Ace Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) A few caespitose lophs to admire and drool over (sourced from all over the net - not mine, used without permission): No doubt, a few folks here would be familiar with most of these (most were sourced from old threads), but they are still mighty awesome to see! If you have any other caespitosa pics, please post them here! Edited April 4, 2007 by Ace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENtiTY Posted April 4, 2007 I see what you mean now Ace! Looking foward to some seeds now Looks more like a ground cover than a loph lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 4, 2007 It certainly is an amazing mutation. It is still a bit unclear as to how its classified, but I think its generally considered a mutation of L. williamsii, due to the clumping nature of it. I has also gone by a few other names, due to its alkaloidal content (supposedly little mesc in comparison to L. williamsii) and misclassification. I will have to see if there is any more info on it in any of my books at home, though I think its rare to find the small carpetting type in the wild, as they appear to be more like regular lophs which have seeded and germinated close together - whereas these caespitosa varieties are actually one plant that continually pumps out heads. Such a beautiful plant - got lots more pics at home, I'll try to remember to bring em in and upload tomorrow for all to enjoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonic Posted April 4, 2007 Thanks Ace, very cool thread, very nice pics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bez Posted April 4, 2007 It certainly is an amazing mutation. It is still a bit unclear as to how its classified, but I think its generally considered a mutation of L. williamsii, due to the clumping nature of it. I has also gone by a few other names, due to its alkaloidal content (supposedly little mesc in comparison to L. williamsii) and misclassification.... Has anyone conformed this either through experience or chem analysis? I planted several caspitose seeds yesterday (not just for munching either!) I think they are lovely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Birdman Posted April 4, 2007 Thank you Ace!! My favourite plant of all time,some of those grafts are frickin crazy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirLSD Posted April 4, 2007 figured i might as well put this pic in this thread. it is a pic for sabretooth. a 2cm and 3cm pup next to the mother Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 5, 2007 Glad everyone likes the thread! It certainly is my favourite form of the cactus - the way it covers a pot like a carpet, it really is just amazing to see - something I hope to aquire in the next few years! SirLSD - that is just stunning!! Is there any chance you might be able to part with a pup either as a sale or trade? I've started many threads requesting a small button to get me started, but as yet, I've had no luck Please PM me if you are able to share some of the love More pics in a few mins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 5, 2007 Has anyone conformed this either through experience or chem analysis? Hey Bez, sorry, at this point in time I cant say either way. I have read little snippets of info saying that it is on par with L. williamsii, then others saying that it contains very low amounts, if anything... I couldnt imagine there being any solid data on it atm, but if anyone knows otherwise, please let us know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 5, 2007 More pics, as promised All worhip the mighty Caespitose!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENtiTY Posted April 5, 2007 It would be awesome to see one of those multi multi headed grandmothers in flower! Imagine that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirLSD Posted April 5, 2007 bad memory ace? already got one lined up for you. here it is: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirLSD Posted April 5, 2007 just kidding.its not really that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet Posted April 5, 2007 here's another nice caespitose, not mine of course Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 12, 2007 (edited) bad memory ace? Haha, I had totally forgot at that point about the trade! My bad - damn, that is a nice specimen in the pic, I wish it were that one!! !! Looking forward to the deal SirLSD But, on another note, I have managed to score a couple little buttons yesterday off a newer member here - I'll let them post there name in this spot, if they wish to be mentioned - dont want everyone swamping the poor bugger with PMs Check out my new CAESPITOSE LOPHS!!!: Aus 5c piece for size comparison. BTW, yes, that is a little pup on the side of one of them Many, many, many thanks to this member - I was so impressed by their beauty when I opened the package - couldnt help but take a couple pics. I'll post more down the track when they are a bit bigger Edited April 12, 2007 by Ace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 12, 2007 here's another nice caespitose, not mine of course Any ideas on how this clump managed to get so tall? It seems like it has been planted on a mound of dirt? I have seen this characteristic on a couple other pics, but it seems rather odd - is this the usual growth pattern for caespitose lophs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted April 13, 2007 i need the lawn form of caespitose i have the clumper i have swapsies fricii cardona cuatrocienegas tecolote san antonio email me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 16, 2007 Klue has just bought a big old clump from Urban Tribes over the weekend - I'm uploading this on his behalf: UT was stating that it was between 20 and 25 years, and didnt say it was caespitose, but I think it may be and it could be even younger than what they stated. Klue payed a pretty penny - around the $200 mark. Gorgeous specimen and no doubt worth the bucks, but what to actually ID it as? My L. williamsii v. caespitose ID keys are: - Multiple small heads, remaining small until old age - Most heads remaining 5 ribbed until very old - Infrequent and not as regularly flowering as normal L. williamsii - Forming side pups (tillering) regularly to form a carpet or clumping effect My L. williamsii ID keys are: - Usually single headed until old age (about 7-10yrs) - Starts at 5 ribs, gaining more at about 5-7yrs - Fairly constant flowering (once or more each year) - Usually a slightly larger form than the caes. variety Now, would people think that Klues specimen is in fact a regular L. williamsii that has tillered over age to produce a 'caespitose like' effect, or could it be a younger caespitose variety? I'm not having a dig at Urban Tribes or Klue, but it seems like an unusual sort of specimen for that age, but then again it seems that there is huge variations between specimens anyway and this could be one of them odd variations Please note, my ID keys are just points that I use to ID plants as I find them, but they could be inaccurate or insufficient. Please add changes if you think they are insufficient Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted April 16, 2007 i need the lawn form of caespitose i have the clumper Rev, do you mind explain the differences between the 'clumping' and 'lawn' forms of the caespitose lophs? I cant see much difference between any of the above pics - perhaps you could enlighten us? It seems that the clumping form is more prominant on grafted specimens, and the lawn form is more prominant on seed grown (own roots) specimens - is that what you were getting at? Any chance of a few pics to help illustrate the differences? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted April 16, 2007 I was under the impression the caespitosa simply referred to the ability of some williamsii to pup profusely from a very young age. eg many heads As klues latest addition is cleary pupping strongly it would surely be called caespitosa. I think 20-25years would be spot on for that size, most williamsii would remain solitary even at that age. my latest addition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) yeah sure the clumper grows more like a normal loph big main head with a tendency to offset more than standard forms they are faster growing than standadrds and flower and set viable seed classic example is this 'lawns' are freaky the heads never get very big cos its like a lawn or cancer of small heads tiny heads on close inspection are already producing their own or even several new heads they dont to my knowledge flower much if at all to look at teh growth patter within a head looks like the branching inside a head of cauliflower unfortunately i cannot see pics clearly demosntarting this kinda like this shows but its not a good specimen. its my last bit b4 it rotted (RIP - u didnt die in vain) but i got my lawn loph from the guy in Vic who was selling them a few years ago too bad i didnt know what i was doing and killed them slowly over a few years now i can graft i need some more to make some crazy standards :D Edited April 16, 2007 by Rev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KlUe Posted April 16, 2007 yeah sure the clumper grows more like a normal loph big main head with a tendency to offset more than standard forms they are faster growing than standadrds and flower and set viable seed Hey Rev, Just on that note, it doesn't look like my new specimen has ever flowered - it doesn't have any signs of the wool that comes with flowering, and only has one rather large head which I'm presuming was the first parent. Hopefully one day i'll see it do so but i'm not expecting any time soon KlUe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted April 16, 2007 word is that plenty of calcium in the soil is needed for good flowering i too have several lophs that have never fowerd despite significant size and age ive now repotted to a limestone rich soil also it is said its good to allow them a dry winter ill see what happens next summer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KlUe Posted April 16, 2007 word is that plenty of calcium in the soil is needed for good floweringi too have several lophs that have never fowerd despite significant size and age ive now repotted to a limestone rich soil also it is said its good to allow them a dry winter ill see what happens next summer Thanks mate, I'm a bit worried about repotting this late in the season so it may have to wait until next. The soil does look quite average, so it'll be on the books for next season. KlUe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teonanacatl Posted April 16, 2007 chuck them under cool white fluoros, i had a loph flower once a week once is got settled and it would do so almost all year Moon plants definetly:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites