Kenny Blister Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) Just a few pics of my pretties. The metel cultivars may well be the first to flower in Oz. Thanks to evolutionNth for the lovely specimens D. metel cv 'Unforgettable' D. metel cv 'Mr Purple' And possibly my fave Datura at the moment, D. stramonium v tatula I'll get some pics of my innoxia when I get a decent shot. Edited February 21, 2007 by Kenny Blister Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted February 20, 2007 Damn dude - very very pretty! Thanks for sharing Kenny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MORG Posted February 20, 2007 Yeah, gorgeous plants. That querc is stunning. They are some of my most favourite flowers. Thanks And keep the photos coming Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KlUe Posted February 20, 2007 Damn, nice shots there dude. Love the colours KlUe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted February 20, 2007 excellent photography. the purple one is already on my living room wall... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet Posted February 20, 2007 those are some nice photos. Is it just me or does the oak leaf datura look like Datura stamonium var. tatula ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 20, 2007 (edited) anyone tried datura..? I'd prefer to smoke some brug flowers. And only a tiny amount, with damiana and calea. I mostly sit amongst the datura flowers at night before I go to bed, taking in the aroma, watching them dance to music I can't hear. Is it just me or does the oak leaf datura look like Datura stamonium var. tatula ? I didn't even think to check. I don't have a tatula and can't compare immediate plants, however, upon a little research I think you are right. The quercifolia (Chinese thornapple, oak leaf datura) appears to have leaves much lighter in colour than mine and the fruits of mine are definitely different to those depicted on the internet. Can anyone confirm? Edited February 20, 2007 by Kenny Blister Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet Posted February 20, 2007 It looks identicle to the tatula i have growing at the moment. anyone tried datura..? i've only ever grown them. I wouldn't consider eating any part of the plant unless i had a need to poison myself for some reason. Don't know about smoking it though, haven't tried that either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted February 21, 2007 those are some nice photos. Is it just me or does the oak leaf datura look like Datura stamonium var. tatula ? yeah nice dude. thanks for getting back to me personally with your theory after i posted photographs to you to your private email. i think you may be right. in future i think it's best to discuss issues of misidentification with the grower who has been gracious enough to take the time to send you photos instead of posting 'golly could this be something different' inane commentary on public forums after receiving private emails about the very subject and deciding not to respond at all. i'm happy to relabel anything misidentified and in future if anyone sees plants i have available in my garden or on ebay, etc., please feel free to contact me about it with evidence or your theory so i can label my plants appropriately and not disseminate incorrect information to other growers. that's the polite thing to do, but yeah, whatever. i took it on 'expert advice' that the stramonium was quercifolia, didn't research it myself at all due to the source. i have never grown stramonium in my garden and had nothing to compare it to. nice pictures, kenny. ;) thanks for bringing the stramonium to my attention. i appreciate it. gone again. ~evolutionNth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 21, 2007 No problem ev, I know you trusted your source and didn't intentionally mislabel. Whatever else, they are still damn pretty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet Posted February 21, 2007 yeah nice dude. thanks for getting back to me personally with your theory after i posted photographs to you to your private email. i think you may be right. in future i think it's best to discuss issues of misidentification with the grower who has been gracious enough to take the time to send you photos instead of posting 'golly could this be something different' inane commentary on public forums after receiving private emails about the very subject and deciding not to respond at all.i'm happy to relabel anything misidentified and in future if anyone sees plants i have available in my garden or on ebay, etc., please feel free to contact me about it with evidence or your theory so i can label my plants appropriately and not disseminate incorrect information to other growers. that's the polite thing to do, but yeah, whatever. i took it on 'expert advice' that the stramonium was quercifolia, didn't research it myself at all due to the source. i have never grown stramonium in my garden and had nothing to compare it to. man i didn't attack you in any way, no need to over react to the situation. I forgot to get back to your email about the quercifolia that is all. I'm not claiming you are intentionally selling misidentified plants. We all make mistakes. I'm sorry you took it that way. I hope there are no hard feelings for the future man. I never try to make a public example of anyone. I just suggested it is probably Datura stramonium var. tatula. You obviously recieved the seeds as quercifolia so i'm not blaming you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Very nice pics, Datura always looks at its best at night. Foaf has tried stramonium probly 20 times from smoking leaves, flowers, seeds to making tea form leaves, flowers, seeds, roots and mixtures of some & all & quite large quantities compared to doses I have read about & foaf only ever had a sedated feeling on stronger doses almost impossible to stay awake but never had any halucinations. Foaf also tried 10 kwells tablets & only got the same sedated feeling, next time foaf will try 20 kwells & if that dont work foaf will give up on tropanes. Edited February 21, 2007 by shruman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted February 21, 2007 man i didn't attack you in any way, no need to over react to the situation. I forgot to get back to your email about the quercifolia that is all. I'm not claiming you are intentionally selling misidentified plants. We all make mistakes. I'm sorry you took it that way. I hope there are no hard feelings for the future man. I never try to make a public example of anyone. I just suggested it is probably Datura stramonium var. tatula. You obviously recieved the seeds as quercifolia so i'm not blaming you. no worries. when it comes to plant id because it sucks when people think they are getting something it doesn't turn out to be, so in future if you ever spot anything of mine you're not sure of if you could get to me straight away that would rock. i sell a lot of things on ebay and the idea that i'm throwing around misidentified stuff bothers me greatly. cheers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MORG Posted February 21, 2007 Foaf also tried 10 kwells tablets & only got the same sedated feeling, next time foaf will try 20 kwells & if that dont work foaf will give up on tropanes. Your friend should post a report on these Kwells experiments when he's ready. It's the only standardised way to ingest tropanes which makes it useful information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 21, 2007 Foaf will do morg but it might be a while he only gets a calling for the tropanes every now & then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted February 21, 2007 yeah, sounds like lots of fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 21, 2007 yeah, sounds like lots of fun. Yeah lucky bastard my foaf took ten & still didnt trip, pity Pan got shut down. How does the saying go "one mans pot is another mans poison" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted February 21, 2007 yeah, sounds like lots of fun. Yeah lucky bastard my foaf took ten & still didnt trip, pity that story is from 2003 i remember it, it was a big scandal, the company went bust because of it, some jerk put overdoses into the travelcalm tablets. The ones sold now should just have as much in them as they claim to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 21, 2007 Yeah gom apparently they were using floor sweepings for some medications, very unethical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 21, 2007 Here's an oakleaf Strommonium var 'Tatula' just about to bloom for the second time. I'm hoping to film one of the flowers opening tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 21, 2007 That looks very different to my 'tatula'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted February 22, 2007 hey mescalito that does look very different. how is everyone identifying these datura?? the one photo i saw of 'chinese thornapple' seed pod was a very different seedpod than the ones these 'stramonium var. tatula' present with. the problem is that was one photograph meant to be taken as the source of information that these are not quercifolia. now we see mescalito's which is obviously again, very different. that is not an oakleaf shape at all. quercifolia is commonly called 'the oak leaf datura'. does anyone else have stramonium they can say 'yes this is an oak leaf shape' here? this has become confusing. the source i got the quercifolia seed from was very clear it was quercifolia. maybe it is quercifolia? is it stramonium? what is it? i remember that story now that you bring it up gomaos, pan pharmaceuticals! mmm floor sweepings..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet Posted February 22, 2007 My tatula also have oak shaped leaves like the photos that kenny posted. They seem to be more oak shaped than the standard stramonium. I actually found my tatula growing wild here in south east queensland not far from other pure white stramoniums. The leaves on the photo of mescalito look more like inoxia leaves. Just have to wait for the flowers. Its funny it seems alot of the so called plants being called oak leaf datura that i have seen on many websites are actually stramonium varieity tatula. Even if you do a google image search alot of the so called oak leaf datura images are tatula but there are a few genuine oak leaf datura to. this looks like the real thing http://web.nmsu.edu/~kallred/corona/DaQu.html http://caplter.asu.edu/imageLibrary/ViewPhotos.jsp?id=76547 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 22, 2007 Yup, mescalito's does look a lot like my innoxia. I think the key to identifying the real quercifolia is in its fruit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nil Posted February 22, 2007 yep i can see that now. it's kinda cool to see a couple extra photos too prophet thanks. i was only finding one. the leaves are much more pronounced as an 'oak leaf' type as well. odd but they don't look like oak leaves, either. common names.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
