Martial Arts

[DocAzz]

Just curious who else is into Martial Arts here... What do you study, for how long, and why that style? etc etc

I'll kick it off, shall I?

I started off Boxing when I was 9 and stuck with that for a few months before we moved up the coast. The local boxing gym up there was inhabited by people that wanted to learn how to belt the shit out of someone and take their wallet. Obviously my old man didn't want me in that environment, so I stopped going. Picked up Karate a few years after that, and did that for 3 years until we moved again. My new school offered Judo and Kung Fu, so I jumped straight into them. Then I broke my leg, and even after it healed it was still rat-shit. So all my training had to come to a halt, as I could no longer pivot on my toes.

Over the past year I've been using this hydro-therapy machine we have at home, and I can't explain it, but it works. For years I couldn't even walk for more than half hour, and now I walk for a living. 2-4 hours a day without a worry. The thick nasty scar I have is actually starting to heal... which I don't want, because it looks awesome!

So I've jumped back into my training, and this time I'm training with a purpose. I want to compete in a mixed martial arts event. So I need a few different skill sets. Stand-up ability, takedowns, and submission skills.

For the stand-up I'm doing boxing, and a little muay thai. I don't like the concept of kicking, as I can throw three punches in the same time it takes to kick, but knees and elbows certainly have their place.

For the takedowns, I'm doing Judo. Reason being is that they're mega-agressive (Judo competitors LOSE points for adopting a defensive stance during competition), and it isn't all that well known in Mixed Martial Arts circles. I like the agression, because most MMA competitions use the whole time-limit, I watch it and get frustrated that people aren't pushing the fight, they score a point and then just hold the other person down to win without really trying.

For the submission work, I'm training in the little known art of Catch Wrestling. A) very very few people use it, let alone know OF it, and it answers everyone of the problems I have with Brazilian Jui Jitsu, which is the most common martial art used in MMA comps. In BJJ, competitors wait for the other competitor to make a mistake. Catch Wrestling forces mistakes. It is brutal, ultra-effective, and no one will know what I'm doing.

The Judo and Catch Wrestling cross over a little - there are a fair few submissions in Judo, and a number of takedowns in Catch Wrestling. So I'm going to mix-and-match taking the most effective techniques from both of them.

These three also help out with any serious problems encountered on the street better than anything else I've done.

With that said, I certainly know the benefit of the internal arts. The three I've picked now will turn me into a weapon in the ring. I think I'm about to take up yoga aswell, to keep me at peace internally.

[cisumevil]

Ah dont rule out the kicks......

A good Thai kick to the leg or kidney's will drop the best of them, seen it many a time!

[nabraxas]

a good knowledge ov judo can come in very useful if you go on to study other martial arts because ov the emphasis on balance.

[Korky]

have trained in a local style of karate for four years (finished two years ago) wich i got alot from, but as i learnt more about the non combative side of martial arts outside class i realised what i was being taught was only a robotic action in the form of kata's, stripped of the spirit and internal focus. (refering to my dojo only not karate in general) then i broke my right ankle and that made connecting a round house kick a sure fire way to spend the rest of the week limping.

agreed with cisumevil, dont rule out the kick its your longest reach, but sounds like your into full contact sparring and its normally close quarter combat so i understand the arms are primary, but a good knee or front snap kick can be effective.

congrats finding the results with the hydro no wonder your motivated, coming back from a serious injury can do that.

all the best at the next tornament

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[DocAzz]

Ah dont rule out the kicks......

A good Thai kick to the leg or kidney's will drop the best of them, seen it many a time!

Yeh I don't think I'll be throwing kicks high than the thigh - don't want them caught. Its fine in Muay Thai, because they won't try to catch it, then shoot-in for a takedown

I might ask my thai fighter mate (he won last night!! he was a bit rusty, but he has that killer instinct!) how to really toughen up my shins, so its like swinging a baseball bat everytime I kick. The poor fella that faced him last night had some really badly bruised ribs. Wouldn't surprise me if he broke a few, because they looked pretty bad even at the end of the fight, as normally they take time to puff up... but if they were broken he wasn't showing it. I guess that is the sport, turning your body into a hard weapon that doesn't feel pain, and breaking anything in front of you. Its a bit too wild for my liking. I dig the aggression, but I prefer the science of submission. You really have to know your anatomy.

[XipeTotec]

i am a ninja

[No_One]

Shroomy;

I bet ya your Ninja powers are no challenge for the skills I have learnt from years studying the mysteries of the lost art of Hamster Kung-Fu.

The responsibility I harbour due to having knowledge of this most-devestating form of martial arts means I can't really speak much about it but I can say it makes Ninjas look like C-Graders.

Choda Boy, a pioneer of the Hamster way and well respected porn-star, once spoke of the unrelenting potential practitioners of "Hamster" have in the movie Orgasmo, well worth a look.

[XipeTotec]

Shroomy;

I bet ya your Ninja powers are no challenge for the skills I have learnt from years studying the mysteries of the lost art of Hamster Kung-Fu.

The responsibility I harbour due to having knowledge of this most-devestating form of martial arts means I can't really speak much about it but I can say it makes Ninjas look like C-Graders.

Choda Boy, a pioneer of the Hamster way and well respected porn-star, once spoke of the unrelenting potential practitioners of "Hamster" have in the movie Orgasmo, well worth a look.

no match for my other fighting style, taught to me by a master in lancashire....this devastating style goes by the name of "ecky-thump"... where is my black pudding?

[Suprnova]

Heya,

Did a few years of Maui thai/Karate hybrid at local club, quite about 6 weeks back. Currently aiming too start again at new club inner city.

Catchya's

[Jesus On Peyote]

Hey good to hear from a fellow martial artist, tho iv never actually trained.

Iv been reading allot of things about different Fighting styles in the last few months,deciding on which i will start learning and training, hopefully by the end of the year. Anyway, the ones that look good and usable from what iv seen and what i want to learn is Muay Thai, some Aikido, Wu Shu and Jeet kung Do ( Bruce lee " be water my friend" ) and thow in some Brazilian Capiera and Dim mak.

Alot i know but abit from each would make a decent mix, maybe not the best for competitions but still good. I also lookto learn the philosophical side to martial arts also which helps in its understanding. if i ever get seriously into it i would also want to learn alot about chi meditation\budsisim .

Good luck with your training, we all goes well we might meet on the mat one day lol,

[marsha]

me likes bjj a lil judo and some good muay thai defense uber fun train bjj siz years and judo every now and then when i can be bothered muay thai only when training kikboxers how to bjj so pik up some good defenses all good fun

[Monk]

Been Boxing about 5 years. I love everything about it: the rush, the poise under pressure, the confidence it gives, the sweat, the pain, the pride. I've tried other martial arts(kung fu, karate) that just didn't give me the feeling boxing does. Boxing makes normally nerve racking situations seem like, "yeah, this is bad, but at least there's not a professional fighter trying to break my ribs and knock my head off." In other words, it seems to create a tolerance to "fight or flight" chemicals. This is a very usefull tolerance to possess as it allows you to think more clearly when attacked verbally or physically. This is something that can only be provided by true combat arts where you are experiencing these chemical surges on a regular basis. I recognize the benefits of arts like tai chi and aikido, but it seems to me they would never provide you with this particular advantage unless "battle tested."

[DocAzz]

Been Boxing about 5 years. I love everything about it: the rush, the poise under pressure, the confidence it gives, the sweat, the pain, the pride. I've tried other martial arts(kung fu, karate) that just didn't give me the feeling boxing does. Boxing makes normally nerve racking situations seem like, "yeah, this is bad, but at least there's not a professional fighter trying to break my ribs and knock my head off." In other words, it seems to create a tolerance to "fight or flight" chemicals. This is a very usefull tolerance to possess as it allows you to think more clearly when attacked verbally or physically. This is something that can only be provided by true combat arts where you are experiencing these chemical surges on a regular basis. I recognize the benefits of arts like tai chi and aikido, but it seems to me they would never provide you with this particular advantage unless "battle tested."

I believe its due to the fact that in your first lesson of boxing, you're hitting pads, and your ducking and weaving incoming shots too. No other striking martial art does this. My first lesson in BJJ showed me how to take someones back when they're in my guard. The instructor didn't really like my wrestling ideas, which were mainly that physical position isn't superiority, actual position is. It doesn't matter if I'm on my back, what matters is if my arms are wrapped around your neck about to crank it... then I'm in a superior position! For him, it was "gain position, then go for submission."

With that said, the BJJ still taught nothing in striking, and hence one will have trouble in real world scenarios if they're caught with a wild swing. A boxer will see a fist clench and draw back... he then instinctively fires a quick one-two due to his preconditioning and pad work. It always happens in pubs... no one slips off a quick cross while drunk, they always pull right back going for the "power shot." Which isn't really a power shot, but the beer tells them it is.

You gain a real sense of harmony from interal arts like aikido, but that goes out the window with a hand around your throat and your back against a wall. You are given no experience with that, thus your mind has no way of dealing with the sudden rush of adrenaline.

Cross-training - the best of both worlds. Inner peace with an inner beast.

[Guest Warrioe-Sage]

I use to be state full contact champion - karate, tekwondo, (2nd dan black belt)

I use to train with my brothers, and was also taught by a muey thai and karate champion.

We had an natural ability, and could do some freaky kicks but our master made sure we all ways returned to the basics.

I havent trained for about 10 years but I have just started again.

my train is every morning, 30 min stretch, 30 mins meditate, 30 mins yoga or tai-chi or kata, then 30 mins of hard endurance martial arts (like tai-bo)

10 mins high leg raises (front, side, behind) 30 mins of heavy waight lifting.

Gets the Chi moving nicelly.

I would love to do Wu Shu, my icon ATM is Ray park

( check this the link below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpk2g6lnJII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qok_nQu-cw0...ted&search=

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAuIVOulRzU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIv8vgQe4sE

http://www.raypark.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Park

http://www.jenshome.com/RPHome.html

If you have a tournament coming up I recommend drills and dont change you style to suit others do what you do best (Keep it natural).

and pray you dont come up against me coz I will break you !

Edited April 5, 2007 by Warrioe-Sage

[mark80]

Been doing judo for 8 years, although i must admit since med school started i havn't gone. I used to be really good used to fight in every major competition in australia. Ever since i turned 16 i started doing submissions and are now my favourite technique. Something so awsome about it. i will see if i can dub a movie of one of my fights (or at least highlights) onto the web. If anybody here is into judo comps then i porbably know you or have at least seen you.

[ThunderIdeal]

You gain a real sense of harmony from interal arts like aikido, but that goes out the window with a hand around your throat and your back against a wall. You are given no experience with that, thus your mind has no way of dealing with the sudden rush of adrenaline.

Cross-training - the best of both worlds. Inner peace with an inner beast.

i've been shown a few aikido moves. to be more accurate a few were demonstrated on me. i was surprised how easily i could be manipulated when he had me by the throat.

aikido only uses strikes to cause pain and shock so i won't disagree with you about how useful boxing could be, but aikido seems like very powerful stuff. everything is practised on a partner, so i guess half the time you are being thrown around etc, the other half you are throwing somebody around, so it may not cover every situation but i'd consider it "real" practise.

one thing that has changed over the years is that they no longer do most of their training on their knees.

[Salviador]

I have been doing ki-aikido for 3 or so years now. The reason i decided to begin, was to develop a better understanding of how my body relates to others in physical reality. Ki-aikido focuses very much on redirecting intention/ki/energy/a punch in the most mutually harmonious way possible with an attitude of love and kindness. The emphasis for doing this is to become more aware/think less, balance, and being able to psychologically "lead" the opponents mind through baiting your opponent, making him believe he will hit you until the very last second, thus the opponent overbalances just a little, allowing the akidoka to safely redirect him to the ground. If you don't hurt your opponent you end the endless cycle of revenge and reinforce loving kindness.

Boxing is the hardest art to combat with aikido as they keep their centre of gravity while attacking, but the law of the universe dictates that whoever attacks first will fall.

[Andrew]

Push when pulled,pull when pushed.

[devance]

And Mad Max was the Aussies cops but against the bikers.

First some abo hair.

[ThunderIdeal]

can you make the meaning of that statement any clearer?

[Jesus On Peyote]

I have no farking idea lol. if your talking bout the mad max statement.

Push when pulled,pull when pushed. Did Sensi Lee say that? think i remember hearing it somewhere recently.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Oh and has anyone seen Tony Jaa? from Thailand, looks awesome. Brutal and effective.

When you Have to fight, fight to win R.I.P Miyagi

[ThunderIdeal]

i think it's just a basic principle of aikido... not to resist your opponent but to take advantage of their own strife. another principle is circular movement and generally moving in the most efficient, least contrived way, like water.

if somebody tried to attack me i don't know that i'd be too concerned about how much i hurt them, but i must admit it is a beautiful notion.. aikido is the only martial art (to my knowledge) whose objective is to overcome an opponent with an absolute minimum of harm. i don't know if the stories are true but they say that the japanese guy who came up with this before world war two was never defeated by anybody.

.... the mad max / abo hair thing.. i'm completely lost yet intrigued

[ThunderIdeal]

... what was his debut called? very cool for a small budget film. nationalistic but i like thai values anyway. tony jaa definitely shows alot of promise.. has he made any movies since? i know that those filmmakers have done a second film. i've seen both and what really stands out is the stunt work!!! virtually all of it is real, except for the stuff that is far too dangerous to be real.

tony jaa: a bit over the top but what movie martial artist isn't? he embodies muay thai beautifully, like the scene where somebody tries to punch him in the head, and he just headbutts the guys fist on purpose hahahaha.