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Came across a comment by a Victorian based commercial scale cactus grower on FB (01/07/2025), where he stated that he was selling all his Peyote stock and would not be planting seeds again because he expects that peyote would soon be made illegal in Australia. I have always worked under the believe that under federal law peyote and san pedro are illegal but because of how drug laws are implementation at state levels, states like Victoria allow growth and sale, just no consumption. Are there changes in the wind, when it comes to law, that I am not aware of?

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I had a spiritual awakening from a website I found online. It definitely has some conducive value.

I see so much that SAB could be again, and wish that was more active. I fear that it will one day be totally lost when Torsten passes or it is web archived. Since it runs at a loss, and has little community engagement. Social media has become one of humanities greatest folly being the root cause of so many contagions that all society faces today, from anti-faxxers, anti-science, maga trumpers, anti-culture, and anti-expertise, climate change deniers, hatred, bigotry, culture wars, and tribalism just for a start. I honestly have come to question the value of the internet itself. Their is nothing it has really honestly improved. Even the few things like instant real time weather reports disconnects us from going outside to look at the weather, and talking to people about what might happen with the weather. Through Maps people with instant access to mapping technology have lost the possibility of getting lost and having an adventure, going of the beaten track and meeting new people and seeing new places. Because the map show the fastest convenient way but not necessarily the best way. We have lost to much.

immanuel has stated that he has Schizophrenia his posts are difficult to understand or follow.

I don't get it

http://flockandherd.net.au/sheep/reader/phalaris-staggers-II.html ^ Some interesting info here. The effect on livestock appears to be seasonal (could indicate alkaloid levels?): https://agriculture.vic.gov.au/support-and-resources/newsletters/sheep-notes-newsletter/autumn-2021/perennial-ryegrass-staggers-and-phalaris-staggers. I've also read that new growth, immediately following rain in an otherwise dry season, poses the greatest risk of Phalaris poisoning. https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69669 ^ Another good page. Looks like Phalaris is sold as a livestock crop to Oz farmers, without much regard for native wildlife. Risk to cattle and sheep is perceived as minimal: https://naracoorteseeds.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Australis-Australian-Phalaris.pdf And this page names a couple of "low alkaloid" Phalaris strains: https://npvets.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Phalaris-Staggers.pdf (without indicating which tryptamine alkaloid is responsible for Phalaris poisoning). I've heard rumour of a low-gramine Phalaris aquatica cultivar, for human consumption.

Tried using AI search function for first time - with the question "why is cobalt used for gramine toxicity" and AI gave me this answer For what it worth.

Good question. I'd assumed gramine (not DMT) to be the toxic alkaloid, as gramine can be lethal in mammals. I'm more intrigued by the use of cobalt to counteract its effects?

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The article refers to "toxins" - I can assume they mean DMT - So my question is do kangaroos lack a MAOI's to denature the DMT? Or do they simple eat so much that they overload their systems capacity to denature the DMT. I would guess that it the latter. And if its DMT that's the toxin, then if they where given palliative care the kangaroos would recover just like any overdose patient. Since it seems that the "toxin" does not kill them just makes them easier to hunt and kill. The word "TOXIN" is banded around like a boggy man, a non-descriptive threat full of sound and fury but signifying nothing.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/the-silent-roadside-threat-thats-killing-our-kangaroos-a-shocking-way-to-die-065733742.html Cobalt combats toxicity?

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For the tithe!

People like that sucked for sure. Medical cannabis will hopefully make that crappy PGR bikie bud and its dealers fade into obscurity. I dunno if those ppl would consider themselves or be considered part of the ethno / plant medicine community though

I relate toxic masculinity more to hydroponic black-market weed syndicates -- bogan wannabe mobsters. The blokes I knew in that scene aggressively disrespect plants, women, ecology, and anything that resembles a "woke" minority. It's scary. Boozy environments can also be pretty toxic, if you expand your definition of drugs/plants. Social media has only amplified general ignorance, tragically. That said, I can think of at least one high-profile male entrepreneur in the Oz psychedelics space who probably fits the bill.

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Yeah this forum is super slow compared to 15 or so years ago. I keep coming back because of how awesome and inspiring it was when I was younger.

Certainly Social Media is way worse then here - however regrettable it seems that all the action is on social media. There are definitely only 5 - 10 regular contributors here which makes it a little slow. But its a trade off. Social media bring out the worst in people and shit tend to rise to the top. I have meet some drug bros IRL and they did not impress me at all. I was tempted to go to formal psychedelic events however I really am not keen to be abused and berated by some 25 year old strung out of what ever and is definitely not the kind of space I would bring a female partner. The more I experience and understand about psychedelics the more I think that most people should stay the f#ck away from them. As a culture we are to immature to handle them. Certainly their are certain types of martial arts that attracts the aggressive persona, the whole kick boxing, MMA, BJJ crowd trade in the same toxic masculinity. However in the Aikido, Kendo, Koryu community the vibe is very different. I am old enough to know the interest before social media and it was way better when people where part of smaller dedicated communities. I belong to a big woodworking forum and 20 years ago it was pumping today is mostly a small sowing circle of old blokes. However I was ready a NyTimes article about online dating, and how all dating platforms are running at huge losses and many being hounded by creditors. This is because people have come to realize that virtual anything is never as good as the real thing. I can only hope that this realization spreads and we see the demise of social media.

The people I've met and interacted with IRL who share an interest in plants and ethnobotany were, in aggregate, generous and 'good' people by my standards. I have definitely met a minority of people who I found selfish or disagreeable. There's no obligation to interact with them. My experience in martial arts is that there are some bad-natured people in the mix despite a lot of good ones. Same same but different. If you are judging the ethnobotany community off Facebook posts I think you will form a biased and negative opinion. I think SAB Facebook and even subreddits for psychoactive plants are fairly toxic. People attack and post caustic comments on impressive acheivements like well-designed hydro systems, flowering plants, tissue cultures, plant research etc. etc.

Interesting topic, and completely at odds with everyone I've spoken through on this forum. Maybe I've just been lucky. I thought most of the drug bros we're on FB anyway.

My apologies if the following post offends. I have gotten on in years and have experienced more than my fair share of subcultures and hobbies. Most of these tended to be male-dominated subcultures and hobbies. These have included woodworkers, both high end designer-makers and hobbyist, martial arts, where I have trained with police and active-duty military personnel, and Hindu and Buddhist meditation groups over the years. Woodworkers are 99.5% lovely people, keen to share knowledge and skills and to advance the craft; a touch introverted is the worst you could say about them. Martial artists tend to be polite, considerate, and well-mannered, even considering a few of them have been in active combat deployments. Never have I experienced aggression from people who are professional killers. The same can be said for the meditation groups; for the most part, they are lovely people, sometimes a little ideological, but all good. I have never encountered hyper-aggressive behavior until I came in contact with the plant drug bro culture. My encounters with the drug bro plant culture have been rather disappointing. Very often, they are selfish men, always willing to take, with a thought process that is very much "how much can I get out of this sucker," and not wanting to ever give anything back. A few I have met really do not care about plants, ethnobotany, or the culture; they just see plants as a semi-legal means to get fucked up. There is also a strong hyper-masculine aggressive streak, this desire to prove to others that they are right at all costs, that runs through this drug bro culture. In PM discussion a member commented to me that many of the most fucked-up people are plant people, and my experience to date has confirmed this. It seems to me that many of these drug bros never learned anything from their plant teachers about connection, compassion, love, community, or empathy. I have come to believe that psychedelics do not make you a better person; they just manifest whatever your base personality is that you started with. A good person will become a saint. But an asshole will just become a bigger asshole, and most people seem to start out as assholes. It could also be that these people are engaged in illicit activities and hide behind their warrior keyboards and have never developed basic human courtesy. Its no wonder that in this space there are so few woman when toxic masculinity is the only thing on the cultural menu. The funny thing is that I have known three men who have killed other men in combat; they were never aggressive, nor were they ever rude. I reason that if you have killed and you have the means to kill people, there is no need to bluster and try to intimidate others. However, if you are strung out on drugs, with no true human connections, you might feel the need to make a feeble attempt to intimidate a stranger online. Now on here SAB there are three or four genuine nice guys. I sense that are older, and I have figured that they have fought their demons which have tempered them. I have however seen aggression from some members towards others, however nothing that compares to the larger social media spaces. My interest was first in the plants, then spiritual matters secondarily. I have never had any inclination to use plants in a recreational manner. Maybe I am not a true bro, too weak to be a real man or maybe I am just to old. I have come to feel that this plant space is not a healthy space, maybe I should just stick to hanging out with killers and murders they are far more pleasant folks.