Daevorn Posted July 17, 2003 Looking for the Ancient Coca Plant, if anyone has one to sell or have seeds or anything , it would be greatly appreciated? Thanks daevorn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stonehenge Posted July 18, 2003 What is an "ancient" coca plant? I know the coca plant though I don't have any. I knew a vendor who occasionally could get them out of s. america. You sent him the money and the seeds were sent directly to you. I never tried it because I got burnt on other seeds from the same guy. Coca seeds must be fresh or they don't sprout. stoney Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted July 20, 2003 use the search button, i do remeber a post, (i think by torsten) giving a source (mg). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thelema Posted July 21, 2003 that would be e nova tho, not e coca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted July 21, 2003 I can say with reasonable certainty that E.coca is NOT in australia. Many people misrepresent E.novo to be E.coca - usually out of ignorance rather than intention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stonehenge Posted July 21, 2003 What is e. novo like? Does it have cocaine in it? What are the active ingredients? I see e novo offered here and there. I've seen e coca being offered but there is considerable doubt about whether you get the seeds or not and if they will sprout and are the right seeds. I've seen message boards where they offer them and people say they got ripped off then you see several messages from new posters saying they did get them but they all sound like the same person. There is an established vendor who will sell the seeds by drop shipment but customers have said they got ripped or the seeds didn't sprout. It's a jungle out there. Stoney Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted July 21, 2003 don't you make me look like i don't know the difference of e's. reading the post,it was not clear, what the member was looking for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DazedSol Posted July 21, 2003 My friend tells me the established vendor with the e. novo is the real deal.......less he is still selling them out of season(making seeds too old to be viable)......but maybe the people who say they were 'ripped off' didnt understand how to germinate the seeds? i dunno...either way all erythroms are hard to find Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daevorn Posted July 21, 2003 yes, i am looking for the e.coca which the ancient civilizations used to use. daevorn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted July 21, 2003 i just finished reading "one river" by wade davis and it was excellent. In in he decribes Tim plowmans theories on the origin of coca according to his fieldwork E coca is the montane type, is an outcrosser (a more primitive trait) and the the Coca of Bolivia and the Andes.It is propagated by seed sown in seed beds under shade and planted out after gradual hardening for several months On the eastern side of the andes in the Tropical lowlands is a degenerate variety of E coca propagated by cuttings simply stuck in the ground, it is a cultigen (apparently the seed is no good but if it were taken back to the original climate maybe the seeds would be viable again?) To the north is a drought hardy variety known as Trujillo coca grown in irrigated fields. It is an outcrosser like E coca and a cultigen but is classed as belonging to the other species E novagranatense var trujillense due to the flavonoid and oil contents of the leaves which it shares with its cousin, Colombian coca. Colombian coca is E novagranatense its grows in the humid and tropical lowlands, is propagated by seed and is self fertile unlike the others, it is considered hardy. This appears to be the variety in Australia and in Java. Im not sure what species are cultivated in Taiwan or Ceylon but again its probabaly E novo E coca crosses with trujillo to form abnormal offspring. Colombian and trujillo cross to form fertile offspring. I dont know about the Ipadu form. There are many many wild varieties of coca - referred to throughout the books as being the 'coca of their grandfathers'. being too strong or just growing nearby and sometimes being used to adulterate the cultivated coca. Its quite possibel that 'too strong' referes to the presence of tropanes. which are the most common type of alkaloids found in the genus with cocaine being restricted to 17 species mostly in trace amounts except for these 4 cultivated forms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted July 22, 2003 planthelper - don't be so paranoid. I wasn't even thinking of you when I made that comment. I know that you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted July 22, 2003 not you tort obviosly, but thelema. and i think i gave an e.coca source aswell once on this forum. in case it can't be found the people interressted have to PM me for the e-mail of this guy (dave). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by planthelper: not you tort obviosly, but thelema. Ooops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thelema Posted July 25, 2003 yeah i didnt mean it either. cos i just didnt know whether you knew which one they sold, not that you didnt know the difference between them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted July 25, 2003 nullo problemo. :cool: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theobromos Posted July 29, 2003 E. novogranatense would appear to be the best to grow for recreational use, it is faster, bigger and more tolerant to light. And just as strong in cocaine, if you like that sort of thing. I much prefer chocolate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daevorn Posted July 29, 2003 I much prefer chocolate too. :0) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
