Koehres seeds

[Philocacti]

I would like others who bought seeds from Koehres to share their specimens as well, so others would expect what they'll grow when getting seeds from Koehres

All in all, I'm pleased with dealing with this company

T. pachanoi

Edited May 24, 2014 by Philocacti

[Philocacti]

T. macrogonus.......out of 100 seeds only 1 germinated

T. peruvianus........ Their peruvianus seeds are cuzscoensis, at least IME

T. pasacana

T. chilensis

T. terscheckii

Edited May 24, 2014 by Philocacti

[kapitän kamasutra]

From their pachanoi seed

The tall one Köhres pachanoi as well

This one from their peruvianus

from the peruvianus seeds I thougt, but seeing you got similar from the pachanoi maybe I misslabled

This one is more hungry for nitrogen than the rest of the Trichos I have. Always have this lime colour, but after hitting it with fert last week its getting a normal green.

Edited May 24, 2014 by kapitän kamasutra

[Philocacti]

Maybe you didn't mislabel, to my untrained eye your peruvianus and your pachanoi pachanois are very similar.

I've always thought that their pachanois are peruvianus but probably they've been openly pollinated or something.

At least you peruvianus seeds are not cuzscoensis, like mine, but the truth is I like these cuzscoensis from them..... They make good grafting stock. I know of another nook member who peruvianus seeds from them turned out cuzscoensis as well. So maybe they changed their stock or something

[kapitän kamasutra]

Actually we had quiete a few very cuzco-style plants from the perus, too. I keept some of the not so obvious ones. I do see some cuzco influence in this 'peru' of mine. Open pollination or a knitze mixed bag was my idea, too.

Edited May 24, 2014 by kapitän kamasutra

[Berengar]

Beautiful plants Philocacti!

T. macrogonus.......out of 100 seeds only 1 germinated

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This definitely doesn't look to me like the kind we call macrogonus today, Much closer to the tacaquirensis complex IMO, or a hybrid.

I probably have the same plant growing, got it in a trade a few years ago as T. macrogonus, and it more than likely came from Koehres as well. It is grafted onto Opuntia now, and I'm following it's progress with great interest. I was suspecting it to be something like tacaquirensis because of the growth habit, much different than peruvianus group, the spines are different, areoles are different, skin is rougher etc. Your plant confirms my suspicions. But they are beautiful, I hope mine grows up looking like yours!

Edited May 24, 2014 by Tangich

[Evil Genius]

Köhres oftenly don´t see the plants that their seed comes from and are basically dependant on the Knowledge of their Suppliers. And you can imagine that there are not so many collectors with in-depth knowledge about the differences between Peruvians and Cuzcoensis. Really, you could get everything.

Köhres has some great batches and some not so good Ones. Remember having had some seed with hideous germination rates, but i also had some good Ones.

[kapitän kamasutra]

This one is my last remaining from their 'macrogonus'.

I had ok germination with my batch. I also had 'T. glaucus' wich germed good and looked like cool peru-types, but I killed them by neglecting over winter...

I had no luck with germinating 'T. fulvianus', and very high germination with 'T. bridgesii'.

Edited May 24, 2014 by kapitän kamasutra

[Hellonasty]

I personally don't like Köhres and this is not due to how the business is run, it is run quite well and they are for the most part honest in their dealings. However, I have had many seeds that are either mislabeled or just completely different to what the label says. This is true for Trichocereus, Ariocarpus and Astrophytum, I will not buy from them again.

HN

[M S Smith]

Here's a T. macrogonus I grew from Koehres seed. I love it, but see it as fully synonymous with T. peruvianus.

~Michael~

Edited May 24, 2014 by M S Smith

[hostilis]

T. macrogronus

L. alberto-vojtechii loc. zacatecas

L. alberto-vojtechii loc. coahuila

[Philocacti]

Beautiful plants Philocacti!

This definitely doesn't look to me like the kind we call macrogonus today, Much closer to the tacaquirensis complex IMO, or a hybrid.

I probably have the same plant growing, got it in a trade a few years ago as T. macrogonus, and it more than likely came from Koehres as well. It is grafted onto Opuntia now, and I'm following it's progress with great interest. I was suspecting it to be something like tacaquirensis because of the growth habit, much different than peruvianus group, the spines are different, areoles are different, skin is rougher etc. Your plant confirms my suspicions. But they are beautiful, I hope mine grows up looking like yours!

In all honesty I don't understand this tacaquirensis complex thing, I always thought they had these huge curved spines, which I don't quite see in my macro. Would like to see a pic of yours for sure to see what to expect from mine ;)

The reason I have much respect for this company is in my first order 5 packs of seeds didn't germinate or had very poor germination rates. So after a year of my order, I emailed them just to inform them and they offered me to get whatever seeds I want for the price of these 5 packs of seeds. I'm kind of pleased with the pachanois as they're very variable so it's interesting to watch them grow.

To my untrained eye, Michael's macro looks similar to a couple of the pachanoi I got. We'll see as they grow though.

[BillyThKid]

I got seeds from them last year in august, i planted 100 of their trichocereus peruvanus seeds in the same manner i planted other trichocereus and ariocarpus seeds. from other venders i got 60-80% germination rate with seeds.

With koehres seeds i planted 80 of the T. peruvanus seedlings and only 16 came up. that is only a 20% germination rate. Ontop of that they have grown slower than my ariocarpus seedlings, which is saying something. They are about the size of my san pedro seedlings when they were 4 months old.

They are under the same light, same soil, same everything as all my plants that were growing wild during their winter indoors under artificial light and natural window light.

I dont understand why they are growing so slow, but i plan to transplant them into a smaller pot so they are closer together and help protect each oher, plus i will put some different soil in with less lime stone and see if that helps.

Edited May 25, 2014 by BillyThKid

[Philocacti]

Maybe their supplier sent them seeds of one of the slow growing trichocereus as peruvianus? Like EG suggested that their seed collectors aren't that knowledgable

Why don't you graft a couple to pereskiopsis and see how they turn out?

[BillyThKid]

Maybe their supplier sent them seeds of one of the slow growing trichocereus as peruvianus? Like EG suggested that their seed collectors aren't that knowledgable

Why don't you graft a couple to pereskiopsis and see how they turn out?

Getting around to that, i have been working on propagating my pereskiopsis to get my numbers up after grafting some ariocarpus and aztekium.

I will graft it soon, the issue is grafted plants do not look the same as their root grown brothers. the spines will be longer and the over all look will be changed so its hard to guess what it is still.

Im still going to graft a few.

Supposed San Pedro grafted to pereskiopsis

Edited May 25, 2014 by BillyThKid

[Evil Genius]

Philo, the two macros don't look like trichocereus to me. Will look later. chinese food with granny! ;)

Can you post better pics? Coul be tricho but look kinda untypical.

Edited May 25, 2014 by Evil Genius

[hostilis]

Here's a T. terscheckii from their stock.

[slice]

I made a few posts with pics on this topic. I bought Their Peruvianus, Macrogonus, Bridge an Pachanois, only Bridges and Macros are what they say to be...

Pachs=Peruvs

Peruvs=Cusco

Edited May 25, 2014 by slice

[kapitän kamasutra]

Philo, the two macros don't look like trichocereus to me. Will look later. chinese food with granny! ;)

Can you post better pics? Coul be tricho but look kinda untypical.

It does look quiet Tricho-resque to me. On the transition from juvenile spine to more adult looking, hefty spined largish areole peruvianoid something would be my ID...

[Philocacti]

Philo, the two macros don't look like trichocereus to me. Will look later. chinese food with granny! ;)

Can you post better pics? Coul be tricho but look kinda untypical.

Bon appetite

Both macro pics are of the same plant. I have another macro but it's the same clone ;)

I'll take more pics tomorrow.

So why are you doubting it's trichocereus?

[Berengar]

Hey Philocacti, here's my 'T. macrogonus'. It's still too young to tell what it is, but it definitely doesn't seem like a 'normal' peruvianoid macrogonus to me. I'm not too worried about putting a label on it, it has potential to become an amazing looking plant if it continues like this.

[Philocacti]

Hey Tangich, nice graft, but I don't see how yours looks like the one I have....the spine formation is different and the spine color too

After years of reading M S Smith, Archaea (I miss that guy) and K Trout.... I really see macrogonus as an extra name for a maybe a variant.

Here are more pics for you EG.....I hope they are better than the ones before

[Evil Genius]

Hi Philo, there are not so many Trichos with this kind of grayish Spination and this kind of spine growth. Could be related to Cuzco if it´s actually a Tricho. But it´s a weird Cactus being grown from of a Macro Bag. Looks a bit similar to what you suspect to be Cuzcoensis too.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Evil Genius

[Berengar]

Not really saying they look the same, but that they both came from Koehres 'T. macrogonus' seed, and don't look like a variant of T. peruvianus like common 'macrogonus' clones.

My plant is still very young, but I do see similarities to yours in new growth. Large, furry areoles, spine position, colour of new spines, skin colour.

[Evil Genius]

Hi Philo, didn´t see your post before posting. But yeah, that´s definitely a Tricho. Interesting Plant!