Torsten Posted June 4, 2005 01/06/05 - News and city section Sex experiment killed man A man died after a sexual experiment involving dental anaesthetic went badly wrong, an inquest heard today. David Baron, 58, was found dead wearing women's clothes and hooked up to a machine pumping out nitrous oxide. His wife Carol found him wearing a skirt and bra on the floor of his dressing room at the family home in Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire. The inquest heard Mr Baron had experimented with medical gas before, but his wife said it was just to relax himself. She told the inquest that on two occasions she had brought him round after he had slipped into unconsciousness while using gas. The couple had been going through divorce proceedings and were sleeping in separate rooms, so it was not until Mr Baron failed to get up in the morning that his body was discovered in September last year. The machine Mr Baron used to deliver the gas to a mask he wore was designed for dental anaesthesia. But the Gloucester inquest heard it was faulty and was delivering only nitrous oxide rather than a mixture of nitrous oxide and oxygen. The cause of death was given as hypoxia and asphyxia due to the inhalation of nitrous oxide. Cheltenham and Cotswolds Coroner Alan Crickmore recorded a verdict of accidental death. "I think on this occasion David Baron was fulfilling his erotic fantasies," he said. "That is clear from pictures found surrounding him and the way he was dressed. The link cannot be denied. "I think this was a sexual experiment which went very badly, and unintentionally, wrong." [ 04. June 2005, 07:30: Message edited by: Torsten ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thelema Posted June 4, 2005 sounds like he strapped the mask on. stupid mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted June 4, 2005 likely, but not the only way. when you have enough nitrous in your system and no oxygen (such as after inhaling from a handheld mask) you simply stop breathing. if you don't get snapped out at the point where your face goes blue you may well die. I lived with an emergency nurse during my nitrous phase and she would always draw the line at blue lips. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pisgah Posted June 5, 2005 Yeah, that's how a buddy of mine died. He was holding the mask, but just stopped breathing. The odds are pretty good he was on pain pills at the time as well... fucking stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted June 6, 2005 i can't wait till my next visit to the dentist, laughing gas makes me soooooooo horny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted June 6, 2005 why wait? nitrous is the bomb i didnt say it originally but something quite profound was aid to me the other night about it something along the lines of facilitating your journey beyond the normal limits As a dissociative its parralells with DMT and salvinorin can be striking particularly on top of other psychedelics [ 06. June 2005, 10:35: Message edited by: Rev ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marsha Posted June 6, 2005 nitrous oxide can be easily sourced from your local hi performance speed/engine shop . "Full bottle of Nitrous gas included in the cost, to refill a 15 kg bottle cost $88.00, with at least 15 runs minimum down the 1/4 mile." vroom vroom [ 06. June 2005, 11:07: Message edited by: YoWiE ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted June 6, 2005 where do i get a 15kg bottle? any plans for 'scrubbers' out there? ie humidification /filtration what dangers are associated with non medical grade nitrous? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thelema Posted June 6, 2005 Aren't such bottles infected with mustard or a bittering agent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodbob Posted June 6, 2005 I doubt it I'd suggest it would be H2S which is a nerve toxin. Can be scrubbed with NaOH if it is H2S. I could be wrong. Edit: Well BOC gas uses Sulfur dioxide & CO2 which can also be scrubbed with NaOH. [ 06. June 2005, 12:38: Message edited by: bloodbob ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
occidentalis Posted June 6, 2005 So just bubble it through a NaOH solution? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodbob Posted June 6, 2005 More or less yes. I could be wrong about the additives so get the MSDS for the product first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted June 6, 2005 Yhere are a couple of nitrogen oxides in technical grade nitrous. one of these is a potent nerve toxin that causes permanent damage. I think all oxides are acidic, so an EFFICIENT alkaline scrubber could theoretically produce a good product. Home made dodgy bubblers are not advisable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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AndyAmine. Posted June 7, 2005 Back in the "old days" a friends brother was a mad keen drag racer (265 Hemi, turbo, super charged with Nitrous in a Datsun 120-y !!! but thats another story) Anyhoo, we would just bring up the tank to his bedroom, get a garbage bag and tape a toilet-roll to the mouth and let-er rip.. needless to say we had some pretty amazing journies, particulary when comming down from parties.. I dont rememebr any real problems although I was like a chiminy stack back then, if its burned I would smoke it... after we learnd about hydrogen sulphide we chnaged back to bulbs or slurry... A frined had a setup making nitrous from a Potasium-nitrate slurry with a scrubber attached.. that was the sweetest N2O EVER... If your going for bulbs, ALWAYS go for ISI brand, they have upto 80% N20 versus the Whippets which can go way below 50% down to 20%... I was speaking to a girl the other week whos parents are an (or maybe the) OZ distrubuters for ISI bulbs, my bro asked her in conversation whayt she did with all her empty bulbs because he was thinking of making some artwork out of tem, she said "When I get a dumpster full I return them for scrap metal, good way to buy more bulbs" I shit you not! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted June 7, 2005 AndyAmine.:A frined had a setup making nitrous from a Potasium-nitrate slurry with a scrubber attached.. that was the sweetest N2O EVER... for the love of humanity please extrapolate :D :D :D KN03 is stocked in every rural store Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Owtovit Posted June 7, 2005 Found this on the web... Its for turing ammonium nitrate into nitrous oxide. Don't know how accurate this all is coming from the web. I'd get someone with some good chemistry knowledge (ie. a degree, *not* just high school chem) to look it over before you give it a go though... I think that potassium nitrate might be able to be substituted, cos it and ammonium nitrate have got kind of similar oxidising properties, but as I've only done chemistry in high school (and that was a few years ago now...) I'd ask someone with a bit more chemical knowledge to inform you if it can be substitued. ------------------------------------------------- !!!!!!!!WARNING!!!!!!!! DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!! NITRATES ARE EXTREMELY POWERFULL OXODISERS AND CAN CAUSE *LARGE* EXPLOSIONS IF YOU ARE NOT CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT YOU NEED: -------------- o Ammonium Nitrate (NH4NO3) - get a good grade, it's a fertilizer and comes in 50lb. bags. Also available from lab supply companies like VW&R or American Scientific at a much greater cost. o Clean sand. Fairly fine grained (30 mesh or finer.) If you collect your and you get fresh water sand, it will be necessary to wash it thoroughly with water then dry it before using. You must also wash the sand before reusing it. o Electric hot plate (500 to 2500 watt) with variable heat. o Stainless steel dial thermometer. (This is the only metal item which may be used.) It must go to 250 C (450 F). Select the Erlenmeyer flask (next item) and the thermometer so that the thermometer can reach at least within 1/16" of the bottom of the flask through the stopper. o A 2000 to 4000 ml PYREX or KIMAX Erlenmeyer flask. o Several feet of 3/8" clear vinyl or surgical rubber tubing. o At least 4 8mm ID glass or plastic tubing "T's". o 1 120 degree bend 8mm ID PYREX glass elbow, with about 3" of tubing on each side of the bend. o 7 6-8" long pieces of 8mm ID glass or plastic tubing. o 3 6-8 feet long 1.5" to 2" diameter glass or clear plastic pipes. o 1 two hole rubber or neoprene stopper to fit the top of the Erlenmeyer flask. One hole should fit the 8mm ID PYREX glass elbow, and the other hole should fit the stainless steel dial thermometer. o 6 one hole rubber or neoprene stoppers that will fit the ends of the clear plastic or glass pipes. The holes in the stoppers must fit the straight 8mm ID glass or plastic tubes. NH NO ----------------------> N O + 2*H O 4 3 2 2 Ammonium nitrous two Nitrate oxide water Set-up ------ If you've gotten this far - remember - you MUST meet the exact quiality specifications of the equipment list. If you really want a do-it-yourself nitrous oxide generator, you want a sturdy set-up you can over and over and enjoy again and again! See IFF files included for the diagram of the set-up. Assembly -------- NOTE: When inserting tubing through stopper holes, ALWAYS WRAP AND HOLD THE TUBING WITH A CLOTH. Also moisten the tip of the tubing and the stopper hole with glycerin, soap, or spit. (never oil) 1> Into the stopper with two holes, inset the thermometer far enough so that when the stopper is put into the Erlenmeyer flask, it almost touches the bottom of the flask (but don't allow it to touch), and then insert one end of the glass elbow far enough through the stopper so that it sticks out 1/4" to 1/2". 2> Into the six one-hole stoppers, insert a piece of the 8mm ID glass (or plastic) tubing so that 1/2" to 3/4" protrudes from the narrow end of the stopper. 3> Now select your set-up space so that there is 1.5 feet of space clear in all directions around the hotplate, so that the three scrubber pipes can lie side by side where they will not be knocked over. 4> Take approximately 2 feet of the 3/8" flexible tubing and connect one end to the glass elbow in the two-hole stopper, and the other end to the middle of one of the 8mm ID glass (or hard plastic) "T's". 5> With short pieces (select lengths for a neat fit) of 3/8" tubing and another 8mm "T" assemble the INLET SET manifold and connect it to the bottom end of the scrubbers. Stoppers may then be inserted into the lower end of the scrubber pipes. 6> Elevate the OUT end of the scrubber pipes so that the upper end is 6" to 8" above the IN end, but no more, and then fill the pipes with water until they are full within 4" to 8" of the top (outlet) end, and insert the outlet stoppers. Try to fill all the scrubbers equally full. 7> With short pieces of 3/8" tubing and two 8mm ID "T's", prepare and connect the OUTLET SET manifold to the scrubbers similar to the way the set was connected in step 5. 8> To the last "T" of the OUTLET SET (of "T's" manifold), connect a fairly long piece of 3/8" tubing to reach a "safe" location (where connection and disconnection of the receiver bags will not disturb the scrubbers) and secure it. Then put the last piece of 8mm ID hard tubing into the free end. 9> Finally, prepare several receiever bags by inserting about an 8" piece of tubing into the top so that 3" or 4" sticks out of the bag and secure it in place with a rubber band. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONGRATULATIONS < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < You are now the proud owner of your very own Nitrous Oxide Generator. Operation --------- First, prepare a quantity of a mixture containing 1/3 sand and 2/3 ammonium nitrate. Then pour enough of the mixture into the erlenmeyer flask to give 1.5" to 2" in the bottom of the flask. Put the flask onto the hotplate, and insert the two-hole stopper, firmly but not too tight. < stopper is your safety valve while the system is operating.>> --BUT-- WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING W W A Once the heating of the mixture in the erlenmeyer flask has started A R you MUST REMOVE the two-hole stopper from the flask before turning R N off the heat. Otherwise as the flask starts to cool off, it will N I draw water from the scrubbers back into the hot flask and may crack I N or EXPLODE the erlenmeyer flask with the steam formed inside. N G G WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING Now you may begin heating the flask. Turn the hotplate to medium or medium-high and watch the thermometer. If the temperature climbs very fast, turn the hotplate down, but be patient about turning it up. Occasional bubbles will be noted going through the scrubbers as the air in the system expands. At 210 C (410 F) a yellowish to orange-brown will begin filling the flask, and the bubbling throught the scrubbers will become steady. At this time, adjust the upper end heights of the scrubber tubes so that each one gets about the same amount of gas passing through it. Keep your eye on the temperature, and it should not climb much over the 210-220 C (410-430 F) marks. Also the gas at the top of the scrubbers MUST BE PERFECTLY COLORLESS! Otherwise, turn down the heat setting. If the gas flow is too low to give a steady flow throught all three scrubbers, increase the heat slightly. Once you've run your system a time or two, you'll know what your operating settings are. As soon as the gas flow is steady and clean, connect a receiving bag to the final outlet tube, and allow the bag to fill. It may be necessary to add more amonium nitrate-sand mixture to the flask from time to time -- wear gloves as the flask will be HOT when removing the stopper. It is also a good idea to turn off the hotplate while the stopper is out of the flask. Once you've filled a few bags with laughing gas, you're ready to try some. Just inhale from the bag and hold it in as long as you can. You'll know what to do from there. ------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps you Rev! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyAmine. Posted June 9, 2005 Rev, you should have a few dif preps in those practical Chem books I sent you. particularly Grandads wonderful book of chemistry and Vogels practical organic chem. Happy reading Ahh, such fond memories, I used to be so hooked on N20 is wasnt funny.. such addictive stuff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites