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I wasn't really looking for psychedelic roots of Judaism or Christianity in this thread to be honest. I've read a lot about that and yeah it makes sense, but that's not what I'm trying to figure out here. 

I guess I'm trying to understand the logic behind some of these stories and the whole thing maybe. I mean we are told as christians to strive to be like God, yet the entire old testament is just page after page of examples of God behaving like a murderous psychopath. 

Why did God need to create the world anyway? Was he bored? Needed some light entertainment? Or just to feel Superior to someone? 

How do the angels or seraphim fit into the picture? 

 

 

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There is God, unloved, and not integrated, but that is still God.

Also, I am still trying to finish reading it so I should have no opinion actually :)

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Relevant lol:

 

 

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On 29/09/2019 at 5:55 AM, toby said:

Fear, guilt, shame are products manufactured by a lack of love. I don't know that this is necessarily a Bible problem.

 

Words and understanding may not be the best tools for working on wounded spirit or feelings. 

 

The Bible says that God is love, though so maybe he's on the right track.

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On 26/10/2019 at 10:47 PM, Cimi said:

 

The Bible says that God is love, though so maybe he's on the right track.

That's great. Thanks for your opinion about the track I'm on

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Fellow Catholic Indoctrination survivor. I'm from a very religious eastern European family one off the Hardcore eastern bloc countries sure it isn't a huge secret. My grandma's dream was i become a Priest. But pederasty and molesting kids aren't any of my interests. :wacko:

all jokes aside we prayed decates of the rosary daily knelt in front of the 'virgin' mary and as religious nut s we also did the bonus prayer like Sait Michael the archangel and the blessed virgin. Church every Sunday as well as all the bonus days like ash wed, all saints etc

i'm no scholar i have read the bible 6 or 7times have many  smart friends who love to discuss religion aswell as being rather curious about the nature of divinity, creation vs evolution, church history, the role of religion in pacify or manipulating the masses.

 

I'm now more convinced that we are the creation of advance aliens then made by some invisible spirit in 7days.

What the fuck am i smoking you probably ask.

 

OK lets start with the major old testament stories which all have analogs in Sumerian civilization from for our creation from the clay aswell as adam n eve the serpent to Noah's and the ark,Sodom and Gomorrah,  Sumerian believed they were created by living gods (yes plural) these same gods are the gods of the Babylonian, the Assiryian, the Greek, the Roman and i believe the Egyptian. Even the vikings probably the Aztec and others. Every lightning god, water god, serpent god etc come from these Sumerian as best we can tell. Sumerian believe there living gods that walked as you or i among them, made them as slave labour to replace rebelling what we will call lower eschalon Annunaki who grew tired of manual labor on this distant colony outpost. When the gods arrived there were three the father and two son. Enki and Enlil they first settled the Tigris river delta in search of gold. while the father in the heaven remained up above. they were hear long before us. Enki was given the southern hemisphere sometimes mistranslated later to be the underworld of Hades etc and domain over the water, form this point he's also know as Ea. Enlil is give domain over the northern hemisphere and the air and lightning.

 

These gods seem just like us with all our moral and ethic eccentricities, they loved and fought were kind and cruel, married there half sister, killed and raped. Just they are always depicted as giant's next to man.(the angels from the bibles and the rebellion after we are created then beacame more then intead same as the giants that bred with humans).

After the worker almost rebelled they begged Enlil for some tool to be made to grant them respite. So Enki and A Female god are tasked with doing this, first the tried to create a worker in the mold of the Minotaur or the sphinx but while strong they were not smart enough to work unaided. So eventually they start on us, taking a earth primate and melding there dna into it, we were created in there image out of mud.  After more failure Sumerian adam adapu is made as well a sumerian eve. Smart enough to slave not smart enough to truely concieve of self and reason.   Then one day Enki also known as the serpent god because they were a sign of knowledge and wisdom. Told eve to eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge, this gave us true understanding of being like our gods, Enki did this against the other  gods which a reoccurring them that our "creator" loved his work more then just as slave labour tools to mine.

Also Sumerian same all there knowledge was gift by these goods from writing cuneiform on clay to making beer, astronomy metallurgy, maths ,astrology,bicameral congress even there 12based number system(maybe it is 60 i forget)  Even the famous Hammurabi's Code of Laws was a gift to Hammurabi.

Eventual the ruling gods of which there were always 12, with 12 lesser gods same as most if not all the subsequent religions had as well never 11 or 13 when one was lost another took this place. This reoccurring sacred number of 12 or multiples of 12 is very present from there belief the gods are from a 12th planet in the system, 12 signs of the zodiac, 12 months in the year. 12tribes of isreal, human's being limited to a life span of 120yrs,  there are more but this of the top of my head

 

This must seems pretty outlandish so remember this is all been interpreted by stone age/bronze age man so they record this advance tech to the best of there ability. These living gods are depicted with wings that strap on to them or with dolphins like pilots and admirals are to this day. They can go at will to the heaven up to god in heaven enki and enlil father, they can travel great distance. Same people who turned Sodom and Gemorrah to salt. had weapons of great destructive power, could summon the element the commanded. they fought jealously among themselves as for the little bags they are often depicted with as a source of knowledge.  Much more happens like the tower of babel etc but eventually the other gods realize an impending flooding catastrophe is imminent and decided to leave us for the heavens to be wiped. Enlil asked enki were his loyalty lies and is made to promise not to warn his creations of the disaster. Enki keeps his promise but does tell zasudra summerian noah  to build a boat when asked why Enki spoke no more. The flood comes wipes the earth clean of us besides noah who drift for 6days until sending abird and landing on mt arrarat. Enlil is enraged  but Enki placates him and noah is sent to the heaven where the father lives and is create eternal life.

 

Much of this comes from The book the 12th planet by Zechariah sitchin and some of his interpretation are debated. Even if the debated portion are excluded there is too much smoke one assume there could be a fire. But they are from clay tablet and stone steele from the Babylonian and Sumerians. It's probably not a coincidence that Abraham the father of 3 religions lived in Babylon.   Scientist today still are looking for this planet x that Neptune and Pluto's orbit suggest is out there. the Sumerians believed every 3600yrs or a shar. The home of the gods is near earth it is the seed of life on our plant the cause of asteroid belt the collision with what they call tiamat spawn the earth and moon. Putting us on a delayed evolutionary path then the gods.

The gods never return one day, then we went from worker to worshiper of there 'Godhood' more so as time goes on and the story is added to and changed.  We diefy these Technological people.  Eventually Christian had the whole trinity which i think represent The Father and two sons. My god up in heaven literally up in heaven.

 

More thing are changed to suit the people of the time, eve is vilified for excepting Enki's apple of knowledge.

 

Like out the traditional genesis story  all the way to a virgin women is impregnated an angel. Births the king of kings to be forsaken and crucified to forgive us of our sins.

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Advance beings genetically engineered us as workers, then got a bit attached to there creation gave us true consciousness and reason and saved us when were no longer useful to the rest.

Both are outlandish except one is actual something that is possible for us to do in 50-100 yrs with further advanced technology. The quote "Sufficiently Advance technology is indistinguishable from Magic" springs to mind.

 

Sorry for the rambling post i don't touch on many things from the Sumerian Creation Story or The Epic of Gilgamesh.

 

 

 

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Stories are a map of those who went before. Experience is the planting of lamp posts along a path. People mistake the map for the purpose. A map is the lay of the land, not a vector. 

Where do we want to go?

That is the question most commonly asked. But maybe we should just be asking how to get there, seeing as the ending is inevitable, right? 

Sorry if this is cryptic, just laying down thoughts as they occur in a seemingly important moment.

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Detours
Only by taking detours can we exist. If everyone took the shortest route only one person would arrive.
There are an infinite number of detours from point of departure to destination, but only one shortest way. Culture consists in detours - finding and cultivating them, describing and recommending them, revaluing and bestowing them. Culture therefore seems inadequately rational, because strictly speaking only the shortest route receives reason's seal of approval. Everything right and left along the way is superfluous and can justify its existence only with difficulty. It is, however, the detours that give culture the function of humanizing life. In the strictness of its exclusions, the supposed "art of life" that takes the shortest routes is barbarism.
The full use of the world is only a side benefit of the culture of detours. Indeed, it does not suffice that an act of creation could have produced the world; only then would it contain more than is necessary for merely maintaining being. If the world displays the superfluous, then the world's meaning corresponds to taking the paths of the superfluous: detouring all the way through it.
If detours are taken, not everyone experiences everything. But in exchange, everyone doesn't experience the same thing, as would be the case when taking the shortest route. The other way around: if letting everyone take detours succeeds, everything has the prospect of being experienced. The world gains meaning through the detour of culture in it. Or, expressed somewhat more reverently, the world receives confirmation of its meaning in the same way that the many receive confirmation that they are not just a few or, worse still, only one.
It is detours that lend intersubjectivity its significance beyond the constitution of theoretical objectivity. In principle, everyone has something in pectore [in the breast] for everyone else, which only he can give away and which allows him to lay claim to what the other person, for his part, has taken ad notam [notice of] along the way. For what other reason, beyond all theoretical objectifications, are only the unique aspects of individuals worth knowing for us? In addition to memoirs and biographies, even the invented lives in epic literature are, from a topographical perspective, utilizations of factually unutilized or as such undescribed detours.
In this system for mitigating barbarism called culture, there are naturally also disadvantages. They consist in every path as a detour being the result of an "opinion" or of an affinity to such an opinion. The irreconcilability of the pluralism of worldviews is a risk, but a sufficiently reasonable one.
Hans Blumeneberg, Care crosses the river, "Detours"
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The cartographer is the instrument of power as the author of that order, reducing reality to only two conditions: the map and oblivion. The cartographer’s truth crystallizes the message that Google and all surveillance capitalists must impress upon all humans: if you are not on our map, you do not exist.

 

From The Age of Surveillance Capitalism,

Seemed somewhat related to this thread

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