women in veils and headcoverings

[Green Osiris]

Azz301 - be careful not to piss the big daddy off, otherwise you’ll be in the Green Osiris club. That is, ummm, still posting !

And whilst I neither agree with the shiny metal assed jono (where’s your avatar, dud?) on all of his comments, I must concur that to give Yowie a double warning is a ludicrous bastardisation of power on the part of the moderator. A private message would have sufficed. The issue here isn’t really about Yowie as an individual contributor, it’s about the blatant double standards ideology from board of directors. Yet again.

[Green Osiris]

I have repeatedly asked Yowie to not do shit like this, if you all must know. Forgive my delay in addressing this.

I am whacking Yowie with a warn for this and another warn for ignoring my previous warnings.

Note also that Yowie doesn't have a "warn" bar in his sig, despite the comments made above.

Where again are the defined rules of engagement pertaining to this site ? Seems more a 'make it up as we go along' kinda approach dependant on mateship.

[DocAzz]

azz, u love torsten

Maybe ;)

So... ahhh.... Torsten... do I get those freebies, yet??

[Amulte]

i didnt mind seeing the image, but in all honesty i dont see how its hard to respect the wishes of others when it comes to somthing as trivial as nudity. Yowie himself has said he also understands.

for those interested maybe a link should be posted to somthing off site, provided there is an adequte description like yowie did provide, its just this situation show there was a need to ammend the rule yowie was attempting to abide by. nudity now links only, surely that is acceptable to all reguardless of ethnicity or beliefs.

[Μορφέας]

some male pics for the ladies

[DocAzz]

Really - if we're all adults, then how hard is it to say "well, its not for me, so i'll just click Back, and then hit another thread"

I'm not saying if I agree or disagree. My sole point is: Its not illegal, just immoral. Morality is subjective. So how hard is it to keep personal beliefs aside? I'd wager almost everyone in the thread would say things differently if we were all in person, around a campfire.

[XipeTotec]

please delete...

Edited March 22, 2007 by shroomytoonos

[incognito]

jono... i didnt judge the people of this community.... please point out where I did. I raised issue with torsten... which I have in the past, and likely will again (im sure one day we will kiss and make up) I have actually gotten to know quite a few people in this community, and have found them to be very cool. you on the other hand jono... I will not be making an effort to know, as you have felt the need to take this opportunity to attack me for reasons unknown. as for being a troll wannabe... maybe you should stop being a human wannabe, and learn to live with the fact that u suck... lol..

well fuk me if u just didnt imply that yowie is racist

the fact that i suck does not bother me, as i find it pleasurable for both parties involved, and plays an intricate part of keeping my relationship exciting, as for being a human wannabee, i think ur spot on!!!

quote"-there’s a definite attitude & ethics re-alignment that need to be addressed.

Love & Kisses,

GO"

and ur calling torsten a hypocrite?

i think we all need to have a look at our own ethics and attitudes before we can start berating torstens, myself included. so easy to blame the other go. we all have our faults, as im sure u have GO. After knowing torsten personally he has many wonderful good sides to his personalty.

as i do, and as u do GO. he also has bad ones, as i most certainly do, and im sure u do as well GO.

I mean the guy is human GO as u are and as i am. So instead of berating t for his 'inadequacies' why dont u look at ur own, and weigh them up, then think about this petty little war that ur waging, its a waste of time man. T is a good guy,plain and simple, with faults like every fucking one of us. And he does alot for this scene. I think he at least deserves that respect.

[apothecary]

*sigh*

I wish you trolls would just LEAVE US ALONE.

Things were fine here as usual while you were gone, and once again all this bullshit has brought you back out of the woodwork to stir up some more trouble.

Yowie has been given SEVERAL chances, discrete messages and all, and considering I have known him for a fair whack now I would say that due to this I gave him several more chances than I would most members.

Of course, nobody will let their ignorance of such goings on stand in the way of a good rant, right?

Like I have explained to Yowie personally and said already in public, my issue is not with the nakedness. My issue is that Yowie seems to have trouble thinking about it before he decides to post something that will be blatantly offensive to some members.

I can't understand why people have so much trouble playing nice. I mean, what is the point of all this bickering? Do you all have nothing better to do?

EDIT: Just like to point out I am working a 12 hour shift tomorrow, and I am hoping that when I get home after a day of leaving this forum without anyone to watch it, nothing will have exploded. Seriously people, PLAY NICE.

Edited March 22, 2007 by apothecary

[XipeTotec]

1.well fuk me if u just didnt imply that yowie is racist

Love & Kisses,

GO"

2.. And he does alot for this scene. I think he at least deserves that respect.

1. I initially thought that the post came across as racist, not knowing the background of yowies fetish... i must say I also find middle eastern women very attractive. The reason i questioned the images, is due to the nudity(not that I have a problem with nudity) but I think alot of people of middle eastern decent would find this offensive... yowie was very gracious in removing the image which cause most drama( even thought as go pointed out... the images are not actually the issue) but i commend yowie for doing such.

2. GO acknowledged torstens contribution to the scene, which we all greatly respect...even when some of us clash with him at times

Edited November 1, 2007 by XipeTotec

[Green Osiris]

So you are referring to Nil (aka Evo) as a troll? This was the first and continuing aspect of ‘things were fine’ degradation on this thread. So we can only read this as a suggestion that she has no right to voice disdain for the post ? Or yet another weak attempt at social engineering ? You don’t even come CLOSE to the talents of your mentor in this field.

Seriously, Apo, who the fuck are you to make such almighty judgements ? This is as constant a trend as Torsten’s messianic chest beating. There’s little that gets under my skin, as I am supremely self-controlled in my emotions. However the blatant ego and small-man-syndrome (maybe) arrogance from you is deplorable. Have you then won, in your opinion ? Maybe, GO is *finally* pissed off at something in this forum.

Your public-slave existence can’t even begin to dream up what you‘re dealing with now. Please PM me, as we simply must have a 1 on 1 ’reality check’ session in the real world. I can happily do “Northern Line” area to accommodate your hectic schedule.

And the LEAVE US ALONE statement only re-confirms the dying embers of a secret club that's falling apart, not from outside influence, but from a growing clarity that the main players just may be of fraudulent personality.

Love,

GO - Lots of Posts, still not banned.

[Torsten]

I really don't see why I rub you the wrong way.. you confuse me, as you can at times be quite civil. even friendly towards me... but then, have an outburst out of the blue, I think you may actually like me torsten!!!

Goes to show that I don't hold grudges and react on the situation before me at that time.

Look, I like your sense of humour just I like GO's intelligence, but that doesn't mean these traits always work in the best interest of the forum. eg, your humour in one thread may be hilarious and in another totally inappropriate or divisive.

btw, when I think about warnign someone or intervening in a thread, I usually look at the last few posts a member has made. This is because we can all have a bad day or get wound up by someone else and I don't like punishing people for that [because I have them too]. See, if I look at your profile today and see the last 5 ot 8 posts there is a good mix of humour, stupidity, forgiveness, shitstirring, and sensible contribution. Others would not fare so well.

I do know what is going on... I was actually making comment on nils post, not yours, so why do I need to read yours?

Fair enough.

its not that I care if you delete it or not, it is more that you are happy to accept that, but if someone says for example, that it isnt illegal to take cuttings from public gardens... they are confronted with an outburst of insults.

When I told you off re stealing cuttings [and note that I reember the incident, but not the person involved, so I am taking your word for it] then that was about encouraging a new member to do somethign illegal and what is regarded in this community as very unethical.

I just thought it would go against the principles of the forum (most formal communities have rules regarding religious and racial tolerance.)

Yes, and so do we. The problem is not about the rule, but about the eprception of what is racism. I personally don't find the non-naked women pics racist in the least, especially knowing who posted them and why. When I saw the naked one I also did not think of it in terms of racism, but maybe in terms of wft do we need naked women pics posted here again.

Apo opted to remove the naked image regardless. I probably would have removed it too if I received a complaint from a source that doesn't have an agenda. In fact until nil's rant I woudl have been happy for the whole thread to be deleted by the mod. It certainly did not require admin intervention.

[Torsten]

Youv’e said that about this member several times previously. Unless she is barred by you, there is no onus to stay away.

She's not barred, but I am considering a new problem that has arisen, which is people posting their constructive stuff on the other forum and just breezing in here to spread discord and have a whine every now and then. if you are a part of a community then there is an expectation for both aspects. If not then I see no problem in closing the door on your way out.

nil made a point of leaving, which is kinda not much of a point if she is still here.

Amazing that you are perching upon this particular soapbox to discredit people outside of your (self-perceived) click of late.

Interesting clique. We are such a tight knit and single minded group, right?

Yowie got 2 bars today, which is more than you or shroomy have.

Apo and I disagree on the extent of the moderation and punishment.

jono - i haven't talked to for weeks [how are you buddy? good to see you back]

now, who else was it who is homogenised in this clique you talk about?

You need to thank Yowie for removing the naked pic, for you (as the site operator) would otherwise been in the sightlines for all manner of grief for allowing (ie not removing) such contributions in an age of “Anti-Islamism”.

LOL, now you are suddenly FOR censorship? Make up your mind!!!

I’ve no doubt about Yowie’s fetish for hijab/burqa/niqab clad women, but how about if a member had a similar fetish for naked children ?

Bit of a dumb comparison as one is illegal the other one isn't.

PS: Irrespective of my thoughts on this thread, i think Yowie *should* re-instate the original picture in order to have a credible start-point in what may or may not become a passionate online discussion. Please re-post it Yowie, you have my blessing. Original convictions are the most honest.

Yowie did not delete the image. For tose who missed it, it was a tasteful fullfrontal of a stunningly beautiful naked woman with headscarfe. And no, the moderator has decided on the image, so it is not for you to give or take permission.

[Torsten]

I must concur that to give Yowie a double warning is a ludicrous bastardisation of power on the part of the moderator. A private message would have sufficed.

Yes, you are such an authority on basic forum standards aren't you

You do not know the background, so butt out.

[nabraxas]

Note also that Yowie doesn't have a "warn" bar in his sig, despite the comments made above.

Where again are the defined rules of engagement pertaining to this site ? Seems more a 'make it up as we go along' kinda approach dependant on mateship.

everybody has a warn bar, but only they can see them, ie: i can see mine but i can't see yours, you can see yours but you can't see mine.

[Machine Elf]

- edited to remove petulant rant...I should drink my morning coffee before posting -

Edited March 23, 2007 by Belfegor

[Ace]

Simple solution to anyone wingeing about Torsten or moderators. Fuck off and start your board, there's plenty of free ones on offer about the place.

Well spoken Belf - and it really is as simple as that.

You dont like it here? Feel free to pack your bags and piss off.

[XipeTotec]

i dont think it is as simple as that... we all want to be part of and contribute to the entheo community... it doesnt mean we all have to be up each others arses... none of us dislike torsten or any of the other members, infact, we most likely all have great respect for each other... it is just the case that whenever you get a gathering of people, you are going to get difference in opinions etc.... which is actually what make a forum such as this worthwhile... it would be a bit lame if all we did was agree with each other.

[marsha]

ok this thread has been ruined i dont want it to be full of talk about trolls and who is what aand does what or even naked men the title is clear and thats what it should be can people just share images of beautiful veiled women also it be nice if all unrelated posts were deleted this kind of talk is littered through too many posts and this ones title is now even clearer so please go away or ignore this thread uless u can contribute or appreciate such beautiful women thanks yowie xoxo oh and btw i do have a warn level 2 squares so lets leave that one be too

[marsha]

 

 

[stonewolf]

I really cant see...besides the eyes of course, how these women are beautiful. If you can't see someones face its very hard to judge. It seems...pointless to post pictures of women with full veils...the semi viels i can understand entirely however.

[ramon]

It is because of the eyes that they are beautiful.

[Green Osiris]

Belfegor: Simple solution to anyone wingeing about Torsten or moderators. Fuck off and start your board

This is becoming a reality even as we speak (or type at least). Yet even with the new, sans-SAB influenced ethno-forum, Torsten has already taken great pains in expressing his distaste, shared his negative assumptions, belittled the administrator, and made speculative assumptions on the future of the board & it‘s future membership. People ARE breaking away from SAB, and have been for quite some time. The so called ‘trolls’ aren’t to blame, as much as it may like to be twisted as such to suit.

Torsten: I am considering a new problem that has arisen, which is people posting their constructive stuff on the other forum and just breezing in here to spread discord and have a whine every now and then.

As much as you might like to think you are the supreme mentor, the majority of posts in the new forum are not about you. Sure, your existence is commented upon from time to time, but why wouldn’t it ? It’s all ethnobotanical, and you’re a major player. Kudos, my boy. As I’ve quite openly said on many prior occasions, you are one of the pioneers in bringing Australian ethno into an accessible format. That does NOT give you the right to play almighty king. There is a long overdue need for you to take some time and self-reflect, perhaps compile the many criticisms levelled at you and absorb them, instead of throwing up the deflective shield, pushing out the chest and pouting. To this day, you are yet to take the personal journey, and some of us are saddened for you. Rarely by you.

Insofar as the ‘breezing in’ as an outside to otherwise ‘constructive stuff’ postings, this might be indicative of an ever-present collective feeling that members can no longer express their lucid, honest opinions on SAB anymore, without being chastised, ostracised, pariah-ised. As much as it will hurt your precious ego, there will soon be a point where you will never be mentioned again outside of this forum.

See, it would be much easier for an administrator if the growing disdain was of the ‘fuck you, fag, cunt, suckhole yada yada’ expression in member‘s comments, but it’s not the case. As much as you try and manipulate statements made by recent articulate posters, you haven’t yet banned or barred me. Why exactly is that ? Perhaps because I have not expressed any regular, repeated trends of racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, abusive posts. Should I make it easy for you to ban me by calling you a weakpoofterniggerfaggotcunthole? Um, you know such crass expressions, or for that matter beliefs) doesn’t wash with me, and you would have established by now that I am neither racist, sexist or homophobic. But heck, I’ve even specifically requested you (via PM) to suspend my username, and you refused to do so. Do I *want* to be banned? Well, I don’t care either way, the forum is still here for me to enjoy, whether I post here or not. Therefore these ‘threats’ you make, both publicly and privately, don’t cause an immediate shiver in my bones.

As I publicly mentioned earlier, personal growth is within your reach, you just need to have enough humility to accept the help that is on offer here for you. I can be your life-coach, but you need to take the first step towards rebirth yourself.

If you choose to swing the axe and decapitate my presence at SAB, I cannot stop you. However even the most hardened of henchmen can never be disaffected by the blood on their hands.

Torsten: so it is not for you to give or take permission

Yet another example of your insatiable quest for dominance. Who ARE you exactly to dole out permissions on another person’s opinion ?

Reminds me of the lyric set from the latest TOOL album:

Who are you to wave your finger?

You must have been outta your head

Eye hole deep in muddy waters

You practically raised the dead

Rob the grave to snow the cradle

Then burn the evidence down

Soapbox house of cards and glass so

Don't go tossin' your stones around

You must have been high

Foot in mouth and head up ass

So whatcha talkin' 'bout?

Difficult to dance 'round this one

'til you pull it out. boy,

You must have been so high

Steal, borrow, refer, save your shady inference

Kangaroo done hung the jury with the innocent

Now you're weeping shades of cozened indigo

(Musta) got lemon juice up in your eye

When you pissed all over my black kettle.

You must have been high!

Who are you to wave your finger?

So full of it

Eye balls deep in muddy waters

Fuckin' hypocrite

Liar, lawyer, mirror, show me. What's the difference?

Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent.

Now you're weeping shades of cozened indigo

(Musta) got lemon juice up in your eye

When you pissed all over my black kettle.

You must've been...

So who are you to wave your finger?

Who are you to wave your fatty fingers at me?

You must have been out your mind

Weepin' shades of indigo

Shed without a reason *

Weepin' shades of indigo

Liar, lawyer - mirror, for you what's the difference?

Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government.

Now you're weeping shades of cozened indigo

(Musta) got lemon juice up in your eye

Now when you pissed all over my black kettle.

You must've been high!

Eyeballs deep in muddy waters

Eyeballs deep in muddy waters

Ganja? P-lease!

You must have been out your mind

And where the fuck is Apothecary with his two-bobs worth? Guy, I’m waiting for your PM.

[Torsten]

Yowie - maybe this thread should be renamed the women of islam discussion thread and you should start a new picture thread that could be more strictly policed to make sure the trolls don't get their way.

[Torsten]

Looking back at GO's recent posts it is clear he is only here to annoy and attack the mods and me.

After his last suspension he was allowed back on the basis of promises to stay on topic and to stop trolling. It is obvious he can't keep those promises [and has twice said that he can't] so he has been suspended indefinitely.

As for anyone else who thinks they can use this place as a dumping ground or troll heaven, be warned. I am not very patient at the moment. And no, I don't mean you shroomytonos. You might give me the shits on a regular basis, but that's not what this is about.

I am going to be very swift with anyone who feels like the new AE forum is the place to contribute and SAB is the place to troll and bitch. You are not welcome anymore and with an alternative forum being available I have no problem limiting access for those who work towards hurting the SAB forums [no matter what disguise that effort might come in].