Pat Uri

Even me Phaemon's Dog can assure you B.caapi are real stimulated by cutting back in winter. Pat Uri's is a jungle with many new root crowns where the vine has trailed on the ground, taken root and shot up. Didn't know better you'd say it was many individual trees planted 5m away from eachother. The main's thicker than your leg. Roots like arms. Every winter it is cut back and everything that snaps away in your fingers removed. He's trained it into a great sheltered party area over a rock apache sweat lodge we got built under it. You can feel the power when you camp under it. Pruning stimulates flowering to. Yet a mate of his planted same time (ten years ago), never cut his back and has only got a mass of spaghetti with nothing thicker than your finger. The smoke off all the pruned off spaghetti stems and leaves - masses - look amazing under blacklights. Don't worry at all - "where the spirit is strong it will grow". Worth a mention = in traditional aboriginal culture your mother-in-law the most taboo person, distanced from and avoided as much as possible. She is never talked to, looked at and her name never used - she's called "that other old woman" or "old woman belonging to my missus*" if referred to at all. You never speak of her to anyone, not even to her own daughter. If she visits her daughter you leave well before and don't come back until she is gone. You are never invited to meeting she might attend - even her or wife's funeral. But this is men's business, I cannot speak woman's business...in other words she can say what she likes about you, and does, but it must never be repeated to you. ...Divorce is unknown amongst traditional aboriginals... (*It sounds better in the actual Kreole dialect of aboriginal/English - "Gin'b'longa'missus" - later postnote edit)

Dog back, saw above didn"t mention that with Breath Alcohol Analysis - which Drug Swabbing is the poor cousin and cross culture between the two happens - the partition is tween alcohol in blood and air in lungs. Air you breathe in got no alcohol, so some moves from high concentration in blood into the air of the lungs and comes out in the expired breath since alcohol has high vapour pressure at the body temperature- the partition at the lungs themselves air/blood interface - it doesn't just have to be only between liquids. So because body temp is constant, blood at constant pH and saltiness and air pressure close constant - the amount of alcohol in the expired breath is true indication of how much in the blood. Now that is fair, understandable, no probs. (I hear at high altitudes you get false higher than true reading) Public think Drug Swab just as fair - and it ain't, no way - too many variables. Watching that RID show and police pull over a P plater who had stayed sober to drive his four blind drunk mates home. When the police breatho'd him he had say 0.002% breath alcohol. You could see his horror and honesty in swearing he had not touched a drop. Now most cops are fair - lets face it - a more than few, have got the power trip and lost it to the Stanford Prison syndrome. Some people act like real, well, dogs abusing and disrespecting the cops and act up being psycho arseholes - do that and how do you think they'll treat you? (These are the same dogs that swear at the judge but try to reduce their punishment by crying it was the drugs that made them do it, had to feed their addiction wanting special treatment, leniency and sympathy like pussies. Yet you were listening to them outside court and they are bragging about being real, hard gangsters, hooking up deals on their mobiles, ordering imaginary hits and big noteing themselves for all to hear - hypocrite scum! - they give all of us, and the herb, a bad name .) The Senior cop, and they see straight through things, told this fella calm down, you've been in a closed car for last hour beathing in all your drunken mates stinking, alcohol-laden fumes and not fresh air. Again this is where the partition was broken, and he was actually taking in alcohol traces from the air he was breathing. They'd wait 20 minutes while he breathed fresh air and do the test again. Second test he passed 0.0000 and much relieved he was on his way - don't think his mates even woke up! Decent of the copper, but like I said he had a lot of experience and probably done a thousand tests before and heard a thousand stories before and knew the lad had done the right thing and would be ok. Fraid to say - drug testing roadside or on work sites is still in its infancy and got a lot of refining to do - not like BAC. My beef ain't with the drug testing idea itself, well not in this thread anyway. I think little of stoner pulling ten cones and a couple of beers for breakfast and then driving their kids to school - most uncool - and any righteous rastaman would agree that is shameful abuse, not responsible use. My POV, its to do with why the inadequacies of testing were, well, suppressed from the public, bias propaganda is being spread supporting the tests, when good people are being persecuted and made to hurt for a habit they are controlling responsibly that statistically is safer than speeding or fatigue driving and especially drink driving, let alone a reckless fool who's tripping their guts off on something undetectable, yet thinks its ok to drive. Its a scandal. Lets keep it real. My privilege to have you kindly read my words, good people, Phaemon'sDog hoping he's making the clan proud.

Black DMT soap = what a wonderful idea. I take it you are thinking about how DMT is easier to come by than Indole to use as a perfume base to take away that sicky, cattle smell some soaps can have. Rose and jasmine as mid and top notes. Yep! and soaps have always be used as a way of taking up plant extracts = insecticidal nicotine soap is one of the most effective ways to use it on plants. Certainly caffeine soap has been becoming commercially successful. Not to mention soaps are legal GHB possession. But an idea I always thought would appeal to the macho alpha male market, you know the ones who think toiletries are for "girls" but sneak a little conditioner on the sly, use mum's deodorant, etc. by casting black soap in the shape of knuckle dusters. Legal, because they are useless as knuckle dusters, just a novelty, but still give that bad boy tuff guy rebel feel...pathetic...what ya reckon? If you can use the idea, I'll give to you for a beer = XXXX bitter of course because I'm such a man. Solid bro! PhaemonsDog PS - and if the soap didn't actually make bubbles you'd see them anyway.

When this P'Dog first read I had thought it the wittiest funny of the day - a very good thing and so clever of ThunderIdeal - of course you wouldn't break your car's partition if you were driving responsibly would you! The partition is the barrier between the front and rear passengers. But now it has dawned on me that TI and others, fact most people, might not be familiar with the term partition. Silly me. An excellent example of "partition" is the old A/B extraction. When a non-polar "oily" layer floats on top of the polar "water" layer the partition is where the two liquids meet. Materials in those solutions will cross back and forth across the partition until they set up an equilibrium - always be some material in both solutions, but the material will find the one it is most soluble in or likes being in the most. But this depends hugely on temperature, pH and saltiness of the water phase and the temperature and what else is in the oily organic solvent phase. Tweaking these factors, even a little bit, can make huge changes in the materials movements across the partition and even complex mixtures can have their bits singled out. So it is THC and freebase alkaloid prefers to stay in the fatty tissues, but THC carboxylic acid and the alkaloid salts prefer the watery tissues. The body has folds and folds of fatty layers and watery layers holding materials at different concentrations across these partitions. So it is that the concentration of material depends very much on what body fluid you have sampled, but also temperature, pH and the presence of other materials. This and the fact the body is continuously changing the chemistry of those materials. If you mix body fluids - that sounds rude doesn't it? - e.g. got blood and saliva in your mouth the partition is broken and equilibriums really changed. Introduce a co-solvent that is soluble, miscible, in both fatty layer and watery layer - e.g. ALCOHOL - and your testing is worthless, especially when you are mucking around the parts per billion, the partition is broken. Pity though - I thought it a cracker of a joke that I've just spoilt! OK. and bye 4 now!

P's Dog here Pat Uri has a strong chemistry background and has explained to me exactly how it works, but it went right over my head - Gee I'm a dog, not a cat, for goodness sake what do you expect? When he gets back from his walkabout - which accounts for the some of the CQ Yowie sightings lately - and if he's not so grumpy he'll explain and you peoples will probably get it better than me. But what I do know is it is a long way from satisfactory analysis and only the more expensive lab tests can determine true drug presence - not quantity, just presence. It is an Amplified Reverse Immunoassay test that is cheap and nasty a sort of "white-man-magic" to impress the public. Developed from the same tech as in a pregnancy test which was designed to pick up the few molecules of hCG that a fertilized egg releases when it implants in the womb. That's how tiny the amount of test material you need to set it off - you could blow a puff of smoke on it and set it off. Thousands of times less than could possibly "impair" you, you honestly wouldn't notice. It is hair triggered and often gives a false positive - that is says there is test material present, but really isn't. It very, very rarely gives a false negative - says nothing is there, when in fact you are on it. Of course we all know our truth - but every alcohol driver is in denial. ("So how many drinks have you had tonight, driver?" "Arrr - only one or two officer, not enough to be over the limit." lying through their teeth.) Stoners may well have had consumed hours before and genuinely don't feel impaired and are spun out when they get swabbed positive. No need to be, the swab is often wrong. See hCG is a whopping big molecule with hundreds of identification points - but d9-THC is tiny and the N-methyl,phenylisopropylamines tinier still all with only a couple of identification points. Fortunately that is what it tests for - not tetra hydrocannabinoid carboxylic acid which has no impairment. To make the pregnancy test they put hCG - only found in humans - into a bunny rabbit and as a foreign protein the bunny makes antibodies to it. Antibodies are even bigger proteins. These rabbit antibodies are removed and because they only react with hCG can be used to detect its presence in the part-per-billion range. The antibody gets a gold atom attached to each and every molecule and put on the butt end of a strip of film. When the film gets wet capillary action makes the gold labelled protein creep slowly to a point on the film that's got a gold activated invisible dye on it and the gold changes it to coloured meaning the antibody has made it to that part of the film. If there is hCGH in the "wet" it locks to the antibody making a dirty, dirty big protein that never makes it to the dye and so no colour appears - the positive result. To make the drug test, they find the drug receptor proteins from a sheep, and put those in the bunny. The bunny makes now sheep drug receptor protein antibodies. These bunny antibodies are put into another sheep that make antibodies to the rabbit antibodies of sheep drug receptor proteins - a big protein antibody. These anti-antibody-anti-receptor proteins are labelled and put on a strip with the other proteins. Theoretically in the presence of the test drug the receptor proteins close up, can't react with the antibodies that can react with the labelled anti-antibody-anti-receptor to make a dirty, dirty big protein and the gold never makes it to the dye and so no colour appears - the positive result. Tiny traces of a reaction that set off a bigger reaction to set off an even bigger reaction that stop a reaction from happening, hence the term amplified. One tiny flaw - its all crap! With so many steps there is more chance of failure in any of the preceding steps - and so the false positive. However the insurance companies wanted a cheap and quick test and they wanted it now. And drug companies don't say no to making money. So like it or not, another much more expensive test has to be done from an expensive machine the police have to cart with them. It may use tech only a little better than the swab, same antibody/antigen/dye tech but no amplification just a powerful microscope to read the test strip - less chance of false positive, but still there. Police hope that by the time you get to court it has been checked and verified by a lab using the proper gear. Sorry no way for me to explain it any simpler, and anyway it is still hocus pocus mumbo jumbo however explained. Pat Uri is the guru at explaining chemistry. Hope it helps a bit - even just to point out how complex it is that not even the testing constable really knows what they are actually doing....funny that. The mystique of the Law is the name given to the bluff - hoping you'll just plead guilty. Ever heard the one about the Emperor's new clothes? Had to give you good people something back for your support! Shine On!

Yeah many thanks folks. Seems to this furry, big mouth, long tongued P's Dawg that a bit of sneakiness is afoot. It is written its a roadside Breath Alcohol Concentration analysis O​R ​roadside Drug Analysis of Saliva, but it is not both. The blood/tissue/breath/saliva partition is a bit of a problem for both tests to be conducted together! If you have had anything in your mouth such as last drink, they have to wait twenty minutes for BAC - if your mouth is bleeding and the partition is broken and if you have been chewing high pH rum flavoured tobacco, or worse yet limed up betel, things get as complicated as alcohol mouthwash. If you have 0.0000% alcohol, but the officer "suspects" that you are impaired - speech slurred, red eyes, strange behaviour, a black fella playing roots reggae, white fella playing satanic metal etc. - then they can swab you. But have under-the-limit alcohol to explain your impairment and the partition is broken and the swab is compromised = so on your way and get the passenger to text everybody where the RID patrol are stationed and flash your lights at oncoming traffic...what a sticky, sticky web Babylon has spun! Have a little ganja stuck between your teeth from days before during a swab "and we'll see you in Botany Bay!". Serves you right for not flossing, ya pothead. So I take it that respected elder MP David Shoebridge's righteous words were not the favourite headline of the NSW mass media last week...That noble MP - may the Most High multiply his blessings - had to use the swear word "freedom of information" to extract it from Babylon anyway. Very controversial stuff for the Insurance Law prop. Ltd. shareholders and their media and political fingerpuppets isn't it? There is nothing this little dog loves more than a fresh pile of bullshit to roll around in when I find it. I do believe Pat Uri will be smoking a few cigars and sipping cognacs with his barrister over this one... Blessing all - keep PhaemonsDog up on the word of our fair democratic country, or lack there of. Hey ThundeIdeal did you hit him, Pat Uri, up for some tobacco - that's a reliable way to tell if it is him or not.

(Quote from Katu above:-) "How in gods name did Pat get an invite to Wilsons of Sharrow Centenary?? How big is his carry on luggage? Katu is a small guy and flights from Sydney to Heathrow can take as little as 24hrs nowadays...I would do unspeakable acts to attend that monumental gathering... I would of loved to try the F&T range before they were taken over by Wilsons. The old snuff aficionados swear it's not the same despite the recipes being unchanged. Different hands, barrels, factory, makes sense. Have got their Lundy Foot in my rotation at the moment. Lovely stuff." (Katu Quote ends.) Dare say you have it there Katu - Pat Uri did some unspeakable things to get his position - not as unspeakable as having "their Lundy Foot in his rotation" but...Pat Uri only travelled between states here in Australia recently, not overseas, that was last millennia, with carry on. Serious one now - don't go to Heathrow with contraband, man they will "pleasure you" with a marigold clad fist and have you crap in a fishtank for "their pleasure" if you so much as sniff of contraband. I understand the Pommie Customs are full on and make Guantanamo Bay look like a picnic place if you invoke their ire. They have the power to temporarily arrest you (WTF???) for having Poschl Snuffy Weiss until they are satisfied it ain't cocaine. Mind, and so they should punish users of those two atrocities = the coke and the snuffy Weiss! OK - you raised a excellent point. The old fartisans do claim "everything was better in their day" but in the case of tobacco there is an important, thread related reason. Tobacco like say wine is a natural product and it is near impossible to keep consistency in complex flavour year after year. Seasonal changes, soil conditions, etc. make one vintage better than another, one locality better than another, even one side of a crop better than the other etc . and it changes more frequently than Australian political leadership. You can tame it with artificial additives but that is the difference between cigarettes and quality cigars, or fine vintage wine and cordial. Cigarettes stay brand specific flavour year after year because they bleach out the flavour (know as "puffing" in the industry much like making ricebubbles and allows them to sell you the worthless stalk as tobacco - bastards, huh? but a fool and their money are easy to separate) and then artificially reflavour it. Chew makes it much simpler. Tobacco is worst for inconsistency - not even the same packet of same cigarettes taste identical. Regardless of cloning not every plant same, not even every leaf, or parts there of, off the same plant is the same. It gets worse - some tobacco is flavoursome, but won't burn; some will burn, but compact heavily; some has flavour, but won't keep; some will fill nicely but have no flavour; some will have all these but ugly, black ash; some will be okay in respects but be so scarce you can't get enough for feedstock to meet demand, etc.etc. blah. blah. The only way to get around it is to blend - tobacco must be blended to get all the right stuff. In fact as a general rule, the bottom leaves have good burning properties but no flavour, the middles have good body and pack well, but little flavour and less burning properties; and the tops have all the flavour but are dense and poor burning. Availability is the next biggest problem - once you've got a decent crop going and built a reputation, governments will come along and make new rules about where and how it can be sold. Then comes the problem of seasons and disease. In the old days people started in the tobacco fields at a young age and slowly learnt the strains and the curing. After decades they might become decent growers and a select few good at curing. A very few had the natural gift of sorting. But rarest were the ones who had the gift to 'taste', smell and distinguish potentially profitable good stuff. These were the elite few, natural athletes of tobacco with senses beyond us mere mortals - like wine tasters or gifted musicians of extraordinary superhuman ability. These demigods were captured by the Companies and flown all around the world to follow the markets, select the required feedstock, negotiate the bales, keep consistency in the product at something affordable, profitable for the company. Their talent was the make or break every year for the whole industry. They were the original "jet set" the term was coined after - mind you, not paid as much as they were really worth, anymore than a bloodhound is esteemed for its ability, rare as it might be. No computer or analytical lab can achieve the subtly of subjective human perception - and "know" what is a beautiful piece of art, an alluring perfume or an exquisite taste. But once the amazing critic has determined this only then can a little objectivity be made. No amount of analytical chemistry says what is good caapi, say, only bioassay from a knowledgeable shaman determines that. Same with tobacco. Sadly with our digital information age that mastery isn't around, people look for ratings and view counts, alkaloid levels and second hand reviews and the field isn't there to develop it. Its a world where people trust Wikipedia over their own sensibility. Instant "knowledge" rather than the years of hard yakka and dedication, first hand experience and genuine talent. So the tobacco business, like many others, aint the same for the simple lack of true, old school talent. No-one is left to make the art and trail blaze our future. Few have the guts to be the real heroes like the amazing Mr T of SAB to whom we all owe a great debt of gratitude for bringing us together. Yeah old Pat started out a shitkicker in the tobacco field and ended up one of the big jet set graders amongst the Internationals - all with that nose of his. Sozz I've had my speech for that dear old fart. But that is why the old school tobacco will never be the same. Regards P'sDog.

Taskmaster P'sDog in session, folks - J​​ah smiles on you all. In CQ anyway, first you are breath test for the alcohol. If you have = or < 0.0499% bless you and off you go. If you have = or > 0.0500% curse you pisshead and you stay for the grilling. Open license that is. If you have 0.0000%, or a P plater and you are swab tested for the drugs - especially the focus on the unmentionable herb. Yeah, I know conviction by numbers, but law is law. Now it is not that the man is encouraging, protecting and supporting the Government's enshrined alcohol habit, but any trace of oral alcohol changes the blood/tissue partition, interferes with enzymes and antibodies and makes swab testing contestable in court. No stresser be the Dog - only the Pat Uri has the power to make every computer in the 3rd world mass against a site at his bidding. - you mean a stirrer trying to cause a d.dos stampede of reply posts? But please good people - did you first hear the words of esteemed elder MP Shoebridge today here, or not? Faith and Love. P'sDog.

Respect! Brother Glaukus - many thanks for your kind regards in previous posts, solid bro- I love the local knowledge. Can you tell me if it is true these roadside tests for drugs involve first an alcohol test? By breath analysis, yes? Handsome you are. From P'sDog of clan Pat Uri.

I hear you, brother Maxofoz. But like Pat Uri would say "The law does not have to be right, the law does not have to be correct, the law does not have to be undiscriminationing:- the law must merely be the law, and that is that." AND he is a Tribal Law Maker - but man, I wish the likes of him made national laws! He also said something like "Social disobedience is necessary because the precursor to political and legal change has always been cultural change" or something really heady like that. You is so lucky, Pat Uri himself used to do big hash oil milkshakes (bhang lasski - I think they are called, something to do with Hindu aghori sadhus rituals secret Big Men's Business) and I mean tablespoons of the black oil went into them - absolutely hallucinogenic, nasty gear - daily, for years. When he gave up - to prove a point about cannabis not so addictive - he self tested his urine and for MONTHS it was testing positive, in spite of no use. Toward the end some days it would be positive, next days negative, then positive again for a while. He thought it hilarious. Didn't stop developers allowing him on site though (amongst his many talents he's a licensed builder of, no less, high rise - post stress tensioned, suspended concrete multilevel commercial structures. Recently the new (OBSCURED) shopping facility at Burleigh Heads - and man that is big clue to who he actually is. Oh, and plenty more funny stories to that one!) - they are very selective about the results of the test. So if anyone at Burleigh noticed a bare foot, black fella, sucking a cigar and wearing filthy hi-vis with big company logos OWNING that building site 24/7 and even sleeping on it - that was him. It is all nothing to do with public safety, fitness for work - it is all to do with Corporate Insurance underwriters attempting to worm out of their promises. So people don't blame It on the cops - they "only doing their job" or in the study of morality "defer to higher authority" the Stanford Prison experiment. The SS only burned the jews for the same reason - may Babylon fall! Yeah I was really interested why none of our ever vigilant NSW forum family posted this before me. Surely if a Member of the Legislative Council says citizens have been wrongfully persecuted by a faulty legio-medical test that should be BIG NEWS - even bigger than Miley Cyrus in a bikini - and all the NSW media should be baying for blood. Our forum brothers and sisters would be screaming it to our attention. Why does a dirty QLD dog have to break the news to forum?. Was it or was it not widely reported? I'd appreciate the news. Ta! P'sDog (phaemon's dog) Jah bless! Respect to y'all! Bye.

Phaemon's Dog was sort of expecting someone to post this,,,Oh,well no better person to get something to happen than yourself! THE NSW Greens have called for roadside drug testing to be abolished after obtaining classified police documents showing a positive reading does not mean a driver is under the influence of illicit drugs. Upper House MP David Shoebridge said the tests had no lower limit for detection, meaning a person could be found guilty of driving with drugs in their system that may have had no impact on their driving abilities. "Information obtained by the Greens through the freedom of information process has shown that the current roadside drug testing regime is arbitrary, invasive and has no relationship to the impairment of drivers on our roads," he said in a statement. "The NSW police force strongly resisted the release of this information, and it was necessary to undertake an internal review to have the materials released. "The public would have deep concerns that the NSW police force are laying charges, investigating and conducting prosecutions with no information on what exactly is tested for in roadside drug tests or at what levels." The internal NSW Police documents state: "This program does not infer impaired driving or driving a motor vehicle under the influence of a drug. This program detects the presence of an illicit drug in a subject's oral fluid." "Testing certificates received from the Forensic and Analytical Science Service do not disclose quantity as there is no prescribed quantity of drug to be tested for," it continues. The National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre says marijuana can affect driving ability for up to five hours. "The length of time it stays in your system depends on a lot of things, but in general it may be found in urine for one to five days after occasional use and up to six weeks if you're a regular, long-term user," it says. Drugs such as ice and heroin are much quicker to be flushed out of the body despite being considered more serious forms of illegal drug. Drug testing frequency is set to skyrocket from a current 32,000 tests to 97,000 in 2017 as police ramp up the program. The increase has the Centre for Road Safety's support after its researchers found 195 deaths on NSW roads between 2010 and 2013 involved drivers or riders with at least one of three illegal drugs - ecstasy, speed or marijuana - in their systems. The centre found at least 13% of all road deaths involved a driver with drugs in their system - whether it impaired their driving, or not. Australia has one of the highest rates of marijuana use in the world, with the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare finding 34.8% of people aged 14 or older had used the drug at least once. ​AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL NEWS - APN Newsdesk Spare a thought for high risk construction workers who are randomly urine tested AS4308 and sacked for a positive 3 days later. 3 days of being "impaired" at work for a joint they smoked a couple of weeks ago. Unfit for work, but perfectly legal to drive home. If you're drunk at work, you are driven home and given two more chances. Because alcohol is legal and cannabis ain't. There is no cut off for an illegal drug the merest trace will do. For cannabis that's 20nanos/ml - 20 ppb - that's like 20mm in 1000km. That's right - like noticing a thumbprint on the medial strip of the highway from Brisbane to Sydney. Not cool is it?

Yes, us dogs actually do wonder why you two legged humans don't fall over all the time. Man, I wish my old biology teacher was here he'd win hands down - but they sacked him when he was busted growing pot. A couple of his really strange bits of humour:- "What is the main activity of 'the sheep ked' Melophagus ovinus, a​ species of wingless fly?".....Walking. "Which neurological condition is better to have - Parkinson's or Altzimer's?".....Parkinson's, because it is better to spill a beer than to forget where you left it. (No cactus please, I live in Queensland.) Phaemon's Dog

Hey Distracted it's the RIGHT to privacy that is necessary. Just move to Queensland or spend some time in a Thai prison to know what I mean. If everyone did the right thing all the time it would be the Kingdom of Heaven - we wouldn't need police, laws or judicial systems...but guess what? Peace! P's Dog. (Mind you if you wanted to set your house up as a public reality TV show, I'd watch it!)

Oh - P's dog is not Pat's dog. No, no. Pat Uri doesn't keep dogs for the cattle reason. He'd love to, he is in hipster speak more "a dog person" than "a cat person" but he loves them all dogs, cats, cows, etc. He even loves dogs more than cattle because dogs are so hearty and sweet in nature, and cats lovely, but sharp and bony. He likes cat intestine though. Yep, dog over beef over cat...Gulp! Just another reason I keep out of his sight.

P's Dog 4 Pat Uri - thank you so much Alice you sexy chemist! What I said was a bit blunt. Apologies bio. Alice is so beautiful and very accurate like all chemists. To save you the equipment for destructive distillation, the alkaloidal loss and the terrible clean ups - roll it up into a cigarette and smoke it, as that is the same thing. Dig? Perhaps you should examine steam distillation. Pyrolysis is using the sledge hammer to crack the nut. Peace to you bio. Respect and love to you Alice. P's Dog ends.

P's Dog here - that's Phaemon's Dog, of course. Now we are talking! I agree with you katu, Toque makes great snuffs but in my opinion many of them suffer from having the same or a similar base tobacco. F&T to me are just on a whole other level... mhmmm Old Paris...quoted from Nibbana. Repect Nibbana! Respect Katu! ANY amount of imported Tobacco will be seized by Border Protection - If they detect it. The 200g limit is all over. We get away with it with Toque Rustica because Customs ain't smart enough to realise Toque's Declaration "nasal snuff" is actually 'tobacco snuff' - and wonder why we don't respect them! plus toque plastic bag flat packing doesn't come up the same way as tins or boxes of snuff in xray scans, looks more like cinnamon, etc. Plus sniffer dog narcs don't smell rustica the same way as tabacum. But for Pete's sake let us keep this our little secret. Plus Customs is all "huff and puff' or to use Donkey Wang's chinese expression "kill chicken, scare monkey" even synthetic designers "for research only not human consumption"(!!!!!) stand more chance of getting in, than seized. Yeah Katu was being very polite I think! The pommies really understand subtle, fine perfumes and flavours - their lollies and sweets are so delicate, not like our crude stuff. Toque is the Ronald McDonald of snuff - no offense, value but a bit 'ordinary' one feedstock no complex blending. WoS better and I really dig buying off a company that's near 300 year's old in continuous product. I think Pat's got a invit to go over and celebrate their 3rd centenary in a few years - but they are the original Euro Royal Family of tobacco, and that is not a polite thing to say. (Tell yas the yarn sometime.) F&T, same mob, is the top shelf stuff and use feedstocks that in some cases are hundreds of years old. Love their DR J R Justice, and Prince Special is like Bob Marley and Jacob Miller back from the dead and jammin' in your head! Because F&T use only nature sourced perfumes regardless of cost their Prince (one of Pat Uri's favourites because it matches his skin colour, so no accidental snuff moustache) got ambergris, and civet and tonquin deer musk - the nut juice off the stags that mark their territory and dominance. The property's bulls and mickeys (the cleanskins) known Pat since they were calves. Now cattle have bad eyesight but very good sense of smell and the remanent of F&T Prince musk on Pat Uri makes him smell like the KING BULL to even the wildest fighting scrubber. They'll charge out of the bush to crush any other man but stop dead, heads up and turn still waiting for him to pat them. Even the local police know better than to bring sniffer narc dogs onto the property. See - cattle hate dogs unless they know them. To cattle even little pet Tiddles the toy terrier smells like a wolf, their instinctual enemy, and a mickey will rip a car apart to kill it. But in the US there you might wanna watch out using the musky snuffs when hiking bush, not for feral bulls, but I understand deer musk is the dinner bell sounding for bears! Wilsons No 22 is excellent and twice the nicotine of F&T and WoS, but such good tobacco you don't notice. Save your money on Abraxas - as the name suggests it is a trendy, trustafarian gimmick. Sorry I've made a dog's breakfast of the quote thing - I'm on Pat's office laptop he left in Brissy (down for G20 - funny stories there, I tell you!) with "remember me" login, touchpad and key sensitivity set for a halfblind, arthritic old man. So much as spill yarndhi ash on it, which is happening, and it'll go off - either that or it's demonically possessed which, knowing him, is just as likely. Home country folk expected to see him yesterday for tobacco birthday (Columbus Day) but he's still walkabout, not even in the caves. The home boys played Inner Circle's "Mary, Mary" on the landcruiser's stereo loud as, but even that didn't flush him out. They reckon they did hear loud snoring off the tableland cliff though down the Callide valley somewhere though. Not me making comments about Fed Laws on tobacco that was housey Donkey Wang - he made the one above recommending Toque as equivalent mapacho. He is alright and very qualified herbalist, expert in traditional Asian medicine AND Pat Uri's adopted him because he is a devout barefoot (with scabies). Only a total tight arse like him would have you save bucks buying mapacho off toque, rather than support little companies but he is my clan brother and that is that. Plus what is wrong with a few opinions eh? that is what team work is all about and that is the way of our Elder law maker Pat Uri - the human chain, the "One World, One Love". Wang Donkey has started another work shift of 13 days so shouldn't hear much out of him. (Mind you at the time this thread was in Sustainable Tech. so I understand his penny pinching. Plus he is right - that ain't true mapacho rape' as you get from Peru and Brazil, et al South America) Assuming you don't mind the expense and it is worth it - given import duty - the most excellent pommie rustica rape' (or in English rapee) are Sir Walter Scott's. Don't be put off by the implied Royal Family connotation - even the most traditional Amazonian "headsplitter" "untouchable one" shaman will be your eternal friend with a gift of these - to them tobacco is more than a pressie, it is an icebreaker. The mapacho accentuated offerings are:- "St. James Parish Blend" and man, you are back with the Iroquois there! and "Auld Alliance", "all white mans sins are forgiven let us forge a new future together as brothers!" direct quoted review from tearfully grateful Don Kikuron; not rustica but bloody worth the mention and recommended gift to South American curanderos Indian is "Thrice Brewed" new tradition, but very good tradition. Rumour has it the Sir Walter personally supervises the blends and is a true brother in tobacco - fussy we are, but racist we not. Sozz about the real shit format above - no dis here K. and N. - please understand I'm not good with the use of the tools here and Windows 10 - what happened to when you could author offline? I'll get Donkey Wang to reformat when he's not busy to proper respect Katu and Nibanna. Keep up there good folk! P's Dog (Pat Uri insists if we use his computer we acknowledge who we are as courtesy to mods. He apologises for all his past forum mistakes getting into trouble with the mods as a newbie he didn't understand forum rules, has different old school culture:- once he gets too many readers he gets "shame" and censorship confuses and "shames" him. Really he is one of the funniest, gifted, multi talented, yet furious and terrifying person that exists!) OK and bye.

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12th of October - COLUMBUS DAY. Today is the official birthday of tobacco, oh and that land mass where the "a merkins" (Americans) come from. You know that lot that speak and spell English funny, with Spanish as their national language.Some celebrate it - others point out it began an invasion and genocide of many important indigenous cultures, hundreds, without trace.It is an inconvenient truth to point out kumura sweet potato, native to south America, is found on Pacific islands all the way to New Zealand - which is a long way to float in salty water for a tuber. Scandinavians have found an old Viking horn stuffed with a tobacco variety. Chinese have an ancient variety of tobacco that their records say came from a foreign land well over the seas. Egyptian mummies have been found with traces of cocaine (and nicotine) when coca is only found in South America. Ancient Arabic texts describe the route to Americas and claim to have obtained treasures there. History ("his""story") books insist European Columbus re"discovered" the Americas in 1492. Not the Egyptians , or the Vikings, or the Polynesians, or the Arabs (Christian God forbid!) - and certainly not the Chinese!The Arawak Indians presented Columbus with the most precious gift they had the holy dried leaves of a particular odour they obviously prized - tobacco. He thought it rubbish, but noticed their gold ornaments...He wanted gold, not diplomacy. He kidnapped a few Indians and refused to release them until they told him the source of the gold. But soon the European Royal Families would learn how to turn the golden leaves into gold, lots and lots of it. Columbus spied and figured he could conquer the lot of them with "fifty steel clad and fire armed soldiers", seize their gold and put them into slavery. The fate of the American aboriginals was sealed and they were doomed, as were the lungs of the future. So pretty all the accumulated wisdom of tobacco, and many other things, was lost to ignorance. Their cultures weren't recorded as contact was made by violent, murderous marauders, profit hungry gold fevered thieves, and Christian religious zealots - their activities would make ISIS look modest. They made better terrorists than anthropologists and even worse botanists. There was absolutely no interest in indigenous culture except to irradicate it. To study their records would be to research Judaism using Nazi literature, not credible. What few bias observations they made to give us clues about traditional tobacco use are completely confused by the fact natives chewed Nicotiana AND Erythroxylun, Acorus, Salvia, Lophophorus, etc. and snuffed Nicotiana AND Erythroxylun, Anadenanthera, Virola, etc. in all combinations. The very word "tobacco" is wrong - that actually the name the Arawak gave to the tube they snuff cohoba with in their temples praying to the Taino cohoba spirit in a religion they supposedly didn't have - they were filthy bare arsed heathen savages - the Arawak prized peace as the greatest virtue. There were hundreds of names for different Nicotiana, preparations and uses that varied from tribe to tribe and they traded their ware far and wide. This and so many other ethnobotanicals we can only imagine now. So, so much wisdom. So party on today America - for how far you have come, but spare a thought for how much you, and the rest of us, really lost forever. Try not to keep doing it. Respect! Phaemon's Dog.

YEAH - Underneath my​ post...P​'s Dog

Phaemon's Dog here - Hell yeah! - All my knowledge is that slivers of the wood polished make outstanding jewellery pendants and until this decade no-one outside Americas had even heard of it! Or could even confirm it was real. Oh, and it's known as the yage' of thunder. Friends in High places recommend its use by only the most experienced shaman in the solitary work of brujero ​where they will enter the spirit underworld to cast spells, break the spells cast by others and conform phantoms...scary! Visions of this world are said to be tinted green. The other three yage' are used for healing, vision quests and ceremonies. Now that I've got a little research done I begin to see the extent of the conflicting accounts! There is a lot of rivalry getting about the information isn't there. This is definitely something I will bring to Pat Uri's attention - he got some influence in South A​merica with the tobacco scene, genetic analysis labs, etc. and might get some straight answers! I'll swap you:- 1) its weight in gold; + 2) Pat Uri's password; +3) equivalent quantity in B.caapi seed; and +4) I'll even throw in photos of EtherealDrifter's pussy! Accept my offer or I'll post bomb you with a whole album of photos of EtherealDrifter's pussy! First, suckers!!! P's Dog.

Come now Darklight - there must be some old, black fellas your way you can have sexual fantasies over? It doesn't just have to be old man Pat. By the way - Pat Uri likes Cohiba Nicaragua in the modern stuff or Gurkha. Donkey Wang's total knowledge of cigars could be written on one side of a cigarette paper with a crayon - R&J cigars are spelt Romeo y Julieta. Seems I've been missing a very, very important point about all traditional tobacco - crucial to all nicotine sources. Nicotine accumulation is very rare in all wild species, usually it is there in traces and nornicotine is the major alkaloid. Nicotine is a secondary alkaloid converted to the more toxic nornicotine and anabasine. The gene for the conversion is either silenced or absent in plants that have been artificially selected for cultivation - it is a recessive condition. When this mutation occurs the plant is less likely to fight off insect attacks and doesn't survive with competition of the convertors. Taking seeds from the wild will almost always be from the dominant convertor condition stock. Human experimentation selected the nicotine accumulators and kept that strain going. Not just Nicotiana but Duboisia and Petunia as well. There's a pituri song about tasting every Dubosia along the trail until one with the nicotine taste was found and that one was gathered. Some old fellas reckon they can spot it by its aura - good for them! - probably the amount of insect damage is a clue too. With the genocides came the loss of most of the original Australian and American Indigenous strains. They might be found again, but not without the thousands of years of selective breeding the ancestors put into development. Fortunately mapacho was kept going by the uncontacted Americans. Hundred year old specimens of pituri show 8% nicotine, not found in common modern populations...that is by most researchers... Even tabacum if not properly bred can back breed to convertor stock, with little nicotine, but plenty of nornicotine. You can tell because the leaves cure red in colour. Sozz I forgot to mention this point. Oh, and Africa has one very rare species of Nicotiana too. OK and catch you all later. P's Dog.

Nee How! From 号汪驴 Ghost Doctor to Master Pat Uri. You most certainly can order into Australia - and Customs are only capable of seizing one in five tobacco imports (as all Dark Webbers know too well). If you place two orders one will get in and you can abandon the other to customs - the one that gets in offsets the extortionate and exploitive import duty they charge. Talking about these extortionate rates and exploitation:- Kutakina's product is not a rape' ("rah - peh" otherwise you may terrify someone ordering a "rape") which is the coarsest grade of snuff - from the French "rasped" tobacco. "Mapacho at Katukina" 'handmade' 'by enchanted Amazonian pygmies at AUD$19.14 for 12g???' Ha! They must think we are on drugs! It looks exactly like Toque Snuff's product "Rustica" which is available in "coarse" and "fine", and "whiskey and honey" scent too, and 50g economy bag will cost an Australian (looking at Master Pat Uri's 2015-2016 shipping manifest) with delivery included, AUD$19.77 total at present exchange rate. Their service is second to none and the Master has had 3 orders delivered in 10 days to remotest C Q this year. All of these orders cleared Customs without duty or delay - when you see how they package it you will know why. Not made by vibsy jungle shaman, but a ruddy great factory by Irishmen - but same stuff. Save you lots, but has cost Katukina's cred. Regards. Spelt 号汪驴 pronounced "Donkey Wang"

Nee How! Many thanks for above: by reproducing Phaemon'sDog post it is forever frozen for him to edit out his terriblespelling and grammar. No excuse with spellcheck! Ha! This thread has been printed and hardcopy wrapped around Master PatUri's Iced VoVo biscuits in last week's food basket to his meditation cave in farC Q - that is not swearing - where heresides for now. It would be wrong to disturb his sequestration as he contemplates higher spiritual matters - and WiFi inmountain cave is pretty shit anyway. I, fake Doctor Zhong Ki Wang advise that tobacco curing information must not be used by readers in Australia which hasworld's strictest anti-tobacco laws profitable and plenty more foot to shoot itself through! Master Pat Uri, uses a morecolourful expression past posts to describe 'this Government's oversized organs causing instability, resulting incriminal, even obscene, penetration'. His exact words are not medically comprehensible or anatomically possible to mylimited English background, but may still be there in a previous post, moderators permitting. Allow me to update with legal changes since last time Master Pat Uri used this expression (that still all seem to protectcommercial interest monopolies, tax collection and nothing to do with consumer health and wellbeing):- - Not even Master Pat Uri can say with confidence if nicotine is actually really legal, illegal, tolerated, unenforceable,etc. Great Rock of Canberra -and mossy it is too- says in "ink-on-paper" legislation that nicotine possession is illegal. Certainly police arrest people sucking on e-cigarettes of freebased nicotine - the most addictive form of the alkaloid.Yet children can buy much laden chewing gum and other confectionary off shelves of Multi-international Supermarket Chainsas they can afford. Legally children can still smoke too, law only stops them buying tobacco. - Living tobacco plants and seeds are banned, but authorities can not be bothered to destroy feral. Property owners can'tremove it for transport without authority and bale plate labels, cutting or poisoning the weed plants is illegal too. (see down) - ATO have finally "defined" two ancestor diploid and one polymorphic tetraploid spp. as the tobacco of commerce...so timetravellers beware of bringing these into the present (Master Pat Uri has suggested maybe ATO "googled" for theirresearch.) - Unlicensed possession - what licenses? - of manufactured tobacco or to manufacture tobacco is illegal. ATO defines"manufactured" when leaf is cut ("ragged", "shredded", "stripped", "shagged", "ribboned" in tobacconist speak) and so, byextension, cultivated, harvested, culled, mowed or ripped from the ground to destroy it. It is "manufactured" if anychemical substance is applied to the leaf (molasses, mu'assel, glycerol, sorbitol, honey, xylitol, liquorice,acetophenone, etc. in tobacconist speak) and by extension, sulphuric acid, glycophos, 2,4D, any other herbicide to destroyit. In theory, colour cured, unstripped leaf hanging is not manufactured and such exempt. Truly last years Master Pat Uri hasflown between Australian states for FIFO jobs ("kidnapped") with kilogram "hands" of folded leaf ("ransom") in hisluggage. When luggage scanned airport customs and security officers concluded "it was some sort of vegetable" and freelyallowed passage. In tradition colour cure leaf is not much cut anyway - he and his Elder other tribes ("enemies") mates treat these likerare stamps or money notes - trading, swapping, admiring, stretching, folding, fingering them for their beauty, odour,rarity, colour and perfection, and valuing them in an exchange rate known to them - years can pass before such are everconsumed, and more fondled meantime the better. Seems this is one of few botanicals that withstands, improves, with suchintimate human contact. Sacred fire wood ash may be added before ceremonial ingestion - Elders may be particular what ash,but potash is potash I think. Burnt shell ash too, but this can be severely caustic, you must learn air slaking, and ittastes crap. Snuff made from stalk (petiole, mid vein) should be exempt as ATO define leaf lamina only. - International travellers may only carry <50g of foreign tobacco (or 20 cigarettes, or 2 cigars) into Australia - much toamazement of all foreign and duty free tobacconists in the world who may not carry such tiny amounts for sale. Manyvisitors are harassed into abandoning their carry on as that is easier for Customs than explaining laws properly,honestly, accountably, transparently and in their language... Meanwhile illegal tobacco is smuggled into Australia by the30t, 20' shipping container load (see below) - that is the real problem. - On ATO's behalf Customs and Border Protection withhold ANY amount of tobacco-containing-material ordered online forimport into Australia until <$700/kg+gst+handling import duty is paid. This is regardless of packaging, or actual amountof nicotine or tobacco present, they weigh all whole parcel to calculate excise. American chewing tobacco might only be30% tobacco but an $8 item will cost +$200 duty. Halal "washed" moassel for shisha averages ~5% tobacco and never exceeds0.2% nicotine but a $12 item will attract +$150 duty. Visitor guests from Near East have been so harassed by entryofficials they abandoned their few grams of 'dhoka' fearing violation of import law (they are naturally law abiding byvirtue) - Australian Customs and Border Security never bothered to explain to them plainly they were quite within theirrights to keep Arabic tobacco.) Delighting in his practised trading art, Master Pat Uri organises online oversea tobacco buys to be delivered in grams'intricately purchased, by:- suspended; part; FOP, FAC, COP, FAD, COD, COCC, FOT underwritten shipping terms; back;cancelled; and etc. orders, with onshore clearing terms, and then suspending, abandoning or waiting until last moment ofdemurrage, etc. to pay duty, in depreciated $AUD - and if Customs make one mistake, he instructs writ to sue withlitigation. A time consuming, nightmarish, logistical, bureaucratic chaos for minimally paid Custom's young warehousingstaff over a few dollars of tax revenue! ("Breath with me, come play my game, I'll test ya!" he sings.) This, while Master Pat Uri has himself a good, fat black belly laugh in a remotest Queensland property, tending his$multimillion mixed 'crops' and feeding excess imported cigars to his homicidal pet bulls for their tummy upsets from a20' refrig container humidor stocked up over 40 years! (continued on, after side note.)[side note. NB - note well, dear readers - A very serious point to this, Master Pat Uri's "in house" jokes to this, hisfavoured plat-forum, aside:- presently Border Security seized-imposed-import-duty applies only to online tobacco, butFederal Politicians plot, as you read this, to impose +$17% on ALL your online oversea purchases regardless of if items notavailable in Australia: Feds pretence local market protection! Ha! All reminiscent of their Federal "Corrupt Rum Corps"status past, profiting from guarding their little Island Gaol, import control and fleecing both man and mutton. (Beware!Australia:- be very aware.) Perhaps Feds would have implemented it already except the $AUD is so weak the only drugsworth smuggling in are cigarettes! "Boston" Tea Party, anyone?] Side note ends. (Continued, from above.) Master Pat Uri builds a case proving Customs and Border Protection has not the infrastructure todeal with one man and his personal quantities of imported tobacco presently - how will they cope with an entire Nation'sonline import trading market? He hopes this will stall their money-grabbing plots and pursues it quietly, behind thescenes, "'Majority' of the One"- and regardless of how many tax free boxes of foreign cigars Feds offer him from theirInternational Diplomatic Immune pouches to shut-up. Imposed tobacco Import Duty means every piece of local feral "sheep dip" tobacco rubbish from the compost heap is nowworth ~$600/kg. So alcoholic, porn-crazed, sex worker hiring, gambling addicted, anti-drug bigot and all so legally sanctified registeredvoter "Greasy"Pete Phaemon - Clan Uri neighbour/unpaying tenant - has - in Master Pat Uri's words - "been busier than athree balled tomcat on Viagra!" lately. On a positive note now it affords his runaway, estranged 'dog' to get regular food and live in Brisbane city apartmenthouse, from which I post. ["Damn straight! I do - folks! I even got 3 toilets now! - kicking it up large style loud withall da resident ready, party hearty Brissy bitches and dawgs non-stop banging- Yee!Ha!"...:- "P'sDog"] Mod Squad mayconfirm mirror ip. and remind P's Dog of enormous list of chores yet to perform in farC Q for Master Pat Uri. However, onPhaemon and his dog's behalf, many thanks ATO and Federal "Gubba Men" (dialect - I think - for "government") for thisenriching law and their party donation cheque is in the mail. - Plain labelling of all 'commercial tobacco products' i.e. "smokes", is now mandatory - vendors may not promote oracknowledge their wares for advertisement - legally enforced under-the-counter trading, that strangely contradicts thefirst requirement of the law of contracts, i.e. open, public advertisement. (Master Pat Uri has claimed they're called 'tobacco products' because there is more genuine tobacco between his teeth than there is in a commercial cigarette.) This political stunt has been a God send to counterfeiters, who have no longer to replicate patented packaging, and leaveno way that the end consumer can tell product is genuine. When consumer complained occasional plain packaged item tastes different, blander, than previous original genuine packet,authorities laughed in their faces to say:- that is the psychological effect of drab olive packet; the confronting images;lack of point of sale advertising; erosion of self esteem; social outcasting; impoverishment; etc. the product knowing,tax paying cigarette addict must now endure...While Government hope to collect >$20 for every packet sold presently. (Icontinue after pertinent side note that follows.) [side note:- Australian Feds made a great mutual backslapping and song-and-dance act over their brilliant idea to plainlabel, when they stole the idea lock, stock and barrel from Canada and knew it was coming anyway. International tobaccocompanies made a show of protest to compliment - it's an "Eton debate" game they have been playing for centuries havingresources to do so - and reduce their liability, for what other product can you sell knowing it causes cancer in exactlythe way it is meant to be used? yet, avoid compensating victims. For last fifty years annual tax revenue from tobacco sales is more than Federal Government spends on Education, Health,and anti-tobacco programs like Quit, combined. Over last twenty years as smoker numbers halved, but tax more thanquadrupled to rebalance loss in revenue and shortfall. Governments, since James 1st, have long learnt how to collect thegolden eggs of the golden tobacco, rather than kill the goose that lays them. At over $20 per unit, do you honestly thinkthey really want to extinguish the habit? or allow TSNA carcinogen reduced smokeless alternatives, like snus, snuff, e-cigarettes, etc. from commercial sale?] Side note ends. (Continued from above) Only when lost revenue was realized Government admitted >12%, and growing, Australian 'smokes' arecounterfeit and "chop-chop" is rarely ever local, but of /OBSCURED ON LEGAL ADVICE/ origin, 'criminal' (that is, notGovernment approved) syndicates bypassing, in house, manufacturer's brand specific "chemical" adding and therefore ATO.This is why "chop-chop" mostly appears as professionally flue cured, cut, blended, DNA exact, identical to oversea growncommercial feedstocks - so untraceable - yet lacks genuine burning characteristics and flavour, it is same butincompletely unmanufactured. Australian public persecution of legendary, non-existent local growers is "kill chicken,scare monkey" for media spread claptrap. No commercial tobacco production in Australia, for decades. Police prosecutionof retailers the only mandate possessed in well orchestrated global, yet in house, conspiracy. Plus makes newspapers bigheadlines for next to "Dope Fiend beats Senior to Death for Codral" or "Miley Cyrus wears bikini! Pictures inside". Ooo!Ahh! Me buy, me read! Premium, quality real tobacco can barely be bought in Australia - nothing beyond mid-strength available. Longestablished, world renown, famous tobacconists refuse to comply with trivial law and repackage into ugly, substandard,plain packaging. They are too proud to supply their tobacco in anything less than traditional, world recognised, highquality formats of gold gilt banding, Spanish Cedar boxes, lithographed labels, pressed and water marked DOM auditor,inspection stamps, appreciating investment etc. reflecting the quality assurance of their luxurious offerings anddistinguish from any pretender - and there are many. If they lose the tiny Australian market - so what? Theirpatented, time honoured labelling is not - in spite of Federal ignorant "peasant" thinking - a "cheap" sales gimmick. Nat Sherman asks if Australian Government would be proud for Treasury to use photocopies for $AUD banknotes:- after that'sall they are worth, presently. (Au.Fed.Gov. politicians can reply to him personally about this comment, care of theAmerican mafia - with full name and correct residential address, please, as he'll send personal representatives to sortout your concerns. Capeesh?) To buy real tobacco in Australia you must visit what few tobacconists still exist, on paltry profit margins and overworkedrepackaging for Government compliance, knowing exactly what you want - no browsing allowed. Expect to see a couple ofplain clothed ATO detectives outside, "clocking" your face, purchase, license plates etc. and then racing into the shopbehind you to make sure not so much as a cigar cutter was left in sight...as if you were buying Sudafed or something... (Master Pat Uri has a very funny, true story about travelling 800km to select some cigars on the very day of plainlabelling. It is about a select cigar that was hidden from public display and a lovely nude Valley stripper that was notso hidden from public display:- we shall omit for now.) - Low TSNA and carcinogen removed smokeless tobaccos are still banned from commercial supply in Australia, in spite ofmedical evidence, but legends of oral cancer persist. Cancer has been attributed to use of dark, aged, firecured Americanmoist snuff "chew" - a few cases - but all cases also smoked cigarettes and cigars. Poschl studies find snuff lesscarcinogenic than hardwood dust. Swedish snus must be freed of carcinogen before it is sold - there it is illegal to sellanything proven to cause cancer, cannabis is a notably not banned, only smoking tobacco. Other ongoing studies have shownsnuff users have a lower incidence of contracting colds, rhinovirus infection and influenza - the studies are notconcluded yet. Pity as snuff, snus and chew are closest to traditional use, by which American and Australian Aboriginal people have usedit for millennia. These people have never been consulted on the matter or invited to discussion - the laws just beenimposed on them. Master Pat Uri is actually one of the greatest advocates of anti-smoking and thinks seeing a so-called shaman smokingtailor made cigarettes habitually incredible and without taste. He shares, with other shaman curanderos, eg.camalongueros, notion that cancer is physical manifestation of a bad "astral" parasitic "elemental" "spirit" attached tohuman "aura" and preying, perverting or poisoning the personal "subtle energy field" by which DNA/RNA are activated andguided for cell repair and cell replacement, and how the immune system "updates" its recognition of damaged cells andpathogens in an ever changing environment. To blame it on one herb or another a gross over simplification. Esoteric ideas, to be sure. - We must conclude on something positive from present Australian situation and here it is:- Over taxed cigarettes meansthat a genuine real cigar is just as affordable and closer to tradition. Romeo et Juiletta (R&J) if you are a light smoker, White Owl if you are a nicotine head, Bolivar if your taste is somewhatjaded by cigarette use, do not have to be smoked. Place the butt in your cheek and let the nicotine permeate, allayingthe need to smoke. When not in use, put it back, toe first, into the cigar tube it was supplied in. Eventually the soggyend will have to the bitten off. This morsel, mixed with a little bicarbonate of soda, or ash, to freebase will have theflavour return and you can continue to "chew". Really "chew" is a bite/squeeze and back into the cheek, you don't eat it. When absolutely flavourless, spit it somewhere to dry it out and keep it. Master Pat Uri has instruction on how to makesuch "washed" tobacco into shisha to sell to "Greasy"Pete. For meditation, you are going to light the remaining cigar for a few puffs of incense - I know you will. If you can't makea fire with fire sticks, use the sun's rays with a magnifying glass. Cigarette lighters aren't traditional - sacred fireis handmade. Extinguish cigar by putting it back in the tube and capping. Carbon monoxide will extinguish it, and untilit does the remaining heat in the tube makes a fine moxa stick for stimulating acupuncture points. Now in tube ash from the head will mix with the soggy toe alleviating the need for freebasing further. Just take it outand continue in this way. The head will always stay capable of relighting. In this way, the cigar will last days, even a week. Keep the cigar tube as Master Pat Uri has instruction on how to make them into a handy, pocket herb vaporiser. Legal even in Australia. And so I end here and bow to you good forum people, may you pursue the Noble Path of wisdom with High blessings. Xian-Qi Wang - Ghost Doctor - for Master Pat Uri.​