would get in shit, shit we couldnt afford.

We would do almost anything 2 keep her but are currently unable 2 $ SUCKS.

Edited May 16, 2007 by shruman

[incognito]

Guys I'm looking for a pet dog and I rent a middle sized block in suburbia. I want the dog to keep the local kids out of my yard. They keep chucking balls over and the Asian boys like raiding the mulberry bush at the back. They've almost fucked the fence up totally by climbing it constantly the little buggers. I'm leaning towards the larger breeds but don't know if I could be f'd to get up and walk the dog when I could be spending more time here. Are American pit bulls really as vicious as they look? My plants are also at risk from some people who know I'm a bit of a headshop kind of guy.

dont get a pitty unless u have alot of time to intensively train it. alot of potential for disaster.

there bad name though comes from the majority of owners being dicks who want a dog to look tough and rough em up to be nasty. see a pitty will break its own neck to please its owner. if u want a vicious dog, u get one of the highest calibre. if u want a gentle loving dog thats what u get.

They need ALOT of obedience training, if ur pitty bites someone, u r in ALOT of trouble.

did u know that they use pittys in america as pets as therapy dogs? A pitty in the right hands is a beautiful dog. they just have a bad name cos of the small dick syndrome peeps that make up the majority of the owners.

same thing happened with rotties and dobermans. if u get one, socialise them early and get them to obedience training from a young age. DO NOT encourage aggresive behavior at any cost.Oh yeah and if ur dog gets out of ur yard...VERY expensive with the council(trust me i had a pitty cross u hafto register them as a (dangerous breed)

I recommend the following 1. a bull mastiff. a gentle dog, easy to train that doesnt require a large yard or alot of exercise. however no 1 will go near ur yard cos they look so big and mean.

downside- expensive to feed.

2. Cattle dog. extremely protective and territorial of their yard. Intelligent and easy to train. Notorious as good garddogs and noone trusts em. ud be mad to get in a cattledogs yard.

great family dog.

owning a dog is a hooooge responsibility. Much like having a kid. research well and make sure u can fit it in ur budget and that u have adequate fencing before considering getting 1.

also they do require a fair bit of ur time. I really recomend desexing and microchipping as well.

Puppies are the BIGGEST hassle and theres alot of dogs out there already. Check the local pounds out first-there are some top dogs in lock up!!!

Good luck mate!!!

if u want a name of some reputable breeders pm me, my mum shows dogs (pugs-not very scary) and has ALOT of good reliable breeder contacts and could let u know what to look for especially if ur going purebreeds ,to avoid any later medical problems.(hip probs etc etc-shes really onto it)

[Jesus On Peyote]

Just saw your editied part.

I feel for you.

thats ridicules, their actually going to charge you to put down your pet. dont let em, just dont open the door.

I hope some more people here with more knowledge about law and rights can help with some other ideas on what you can/should do.

[Guest homoGenius]

"Shru, dont stand for that shit. seriously. take her to a friends house for a week or so and tell the nazis that she jumped the fence n ran away.

it wouldent be as simple as that im sure but i know i would try everything to keep em away and keep her alive."

Yeah Ive considered that but I fear if she ran away & got picked up after I told them that we would get in shit, shit we couldnt afford.

We would do almost anything 2 keep her but are currently unable 2 $ SUCKS.

Hang on for a sec there....... you tell them it ran away so big deal if it gets picked up if it really does run away? No trouble or shit there as far as I can see.

[Guest homoGenius]

dont get a pitty unless u have alot of time to intensively train it. alot of potential for disaster.

there bad name though comes from the majority of owners being dicks who want a dog to look tough and rough em up to be nasty. see a pitty will break its own neck to please its owner. if u want a vicious dog, u get one of the highest calibre. if u want a gentle loving dog thats what u get.

They need ALOT of obedience training, if ur pitty bites someone, u r in ALOT of trouble.

did u know that they use pittys in america as pets as therapy dogs? A pitty in the right hands is a beautiful dog. they just have a bad name cos of the small dick syndrome peeps that make up the majority of the owners.

same thing happened with rotties and dobermans. if u get one, socialise them early and get them to obedience training from a young age. DO NOT encourage aggresive behavior at any cost.Oh yeah and if ur dog gets out of ur yard...VERY expensive with the council(trust me i had a pitty cross u hafto register them as a (dangerous breed)

I recommend the following 1. a bull mastiff. a gentle dog, easy to train that doesnt require a large yard or alot of exercise. however no 1 will go near ur yard cos they look so big and mean.

downside- expensive to feed.

2. Cattle dog. extremely protective and territorial of their yard. Intelligent and easy to train. Notorious as good garddogs and noone trusts em. ud be mad to get in a cattledogs yard.

great family dog.

owning a dog is a hooooge responsibility. Much like having a kid. research well and make sure u can fit it in ur budget and that u have adequate fencing before considering getting 1.

also they do require a fair bit of ur time. I really recomend desexing and microchipping as well.

Puppies are the BIGGEST hassle and theres alot of dogs out there already. Check the local pounds out first-there are some top dogs in lock up!!!

Good luck mate!!!

if u want a name of some reputable breeders pm me, my mum shows dogs (pugs-not very scary) and has ALOT of good reliable breeder contacts and could let u know what to look for especially if ur going purebreeds ,to avoid any later medical problems.(hip probs etc etc-shes really onto it)

Awesome post mate. Thanks. Just with the microchip thing though. I do have a problem with that coz it makes it easier for "the man" to keep tabs on your life not that they don't already know everything, just think what they know with your eftpos transactions.

Edited May 16, 2007 by homoGenius

[shruman]

"dont get a pitty unless u have alot of time to intensively train it. alot of potential for disaster.

there bad name though comes from the majority of owners being dicks who want a dog to look tough and rough em up to be nasty. see a pitty will break its own neck to please its owner. if u want a vicious dog, u get one of the highest calibre. if u want a gentle loving dog thats what u get."

Very true but true about any breed.

"thats ridicules, their actually going to charge you to put down your pet. dont let em, just dont open the door.

I hope some more people here with more knowledge about law and rights can help with some other ideas on what you can/should do. "

Yeah they reckon we have 2 pay it when we hand her over & I told him we aint handing her over ur gonna take her form us & he said they might b able 2 waive the fee or we could take her 2 the vet & pay $45 to kill her.

"Hang on for a sec there....... you tell them it ran away so big deal if it gets picked up if it really does run away? No trouble or shit there as far as I can see. "

Yeah the prob is we want to move & I dont think their going 2 believe she chased us 300 km's.

"Just with the microchip thing though. I do have a problem with that coz it makes it easier for "the man" to keep tabs on your life not that they don't already know everything, just think what they know with your eftpos transactions. "

So u got no probs with desexing?

Edited May 16, 2007 by shruman

[Guest homoGenius]

Yeah the prob is we want to move & I dont think their going 2 believe she chased us 300 km's.

A new dog story maybe? You didn't get it chipped did you?

[incognito]

"dont get a pitty unless u have alot of time to intensively train it. alot of potential for disaster.

there bad name though comes from the majority of owners being dicks who want a dog to look tough and rough em up to be nasty. see a pitty will break its own neck to please its owner. if u want a vicious dog, u get one of the highest calibre. if u want a gentle loving dog thats what u get."

Very true but true about any breed.

"thats ridicules, their actually going to charge you to put down your pet. dont let em, just dont open the door.

I hope some more people here with more knowledge about law and rights can help with some other ideas on what you can/should do. "

Yeah they reckon we have 2 pay it when we hand her over & I told him we aint handing her over ur gonna take her form us & he said they might b able 2 waive the fee or we could take her 2 the vet & pay $45 to kill her.

"Hang on for a sec there....... you tell them it ran away so big deal if it gets picked up if it really does run away? No trouble or shit there as far as I can see. "

Yeah the prob is we want to move & I dont think their going 2 believe she chased us 300 km's.

"Just with the microchip thing though. I do have a problem with that coz it makes it easier for "the man" to keep tabs on your life not that they don't already know everything, just think what they know with your eftpos transactions. "

So u got no probs with desexing?

i see what u mean, however a vicious pitty has much more potential for harm than say a vicious chihuaha or maltese terrier if u get my drift. The whole lockjaw thing .

I have no moral problems with desexing. there are waaaaaay to many dogs sitting in pounds and getting put down daily. It also reduces male aggression , straying(im not 100%on that one though it is the word) and unwanted pregnancies and every dog in the neighbourhood coming into ur yard when ur bitch is on heat.

I understand the stance against and appreciate and recognise ur view, but if every dog in australia was not desexed we would have a real problem.

quote-"Just with the microchip thing though. I do have a problem with that coz it makes it easier for "the man" to keep tabs on your life not that they don't already know everything, just think what they know with your eftpos transactions. "

i think thats a bit of a conspiracy theory none the less.

Unless of course ur that important and mysterious that people are going to abduct ur dog to see what ur name and address really is. chortle chortle.

i mean u need it to get registered, and if ur thinkin pitty it really helps cos if u want to collect ur unregistered pitty that costs BIG bucks. and is really handy cos thats the first thing that vets and rangers look for on lost dogs. I mean someone can take an id collar of ur dog if they want to keep it, but come vet check time or if it escapes u r the one that gets a call. i think its sensible.

Edited May 16, 2007 by jono

[Vertmorpheus]

Yeah the dog laws are bullshit... I think there should be certain standards of security of your yard etc before you can keep ANY dog or cat... the breeds arent the problem (once you get past the fact that a few pitty x's I've known had chew toys including metre lengths of 100x100 hardwood post, and car tyres, and can literally smash thru your arm or skull, but thats kind of irrelevant really) , one of the most gentle dogs I've met was some monster named kahn, a bull arab pitty x, big bronze bastard, head like a toolbox, just....bulk. He'd get bored and drag the three seater lounge around for a giggle. He'd wander over , put his massive head in ya lap and just look up with big brown dog eyes for a scratch under the collar... but at the same time, if the owner told him to go someone, he would, and hard. Bit of a speedfreak, dropkick individual. Which means that as usual, its the operator rather than the "tool" at fault here...

hassle is that a lot of breeds just tend to be owned by druggie scum, dealers and amateur standover men, bogans with mullets and trackie dack fetishes. But of all dogs, the one with the most attacks in aus is (last I heard, was a lil while ago).. blue heelers, followed by border collies.

want a dog to keep people out? Belgian Shephard. They're not cheap, but they have almost lab personalities sometimes, but a helluva lot more motivated and sporty... if sgt schultz on hogans heroes got a german shephard, nasty SS guards at birkenau would've loved the look of these dogs. Fast, bright, blaaaack and wolflike but they don't tend to overheat much as its that stand-off kinda fur...and they kick arse on the vertical leap for a dog that size. if you get one and she pups, you gotta send me one though... had one years ago but she died from ticks, bastards.

Or maybe geese... vicious things and never seem to sleep all at once... some distillery somewhere uses em for nightwatch I hear?

woof woof

GD

[Peyofox]

I have had a German Shepherd for the last 11 years (got him at 7 weeks old) and our yard has never been entered by unwanted guests in that time

Their average life expectancy is 13 years and they make awesome companions/gaurd/watch dogs.

He is pure bred, low maintenance and has an excellent temprement, great with children.

Just his appearance is scary enough to keep people out

If you have children or care about looks and long term health, I would recommend getting a dog through a reputable breeder, even though it costs more, its well worth it ime. Usually all unwanted traits have been bred out of them and a good dog is guaranteed.

Highly intelligent/trainable, loyal and won't think twice about putting their life on the line for you.

Goodluck

[shruman]

quote-"Just with the microchip thing though. I do have a problem with that coz it makes it easier for "the man" to keep tabs on your life not that they don't already know everything, just think what they know with your eftpos transactions. "

"i think thats a bit of a conspiracy theory none the less.

Unless of course ur that important and mysterious that people are going to abduct ur dog to see what ur name and address really is. chortle chortle."

Yeah jono I was having a dig at homog, I thought he was joking he had 2 get microchiped & hence the Q about him being desexed

"i mean u need it to get registered, and if ur thinkin pitty it really helps cos if u want to collect ur unregistered pitty that costs BIG bucks."

Our pitty ran away a few times, The 1st few times she was young & the rangers office was like 200 m away & he just gave her back 2 me, the last time she got off she was bout 1 1/2 yrs & he made us register her but costs were the same as any other dog & we never had 2 reg her as a dangerous dog.

"Belgian Shephard.you gotta send me one though"

Me 1st, thats what I want if they murder our Buddah.

Edited May 16, 2007 by shruman

[MORG]

I agree that pit-bulls should be outlawed. It's so silly allowing any loser to own an animal that is so potentially volatile and dangerous.

I totally believe defensive pit-bull owners who talk about their dogs being sweet and gentle and lovable sooks. Good owners = good dogs but the odd bad egg is just too much to risk considering there are many other less dangerous animals that are also sweet and gentle and lovable sooks.

What is fucked is making the law and then forcing people to surrender their beloved pets. Make laws against breeding and selling pit-bulls, enforce mandatory de-sexing and wait for the last pet pit-bull to die of old age in their beloved owner's care.

As a dog lover I feel really bad for you shruman

[shruman]

"I agree that pit-bulls should be outlawed. It's so silly allowing any loser to own an animal that is so potentially volatile and dangerous."

The problem is almost any dog or pet can b potentialy dangerous, for F's sake cats sometimes decide 2 sleep on babies & kill them should we outlaw cats too?

"As a dog lover I feel really bad for you shruman "

Thanks man & everyone else it realy gets me down thinking bout it, glad I can get a bit off my chest but were just trying 2 enjoy the time we have with her.

[MORG]

The problem is almost any dog or pet can b potentialy dangerous, for F's sake cats sometimes decide 2 sleep on babies & kill them should we outlaw cats too?

I think that's a bit absurd.

You're right in that not just pit-bulls can be dangerous. There are a couple of other large dog breeds that have caused harm with some frequency. Perhaps the laws should extend to rotties and others too. It's a sticky issue.

But I'm sure if you count up the number of old lady's poodles, neighbour's cats and children's faces that have been harmed by powerful and sometimes aggressive dogs it'll far outweigh the freak incidences of "cat suffocates new-born baby". Especially when weighted by the numbers of dangerous dogs, new-born babies and cats.

You could do an experiment by putting a random moggie, a random pit bull and a random child in a cage together for a day. Now replicate it 100 times and count up the frequencies of the various outcomes (eg. all are fine, pit bull eats baby, cat suffocates sleeping pit bull etc.) If the frequency of "pit-bull causes serious harm" is close to that of "cat causes serious harm" I'll accept the above argument.

I realise though, you're probably just hurt cos these laws are fucking with you and your pooch, which I can totally empathise with.

[PD.]

I dont believe in banning animals anymore than i do banning plants.

That said, any large dog can be a vicious bastid in the wrong hands and they do cause damage at times. A better idea to banning would be a license of some form imo and harsher penalties for the F@$K sticks that only get a big dog to treat like shit so it turns into a person hating wild animal.

GET AN ENGLISH STAFFY , hehe, cant beat a staff

[teonanacatl]

staffies are cool

get a saluki

 

Thats one chasing a gazelle

[MrBumpy]

Guys I'm looking for a pet dog and I rent a middle sized block in suburbia. I want the dog to keep the local kids out of my yard. They keep chucking balls over and the Asian boys like raiding the mulberry bush at the back.

Why not look at other measures to keeps the kids out of your yard as well?

Hook up one of those small electric rails that can be used to keep possums and cats out of yards, and tell your neighbours that you've set it up because some vermin is raiding your garden.

Then wait, watch, and point and laugh when you see the kids shit themselves when they get zapped by it. If the parents complain, tell them that you warned them you were installing it, and that you don't want their kids climbing into your yard anyway, so tell them not to.

-bumpy

[Vertmorpheus]

Thing you have to remember is, big scary dogs are often owned by maggot like people. In the same way that sensible gun owners are happy with say a little 22 and something with more reach, grandads lee enfield... only nutters actually think they need a mac 10 or whatever. (what up in da hood, aight?). Loopy backblocks TEOTWAKI types. Sad to say, some people take a fair bit delight (I've met em) in having what is essentially a thinking, breathing, calculating weapon, a not-so-smart bomb. And they train em up to suit... dogs are pack animals, they will typically do what is made clear is expected from em. Even if we aren't talking breeds, I've seen a fair few people that let their dogs get into really rough play, fetch etc with dolls, kids toys, things that smell like the kids... especially the "chasey" breeds, terriers etc, are wired to just CLICK onto the chase and ignore the distractions. Hunting breeds tend to be more reliant on your word. Of course, nurture will bugger with nature quite a bit.

I'd worry about wiring up the back fence... are these "asian" (hmmm) kids actually taking marketable quanities and leaving you short, or is it more thei ssue that they might start to see you place as public property, have a poke around, bla bla? I know as a kid I was (and still am) a rabid plant and produce thief, within reason of course... but if some has a mango tree that was on the block before they were, and they give it zero actual care, andthere are bucket loads on the ground rotting fulla fly, I reckon it's ok to take a couple home for lunch. Of course, having a chat and saying "thats a really nice tree, got a bit eh? mind if I pinch a few to save you stepping in them next week?" is the way to go... but young kids aren't like that, not the brady bunch here haha.

Someone here charged a homeless bloke for stealing a paw paw...under some obscure pastoral law, got him a 25 (!!!) dollar fine and multiples of that court fees.... obscene.

A scary looking dog with no balls (pardon the phrase) will soon be picked as such in a fairly crime prone area, people KNOW that the serious dogs are the staffy x's etc with heads like dropped pies, all scarred and grinning, hanging out in the front yard half cut on goey and vb... even then, just about every "oh hang on mate I'll tie the dog up" dog I've met hasn't been an issue, they can smell fear, and I reckon I'm fast enough to make a bit of a mess of even a fairly nuggety dog, if they wanted to get all mammalian about things. But just wander straight in and when they start up, or get shifty, tell em in your best owyagoinmate voice "knock it off boofhead" and just keep on coming, and they figure "ol mate" must have you in his good books. It's nervous types, kids, junkmail people, that have the real problems. Energex blokes are known to carry a car antenna, the collapsable kind? Friends found this out by being quietly at home with the car at the mechanics and the bloke gave their dog a couple of taps across the muzzle with one, he was fairly apologetic but basically they had to agree with him that he has to deal with a lot of psycho dogs in the course of a day and hes sick of waiting for his arse to getbitten to work out which ones are which...round here they mail you details of when meter will be checked etc, so you can secure dogs and all that, so if you dont....)... but still, very nasty I think, either way.

But a dog that looks nuts and WILL eat people, can get you in a lot of trouble, not to mention how you'd feel if that dog, regardless of its breed, ended up tearing someones face off, biting thru the back of a childs head etc... very nasty injuries occur on kids when dogs of any breed go wrong, elderly people the same, the skin isnt rubbery its just like tissue paper, horrific. Owning a weapon (even if its just for chopping green manure most of the time ;) ) is a BIG deal. But I think it is the individuals right in some ways, as long as its left at home, or somewhere in the car that you aren't going to get to unless you are genuinely sure someone is about to take a shifter to you if you live in the road rage state.

If you zap someone with a pacemaker, problems.... and kids DO have them sometimes. It's also easy enough to wait for the pulses so you can time them, or just balls it out once and get the controller turned off. Fence gens only run so strong, its not nice but its not all that nasty either... but if you have it running higher, enough to actually hurt, I reckon that comes under the mantraps laws... moreso if some kid decides to jump your fence to get home in a hurry because its raining, and hes soaked and sweaty... bad news.

any decent dog will have a love and loyalty for your property if bonded and integrated the right way (only orders from one person helps there, a clear pack structure otherwise the dog thinks its one of the kids and has the same leeway). When I lived on TI, dogs were a BIG deal (crimeland). Sad to say people would actually carry out the old "guard dog routine"... bag it, kick it, open it up by someone of the local mistrusted skin tone... wrong stuff. But it kept a lot of people in safe that otherwise mightn't have been... that and the guns haha. Nasty, but pretty and on the street in daylight, friendly, beautiful people and culture.

good luck with the dog (both of you, thats nasty stuff shruman)..hope it all sorts out. Try looking at local RSPCA etc... everything done fixed and chipped, and the staff have a good idea as to temperaments. Saving a being from certain death has to help the loyalty thing too, and I reckon a dog smart enough to be a good family member would just know that that's what you did.

GD

[shruman]

"I think that's a bit absurd."

Me too, I think banning an animal is absurd prohibition is absurd & has been proven time & time again 2 b ineffective.

"You're right in that not just pit-bulls can be dangerous. There are a couple of other large dog breeds that have caused harm with some frequency. Perhaps the laws should extend to rotties and others too. It's a sticky issue."

"But of all dogs, the one with the most attacks in aus is (last I heard, was a lil while ago).. blue heelers, followed by border collies. "

So what should australias most iconic dog b 1st on the list? or border collies reputedly 1 of the smartest hardworking breeds?

"But I'm sure if you count up the number of old lady's poodles, neighbour's cats and children's faces that have been harmed by powerful and sometimes aggressive dogs it'll far outweigh the freak incidences of "cat suffocates new-born baby". Especially when weighted by the numbers of dangerous dogs, new-born babies and cats."

Funny u should say that I have been bitten by 2 dogs, 1 our family pet apricot poodle who we got when I was bout 14 an ex pets for therapy dog who worked in nursing homes with a beautiful temperment she sunk her teeth into my foot when I accidently trod on her hind leg & the 2nd a small sized dog a corgy that ran out of someones front yard charging at me & barking I got 1 swift kick up its head b4 it could bite me the 1st time & sent it whirlin but it turned round & bit my leg & I had 2 kick it numerous times 2 get it off ( mind u I was only 11 at the time).

I maintain any dog & most pets can b potentialy dangerous under certain circumstances should that mean we ban them all?

"good luck with the dog (both of you, thats nasty stuff shruman)..hope it all sorts out. Try looking at local RSPCA etc... everything done fixed and chipped, and the staff have a good idea as to temperaments. Saving a being from certain death has to help the loyalty thing too, and I reckon a dog smart enough to be a good family member would just know that that's what you did."

I will try what ever I can but Im not confident, the rangers dont want 2 do it at all they even said 2 me its not the breed but the owners. 1 of the rangers realy likes Buddah after looking after her a few times & taking her down 2 get microchiped & regd but they say theres nothing they can do its there job & they gotta do it & theres no way round it.

[Guest homoGenius]

I agree any animal can potentially be dangerous. One of the worst and most aggressive attacks on me was by a huge rooster at a farm we were visiting on a school excursion. I felt this amazing thud on my calf and turned to find the rooster trying to rip my legs apart. I ended up with quite big scratches and a deeper cut that left me amazed and shocked.

[Hagakure]

dont beleive in banning animals passive?

what if you are in suburbia but your neighbour wants to have three pigs in his backyard. have you smelt pigs before? bloody foul.

local governments restrict where you can have pigs for the overall benefit of society.

from that same perspectie im in favor of outlawing pitbulls.

they are a danger to the community due to many generations selected for killing efficiency.

you dont need dogs like that in australia. dog fights are illegal and there ar plenty of other guard dogs that dont have such dangerous genetics.

in the US pitbulls are responsible for the majority of dog related fatalities.

also, pound workers in the US say that pitbulls are the most owner surrendered dogs for extermination due to aggressive behaviour so its not just a case of bad owners bringing up bad dogs.

dont get me wrong on your case shruman. i dont think they should be able to take your dog away and kill it.

it was legal when you bought it, it is now part of your family, and if you are a responsible dog owner, you should be able to keep it.

i agree, however, with current laws preventing you from buying such breeds in the future.

[shruman]

"what if you are in suburbia but your neighbour wants to have three pigs in his backyard. have you smelt pigs before? bloody foul."

Yeah thats a valid point & some places they do the same thing for roosters cause of noise polution.

But lots of people these days are gettin those miniature pot belly pigs as pets are they subject 2 the same laws?

"you dont need dogs like that in australia. dog fights are illegal and there ar plenty of other guard dogs that dont have such dangerous genetics."

We didnt need our Buddah for either of those reasons & the majority of owners dont either, we needed her as a pet & member of our family & there are plenty of other dogs with dangerous genetics (if not all) dogs are natural predators & given a chance 2 hunt they do it out of instinct & are very effective.

"they are a danger to the community due to many generations selected for killing efficiency."

Given the chance most (if not all) dogs are extremely effecient killing machines its in their nature.

"also, pound workers in the US say that pitbulls are the most owner surrendered dogs for extermination due to aggressive behaviour so its not just a case of bad owners bringing up bad dogs."

I believe that most of those cases would b due to bad owners or owners who dont have time, know how or couldnt b bothered training their dog.

"it was legal when you bought it, it is now part of your family, and if you are a responsible dog owner, you should be able to keep it."

The sadest thing is that even under the worst circumstances we would b able to keep Buddah but unfortunately we cant afford it. If we lived in a town with a breed assessor we could probly keep her for $50 the ranger basicaly told us 2 tell the assessor she was a American Stafordshire Terrier & we should b fine but cause we live 400km from an assessor it would cost $300 odd dollars & we still woudnt b gauranteed keeping her & in the worst circumstances we could keep her but it would cost round $6000.

The law isnt just ridiculous in its inception but also in its application.