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possible peruv X?

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the seller of these said they were grown from imported pachnoi seeds.

they dont look very pachnoi to me so i was wondering if any1 thinks they look like a peruvianus or pachnoi x peruvianus or something else all together?

peruvianus is my best guess but i havnt really grown any true torches to compare to and the first one looks like pics i see of peruvians on here

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They look very similar to seedlings myself and a couple others here have grown from seed labelled as T pachanoi. Gerbil has posted some excellent pictures of his plants. Similar to Icaro peruvi, they tend to grow into beautiful blue fatties.

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While in NZ, I saw a similar looking plant labelled as pachanoi outside of a supermarket in Wellington. Was showing some monstrose growth. Would have bought it if I had any hope of bringing it back home.

edit: typo

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yeah we just brought some peruvianus Icaro seedlings which look pretty spot on to this.

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fat blue type, a form allied with the name T pachanoi, T peruvianus and on occasion T macrogonus

It is commonly considered a T peruvianus by most who grow them, many seed sources sell seed of this material as T pachanoi, nobody i know who has ordered seed sold as T pachanoi has ever got anything but fat blue plants for some reason, though we are waiting to see how the KK339 seedlings look when they get older

you can buy this seed in bulk, a major US cactus seed nursery sells/sold seed that grew this form, as T pachanoi, when I asked about it i was told it was sold to them by the grower (who was not in the Andean region) and it was sold to them as T pachanoi, and so kept that label

taxonomists may argue that pachanoi and peruvianus are the same species, and thus the seed is not mislabeled, but the fat blue form is rather specific and unique, though widely grown. Again most in the know would call this peruvianoid seed, seed retailers don't really have any reason to label the seed as the proper species, they are in it to sell it, not ID it.

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oh yea true.

i just got an icaro peruv seedling 2 but mines tiny. the spine colour is the same as #1 and 3 tho

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