Sexual Transcendence and Chemistry

[Guest reville]

Sitting here thinking about the mind blowing states reached during great sex, and not just at the point

of orgasm but throughout the experience when you hit ‘that chord’.

I guess you all know the joke about Sex and Pizza, but what im talking about is the good stuff,

When the waves of pleasure override the senses and you get the OEV’s and CEV’s.

I guess what i want to do here is just ramblr through a collation of the sorts of things ive come acrss regarding plant helpers and chemistry for attaining sexual delight and anyone can then

quote me on any aspect and take it where they want to. Im sure theres no lack of interest in this

topic

I was watching a program concerning Tantric sex last night, not a great program but there was a

quote pulled from the Dalai lama that there are three times when we are in direct contact with

the divine and thats during sleep , at death and during ‘lovemaking’ ( i guess to differentiate from

the many ways, forms and motivations that cause us to engage).

Of course theres a fourth and thats under the influence of Entheogens and Trance states - I

wouldnt have expected such a learned man to have left out that one)

Back to the point - which is what? - well

It seems that sex can be influenced along several distinct pathways - I mean you can enter so

many mental states during sex

Theres the lusty sort - a sort of frenzied passion where it can go kind of berkers - kind of a

blind fury, where the body has a will of its own and you expend muscular and cardiovascular

energy you really didnt think you had before collapsing with your heart jumping out of your

chest.- during which time you zone out and wierd trance states are occassionally entered for a

couple of minutes akin to Nitrous oxide, Hyperventilation or asphyxiated states (and then the afterglow). Iguess you could call this bonking you brains out!

I m guessing that theres an adrenal and dopamine involvement (sory to reduce and oversimplify it) there as its very climax

oriented. Theres a loss of regard for the bodies wellbeing as you rush the peak.- I draw an analogy to that and the sprint on the homestretch of a race with exactly the same overexertion and endogenous morphine type afterglow.All fun albeit an intense but short lived climax

Ive heard of people taking ‘supplements’ at this stage to spring to mind - one fictional (?) and

one anecdotal . the former being in the movie (German - released under various names), one being the most desired man or something. basically about some guy who everyone wants - man

or woman. In this a particularly Horny woman gets hold of a can of spray used to

(over)stimulate the sex drive in Bulls. Some kind of pheromone i guess.

The other is amyl nitrate which ive heard is used amongst some members of the gay

community prior to climax - presuambly to enhance the effect along these lines (?)

Another sexual enhancer ive read about is Crack cocaine though i guess the addictive nature make it a risky venture.

Side topic; I heard somewhere that application of cocaine to the end of the penis gives long term wood. But believing that its a topical anaesthetic im sceptical about the idea of this if

applied to the glans - shit i mean ime sure weve all (well all the guys) must have done the whole chilli or deep heat thing by accident - overstimulation caues numbness *(after the initial pain).

theres also 'Chan Su' used in chinese medicine, its the dried venom secretion of Bufo gargarizans and it has all the tryptamines and cariac toxins of the other Bufo sp. Ive heard of people rubbing that on the end of the dick too - i heard some guy got busted for possession of bufotenine and then embarassingly explained how and why he had it, he kept it in his wallet next to he condoms presumably

Getting back to it.

Other herbs im aware of that influence this state are things like Muira Puama, L-tyrosine (not a herb but hey) and (while im going off topic) Exam study break! I swear the stress and anticipation crossed with procrastination puts myself and sevaral others in the mood in a big way.I must mention that this acute stress has exactly the opposite effect of chronic stress that you get from weeks 6 till 13 however with work and assignments wearing you down- its an anaphrodisiac

Another form of sex is the longer more rhythmic tingly type - Hedonistic sex id call it. The kind

where the journey can be better than the destination. It the kind where the whole foreplay,

mood lighting,scents,massage, 64 positions and constant bliss thing puts both into a state of

heightened awareness. The kind that builds by climbing peaks steadily and the the plateau and

so on and so forth. These kinds of experiences can get literally psyhedelic for me, and ive heard

others talk about deep spiritual connectivity attained in these states.

Now im sure serotonin must be involved there, the feelings of love, the feelings of rippling

ecstacy and even the Open eye visuals are all share elements with the common serotonergenic or serotonin agonists and even prolonged reversible MAOi intake, especially with other kidney tonic and steroidal substances such as in Tribulus.

Iwonder if 5HTP might be useful as a sexual potentiator

This type of sex can also be enhanced by lysergics (LSD for sure and Im even more sure that HBWR would work a treat) and low levels of tropane alkaloids (at least for me - American mandrake Podophyllum sp. in tincture form) Interestingly theres a recipe in the Kama Sutra for a mix if

aannointed on the penis directly before intercourse is meant to bewitch the woman. Its Ghee (fat delivery -ointment?), Datura metel seed (sedative,aphrodisiac and intoxicating) and Black pepper (irritant increasing bloodflow an i guess uptake).Not suprisingly it as claimed to ensure that the woman fell under your spell and

became yours. Kind of like flying ointment but with a human applicator in place of the broom!

Dont try at home kiddies

I cant comment on Cannabis probably due to the nature of the material and my lack of active use - I simply dont remember. From others i hear its great though - particularly as ive read several places, for mature people (40 +). I guess thats to be expected given its highly mutable effects in different contexts and the Ethnobotanical significance and association of it in Southern Asian cosmology.

Other herbs im aware of that influence this state are things like Yohimbe and Damiana,

although my own experiences with yohimbe were not so great (side effects).

I also last caught last weeks episode of ‘Queer as Folk’ on the ABC just as some guy gave another some GHB saying it was good for sex. Not having had this material i was looking for comment on it

Can anyone say what role the GABA system might play in heightened sexual states?

[spiraleyes]

fucking to the music-try trance

it'll 'blow' you away

slowly with mushrooms.

smoke yohimbee-'1/2'-one match head size.

works with no side effects,says'mys'-elf

when i started pushing the sex experience i came across margret anand's boook 'the art of sexual ecstasy'

good book-but sift it.

the human orgasm is the most powerful physiological and psychological natural moment in existance.

so many people are missing out on so much.

its amazing how far the sexual experience can go.

so far that we cant even comprehend what it feels like.

rhythm is deffinetly a powerful thing and breathing.

flickering candles are awesome-

but go the stroboscope

[Torsten]

QAF on ABC?? that must be the crappy american remake of the UK original (on cable).

I had heard of quite a few people in the gay scene using GHB, so Daniel and I decided to try it. Mind you this was more than 5 years ago and it was still legal then. It was by far the most boring night we have ever had. By the time we had taken enough to have any decent effect, Daniel passed out on it. Nothing ever happened. Problems with sideeffects meant we never tried it again.

Cocaine on the glans is good for those who are a little quick off the mark. It gives them more staying power due to the stimulation and also reduces the sensitivity. Kinda like taking viagra and lidocaine spray at the same time.

Can't say I ever accidentally got a chili in my undies, so won't comment on that

I find that LSD and shrooms prevent me from having sex with people I am not in love with. It's an honesty thing. In fact this is the way I used to work out whether I am in love or in lust with someone. I recommend to only do this with a partner where mutual trust and understanding exists, as there can be times when thigns go a little weird. Nothing worse than suddenly being distracted by visuals and stopping dead while she is 'just about there'

MDMA is great for sex if you can get it up. I've heard good reports about using viagra and MDMA together (careful or heart may explode ). In fact viagra seems a good way to get over a lot of the barriers put up by drugs that release adrenaline. Speed is probably the worst in terms of getting it up, but when it does happen it is also unlikely to ever go down again - even after climax.

Pot and sex??? Pot and anything ... I am hopeless.

I know that reducing sex down to neurotransmitters isn't going to be popular, but in effect it isn't much more than that. I have noticed that dopamine orientated individuals and those with low serotonin usually don't get fully satisfied by sex, or are ready to go again and again in no time at all. Blissed kinda people (high serotonin levels) usually have a not so petit mort and basically pass out blissfully for ages.

[spiraleyes]

Can't say I ever accidentally got a chili in my undies, so won't comment on that me either

as there can be times when thigns go a little weird.

can you tell us a little more about viagra effects?

I know that reducing sex down to neurotransmitters isn't going to be popular, but in effect it isn't much more than that. I have noticed that dopamine orientated individuals and those with low serotonin usually don't get fully satisfied by sex, or are ready to go again and again in no time at all. Blissed kinda people (high serotonin levels) usually have a not so petit mort and basically pass out blissfully for ages. [/b]

yes, have been noticing this in myself and other people.

[Torsten]

I also forgot to comment on amyl nitrite (please observe spelling - there is no such thing as amyl nitrate). I used to love it while on acid and various other durgs, but never quite got the hang of it in sex. When I ma out partying, it does kinda make me horny though after using much of it in a night, but that might be coincidence.

spiral... all my viagra experience is available here: http://www.shaman-australis.com/ubb/Archiv...3-5-000371.html

[coin]

i'm just gonna ramble here also..if i put any bad images in anyone's head, i'm quite happy to edit & issue the appropriate apologies ...the following is all fictional.. should also point out that i'm not all that experienced & have only been with one partner (who i'm still with)

i would guess the gaba system would relate to inhibitions - that is, sealing them all in an envelope & mailing them to tomorrow..reducing the urgency/anxiety of that adrenaline bugger

ie, kava inclines me toward being really snuggly & playful, down to earth & empathetic..easier to relax..mild serotonergic effect here...but you may end up being quite happy to play a little, hug & talk (not much increase in desire)

if i resume taking tyrosine after a break, the first effect i notice is increase in libido..lustful & sortof aggressive...this is very much enhanced by pot (but yeah, what isn't? hehe T i thought you weren't into green) ..no suprises there i guess (tobacco will negate this effect for me..but smoking tobacco can trigger little panic attacks in me..tho i'm prone to these)

while it's usually recommended that 5-htp be taken during the evening to assist sound sleep, i found it would delay sleep with distractions such as contented floaty feelings, reverie, spontaneous giggling, and the sort of parasympathetic relaxation initially required to get turned on...sex was a lot more relaxed and enjoyable, and less "goal oriented"..very blissful & a confirmation (one little lightbulb moment) that i'd let my neurostatus slide..i spose this intimacy is the arena in which i first started noticing mental improvements

i'm pretty "quick off the mark" ..i find no problem getting/maintaining an erection with speed & MDMA..i have much more control (than when i'm undermedicated) at a physiological level, but the altered mental state & perception/awareness of sensation can stick around for a couple days to learn from.

with MDMA, unfortunately my serotonin usually conks out before i peak and i get a sorta square-wave high/depressed vascillation..have tried pre/post loading, etc, but it just doesn't work out well..

my partner has no 'hair trigger' type problems but often can't get it up with MDMA after around 2 hours maybe..but enjoys the heightened sensation none the less..

same with speed cept he's much more aggresive and flaccid or not, i know my jaw is gonna hurt the next day.. fewer probs with MDA

shrooms..have been a strange one for us..he says that sometimes it feels as though his libido has been drained & he gets distracted/scattered..he'd rather drift and cuddle...he may be reconsidering his position after a recent experience..may be revisiting possibilities here..(i'm working on this one ) basically he found it more enjoyable to concentrate on just pleasuring me..

one general difficulty for me with shrooms, is staying concentrated/centered..there's that tendency to get really dreamy & tangential, train of associational thought..only sometimes minor distractions with sex tho

moderate-high doses for more out-there experience, but as stated, things can get weird (moreso if there's a sense of expectation, 'trying' to make it work) ...or low dose (& little pot) for a more workable scenario..i find the pot opens up that dopamine aspect and sorta lends a more relaxed mood - ie, easier to let go of thought loops & distractions/fixation on particular concepts, etc

acid, much easier to concentrate..adrenergic/dopaminergic component here...sex is fantastic..totally in control.. heaps of energy, more euphoria ..if i haven't had sex while on acid, i get incredibly horny coming down and the rest of the day (ie release seems crucial) ..fantastic little winter tonic

woodrose - amazingly blissful, ripply & wavy, ecstatic/euphoric & heaps of laughing (happiness, wonderment and sometimes disbelief hehe)..this one suprised me...'He' is kinda wary of HBWR after having some mildly scary constriction side effects (leg muscles locking up, jaw locking up so much that speaking was difficult)

i'd be especially interested to hear others accounts of this one

common phenomena between shrooms, acid, woodrose - a feeling that vital energy is centrapetal - spiralling inward to collect at my solar plexus..from here it concentrates, expands and sorta spills/splashes & [over]flows down to my dick

moreso with the lysergamides though.

limited experience with foxy - non-event..hehe seemed kinda..awkward/strained..things felt strange & rubbery..most likely determined by psych factors, but didnt bother persuing this as i found my feeling toward this one in general, was pretty neutral....ketamine & methadone also coming under this non-event category..former being a light bit of fun, latter being hmmm strange

yohimbe - i also had strong side effects..strangely, being a fairly anxious type of person though, i was able to view the discomfort quite impartially...had to take some time to ensure my heart didn't burst..i probably should have been more cautious to lay off the tyrosine altogether but i've never rushed (very short lived) that hard or been so ecstatic (it shouldve been scary)..'desired' effect was quite prominent but couldn't play much/take full advantage..couldn't sleep, didn't wanna eat, exhausted for a day or two afterwards..still i think i'm ready to repeat this

low level salvia/salvia return, have experienced some sort of mega-horny state here, and without opening a can o' worms passed it's 'best before', i'd often find an enveloped, light, spiritual & Maternal nurturance....there is one standout self-love experience

most deeply moving for me is concentration on heart connection & eye gazing, which just humbles & amazes me to no end..this is serotonergic..the impression is one of an infinite outpouring (flowing like oil) of loving kindness, compassion & blessings..sometimes those moments, my eyes get all teary (no, i don't have allergies)

exercise, yoga, relaxation, meditation & concentration-holding exercises work wonders for enhancing performance & perception

these extended states must do a nice job of bathing the brain and imbuing the cerebrospinal fluid with some lovely, revitalising neuropeptides

[This message has been edited by coin (edited 24 July 2002).]

[Auxin]

"there is no such thing as amyl nitrate"- Torsten

Actually there is such a thing, its a dangerous explosive (related to 'nitroglycerin' [both are low weight esters of nitric acid] but its not nearly as sensitive) And its very toxic.

"Can't say I ever accidentally got a chili in my undies, so won't comment on that"- Torsten

I have (accidentally)! It killed the mood worse then when I got sulfuric acid in my undies (very small amount [contaminated thumbprint], no permanent damage, but VERY annoying!!! The price chemists pay for wisdom I guess! Dont try it at home, or at work for that matter.)

[coin]

oh, i have chilli accidents pretty frequently..i never wear gloves...then you forget & rub your eyes, etc.. but i have to admit that i kinda like the watering eyes onion attack and the chilli sensation fizzles out quick enough (sambal oelek in the eyes does kinda make me wince tho), it does feel strange/uncomfortable under hot water with that indeterminate hot/cold feeling.. anyway, if you're going for the genitalia i'd recommend diluted clove or cinnamon oil

[Andrew]

Make sure you scrub well after chopping

habaneros.Soap and water still leave some residue that is active hours later.

[WarpedAstro]

I will have to agree with coin about woodrose's effects, it made me and my partner extremely mega-horny for some strange reasons, we were kind of silly,and very euphoric.

Earlier this year or late last year, I can't remember there was police raids to a lot of Brisbane's sex shops were under investagtion for selling X rated flicks, selling to underage, and amyl nitrate, and the police raids found a lot of places selling amyl nitrate, were actually not the orginal/real amyl nitrate, they were just cocktails of toxic and lethal chemcials, I tired once, and I strongly advise anyone to stay away from that shit, it made me very light headed, and burnt the fuck out of my nose and my nose was fucking blistering for a week....stay away from that shit....

[Guest reville]

Originally posted by coin:

if i resume taking tyrosine after a break, the first effect i notice is increase in libido..lustful & sortof aggressive...

That was the first thing i noticed.Unfortunately as you say,it only occurs after an extended break. Iget the winter blues (not severe but it has a damning effect on my libido for a few months a year)

acid, much easier to concentrate..adrenergic/dopaminergic component here...sex is fantastic..totally in control.. heaps of energy, more euphoria ..

hell yes! always just like you say. It combines the best of the euphoria and the drug has a strong stimulant effect too - so you get vigour,stamina and excruciating euphoria . like T said though - i couldnt imagine it with a stranger.

woodrose - amazingly blissful, ripply & wavy, ecstatic/euphoric. i'd be especially interested to hear others accounts of this one

i was really impressed with this one. the first half of the journey was very stimulating to libido and a nice body stone, then through its course it sort of moved in its effects from the base of the spine to the top ending in a very LSD like cerebral event. never used it with sex in mind but i remember thinking that it would have been great

yohimbe - i also had strong side effects..

dizziness, nausea, urethral irritation.had it with chocolate though.Bad idea?

Another time with excercise - bad idea!!!heart jumping out of chest world spinning - i really thought i was going to die.obviously didnt

Also bad with fungi - depression irritability and loss of effect from the fungi

low level salvia/

i'd often find an enveloped, light, spiritual & Maternal nurturance....

..the impression is one of an infinite outpouring (flowing like oil) of loving kindness, compassion & blessings..

Thats the best description of the experience i had chewing quids of rehydrated leaves (from SAB when it was legal).It was sensually sexual at the deepest level - like being born, perhaps enhanced by taking a warm shower or bath as i did.

[Guest si]

In a dream I once had, myself and my partner had an abundance of DMT and decided we were going to perform a little experiment.

To cut a long story short, injestion of DMT (for me) just prior to an orgasm was a complete anti climax....as soon as I injested the said substance I was left 'hanging in thin air'....literally. No matter how many times we tried this I was not able to "push" through it.

My partner on the other hand was ABSOLUTELY BLOWN AWAY !

She claimed (and still does) that the 'rush' achieved during her orgasm was sooo unbelievably beyond anything that she had ever thought existed (verbatim).

Now, while I have certain talents, I cannot/will not take ANY credit for her experience (if you replaced me with a battery operated utensil, i'm guessing you'd have 'similar' effects). Unfortunately, only woman seem able to experience these types of emotions while effected by DMT.

I shall continue, however, with my pursuit, but if any of you guys out there have been successful in this endeavour please let me know ASAP.

psytao

[Torsten]

Originally posted by coin:

if i resume taking tyrosine after a break, the first effect i notice is increase in libido.

Oh yeah! It gets me horny as hell. I usually take some tryptophan that night to snap me out of it.

hehe T i thought you weren't into green

I'm not. I smoked casually for a few years and really heavily for a 6 months, but then got bored with it. My usual reaction to pot in any form is to pass out. Sex would be the furthest from my mind.

know my jaw is gonna hurt the next day..

LOL.

if i haven't had sex while on acid, i get incredibly horny coming down and the rest of the day (ie release seems crucial)

funny, I know a few people like that. Never could understand that myself.

[coin]

Oh yeah! It gets me horny as hell.

ahh, hence the quest for l-dopa (?)

[Torsten]

hadn't actually thought of that. but yeah, why not

[Guest reville]

Yeah id like to see if the aphrodisiac properties of HBWR (root of course as in Ayurveda)are enhanced with ground Mucuna beans.

[gomaos]

Good to see you back here. wrote:

...back when my dad could get the bitces, whic was a long time ago...

I feel a bit like that. I've had long relationships and know exactly what rev is talking about.

When I broke up i found that I was addicted to physical love, and I definitely mean not just plain sex and orgasm, but the "whole" thing, and I would go to any lenght to get it back.

My last relationsip however was a total turnoff, and i was very happy to be "free' again, still am.

However I keep remembering what it used to be like, and how I could never imagine spending my life sleeping in a bed alone at night.

I'm not desperate because I'm too happy to be free again.

But I know it's natural to be in a relationship, and healthy.

I don't want bitches, just one.

And the right one.

One with the same wavelenght.

And the relationship must be free of pressure and things you HAVE TO DO.

in other words, open.

And I won't actively pursue it.

But when it comes, I'm ready.

[This message has been edited by Torsten (edited 11 September 2002).]

[gomaos]

Oh yeah and to CS:

I hate R rated pornos

they gotta be X rated

and yeah I hate most pornos

I got only one I like

had that for 5 years

and

Dragon C(haha)

is far to erratic when meditating

all these flashes and aggressive voices

and destruction is everywhere

in fact i hate most cartoons

except futurama and king of the hill (like that one a bit, gives me insight into the life of rednecks, which otherwise I find hard to imagine)

and son of a beach (oh sorry ain't a cartoon)

and the simpsons still but I'm getting bored because I've seen them too many times,

and futurama (oh sorry had that already)

south park is still ok most the time...

blablabla...

[John_Barleycorn]

Well call me old-fashioned, but I have come to the conclusion that it is difficult to beat a combination of speed and alcohol.

Applied liberally to the female, of course

(In other words, I would agree with the point that the genders probably respond differently. Or maybe is it that highly-sexed women are comparatively rare)?

[waterdragon]

good to see you finally getting it all off your chest cosmical shazam. the forums have been a little sane and geared towards education whilst you've been finding yourself. wonderful to see you haven't lost it.