Tongkat Ali / Eurycoma longifolia at a reasonable price?

[bandario]

I am looking to start taking Tongkat extract as part of my training diet. Wondering if anyone knows of a reputable source for some proper strength extract? $15 for 12 10:1 capsules would leave a fairly significant hole in my wallet at 3 capsules per day per run.

Many thanks for any information!

I know a fair few people are using this stuff for various reasons, they have to be getting it from somewhere.

[ThunderIdeal]

i don't know, but torsten said prices were high everywhere or something to that effect. the product you have chosen is the same i would choose, because it does state the quantity you are receiving. if the product doesn't state the quantity then you'd have to assume it is low.

edit: if you receive any good advice by pm, could you please pass it on to me?

Edited April 21, 2009 by ThunderIdeal

[neo1]

I am looking to start taking Tongkat extract as part of my training diet. Wondering if anyone knows of a reputable source for some proper strength extract? $15 for 12 10:1 capsules would leave a fairly significant hole in my wallet at 3 capsules per day per run.

Many thanks for any information!

I know a fair few people are using this stuff for various reasons, they have to be getting it from somewhere.

I use to be a bodybuilder until I got hit with a rare bladder cond. However I still go the gym quite a bit, I am very lucky to be able to still go after my illness and everything that happen to me.

I got some from SAB, I have low Test, and I get a shot a month of test from my doctor, its only 200mg of test, but its not a lot really for whole month is not.

My free test(even with the 200mg a month test shot) was around 33L(stand for Low) the normal range is around (45-245 free male test levels) That's not totally, that's the free testosterone. The free is what the body can feel!

The total testosterone for males is around (0-1000nl\dl-total) and that really doesn't really tell you shite!!!!!! Its insurances little loop hole way of getting out of paying for low testosterone!!! I freaken hate Greedy ass insurances!!!

Ass holes!!!

But yea but anyway, I am trying to get it up naturally, and sooner or later get rid of the shot from the GP. I really don't care for it. My testis have not got any small and i been on it for around 5-6 months. That whole your testis get small its really not true unless your uses a lot of the stuff for long periods of time, and its depends on what anabolic steroid compound you use also(they all do slightly different things!!!, they are not all the same or=) its not like everybody thinks your testis turn to the size of pea over night. With moderate doses they don't get smaller at all. People are completely idiots when it comes to anabolic steroids, even doctors, "especially doctors!!!!!!."

You see, I am a bit older now, and do not want to just push my luck with that shite either!!!(even if the doctor is willing to give me more) I am 32 now, and do not feel as bullet proof as I use to in my 20'a with that kind of shite!!! So I just don't want to go pushing the doses, plus I am on a few other meds that could cause problems down the road)example, test+blank+blank+blank=fuck up shite!!!, My fears are, namely stoke, early high blood pressure, right(the main pump of the heart to the body) ventral heart in enlargement(not good, heart has to work harder could lead to heart attack), prostate enlargement, over night hair loss (which nobody in their 20=30's wants to lose their hair-again depends a lot on your gene of your parents, but there many natural supplement and simple things you can do or take to slow this process down!! even if your a prone to it by your genes, example saw palmento-lowers DHT by blocking the enyme that turns test, in a dihyro form of it. (testosterone converting to dihydrotestosterone in the skin and main clogging up the sweat glands(and thinking the skin and cutting off nut's to the root of the hair itself, which is very real side effect!!) breast growth(from testosterone in the body converting to estrogen, I never had a problem with it, but some men are just most prone to it then others)

Again, I would never tell a person to use them, if the didn't medically need them. The reason for me getting a shot through the doctor(which I don't control) is I been on pain meds for a rare cond, and over time, heavy pain meds lowers you testosterone, its just does. Takes a while before it happens, but once it start to happen, its down hill from there on!!! But I got to have them for the pain, its catch 22. They suck, but if the pains bad enough, you got to have them, sorry, just part of the deal!! I am trying to low my dosage of them at this time, and hope to get down to next to nothing dosage wise of my pain meds. its a real bitch, but it is what it is!

yea, I just start the SAB Tongkat extra strength. I can't say how its working yet. I think it takes time, natural stuff works over time, its not like drugs, drugs work quick, that's why every body loves them!! including me!!, but the long term is no good, that's the problem!! with them!! its the "long term!!!" extremely hard on the body over time, that's the real problem with a lot of these drugs you can get from the doctor(for real medical problems, even if taken right!!!)

can be over time, extremely hard on the body, that's all I can say, and it doesn't matter if they are non addictive, or addictive or what ever the fuck!!! They mostly are all hard on the body over time!! They just are!! But that the same time, you can't do without them some times, it again it's a catch 22!!!

That's why I am looking to more natural stuff to help me with my health problems, its working, but its slow going!! extremely slow going!!!

But over all I think this natural stuff is better for you then drugs are. But sometimes it just doesn't have the kick a drug is going to have, that's the only down side I will report back and how i do with it. I got 2 bottles of it. Take one a day, let it build up over time. instead of time too many at once. We will see......

I will give you a heads up if its worth it or not, but i have a feeling its going to be worth its weight in Gold though, "over time."

See you

J

Edited April 22, 2009 by neo1

[Torsten]

actually, both mucuna and tongkat work very fast. the difference is measurable within a few days.

My testosterone crashed about a year ago for some reason. I got it back to within normal range with the tongkat and mucuna. However my doc recently referred me to an endocrinologist so I stopped taking all supplements to get back to baseline - which it did in about 2 weeks.

so yeah, they work, they work quick, but sadly the benefit doesn't hang around for long.

oh yeah, also women who take tongkat can get really horny and very bossy in a matter of hours!

[neo1]

actually, both mucuna and tongkat work very fast. the difference is measurable within a few days.

My testosterone crashed about a year ago for some reason. I got it back to within normal range with the tongkat and mucuna. However my doc recently referred me to an endocrinologist so I stopped taking all supplements to get back to baseline - which it did in about 2 weeks.

so yeah, they work, they work quick, but sadly the benefit doesn't hang around for long.

oh yeah, also women who take tongkat can get really horny and very bossy in a matter of hours!

Just be careful with the test shot stuff, they work great!! but long term is not really that good for you, but it can be a life saver too!! Its a hard called, but if you need them you need them, you know, its just how it is.

I tend to not want to push the dose of the test, plus my doctor is not really like that idea either. MAin problem is blood pressure problem over time, can lead to stoke, and other mess up problems I am don't even want to get in here, and they are not going to tell this stuff.

But, overall, I think the whole anabolic steroid whole "fear" thing is mostly B Fucking S!!! But its can have some effects!! also!! its like Iboga root, respect it and it will respect you back.

However, if not really respected for what it is, and you "could" be heading for trouble... The whole Roid rage thing, is a bit over streched, BUT IT'S DOES HAPPEN, IN SOME PEOPLE!! But if you are of sound mind, and never hurt anybody before, I really doubt that going to happen, but again, its a drug, and we all know drugs can do strange things to different types of people in the wrong setting or time a persons life.

Its not one size fits all. It not always clear cut either!! Pain meds and really have a effect of test. levels over time, plus if you on other drugs,(which "I mean Legal" drugs form a GP, mainly downers!! they can slow everything down thus lowering test levels, its make sense when you think about it... you know. plus its depend on how long you been on them too!!(meds of many types, can do it, some more then others)

Just be careful T(wouldn't want anything to happen to you, because I truly do care, sorry for my out burst, I can a little bipolar some times(got it mild though, and know its not a exuse to like a idiot though, been taking Iboga Root bark and I been having wakening about others and it not just all about me type shite!!! We and humans tend to think its all about us, and then we find it, IT NOT!!! AND THAT OTHER LIFES ARE ON THE LINE!! AND ITS OTHER PEOPLE NECKS!!!!!! and people like me need to respect what people willing to do, because of the drug war, its not a fucking joke, not to say i think u would get in trouble for sending a narrow leaf plant to me, but I understand you not wanting to do it.... The old I get, then more I "GET IT" especially if you have built up a shop and have worked your ass off to keep it going..... Forgive me being not sensitive to you on that, I should have been. And My completely out of plant rant

with herbistics with completely out of line!! Hey, what I am out of line, I got no problem telling people so, and SAYING, I WAS OUT OF LINE!!! and really mean it!! I am good guy, I just been through a hell a lot(made me kind of crazy, but still if you really knew me, I'm the type to give my shirt off my back to help me

follow men, not I expect everybody else to be the same, because I don't!! But in the end their not excuse to act like a idiot and I don't have I been through, I am learn they are many people you would even know it, they been through quite a bit to, so it does not give me the right to go all off the wall and shite.

Anyway, sorry if I ever hurt you feeling....

See you

Just trying to give you some inside info on the test shot stuff. But again, use caution, before I would thought 600mg a month was nothing, but with adderall for ADD(not being able to get out of bed some day from the pain meds) +xanax(which i just started taking to help me sleep when I lowering my morphine, got it down to around 90mg, got off that horrible ass methadone(down right toxic!! over time I mean) nasty stuff to have to get on, but there was a time I was on the needle, and it got me off it, and I don't abuse my pain meds or anymore for that matter now, I just don't!!!. As bad as methadone is, its does have some very good uses!!! its block the opiates sites, and helps kind of in a strange way resets of the u-opiates receptors in the brain(some how) and over time, my addictive and complusive behavior was nearly completely change!! took a long times!! 5+ years or more on around 80-120mg, but its did work, and as bad as methadone truly is, I tell you the straight facts, the drug really whole hearty, SAVED MY FUCKING LIFE!!! I would have been dead with creepy crawlers

going up my nose and body while it be rotting in the ground from losing control over my pain meds,(back in the day, not now! now I take them completely the way they to be taken and no way other wise!!!!!

However, as a result of all this my test free was at 9 normal range is (45-245) Remember to make SURE THEY GET YOUR FREE TESTOSTERONE!! THAT WHAT THE BODY WILL FEEL!! The total testosterone is WORTHLESS as it could be all bound up and not interacting with the blood and body right. The free is what ou really want to know.

Again though, if the test is taken in moderation, with not too many other drugs and once, its farely safe, but we both now, NOTHING, is completely risk free in life, so would suggest requesting the lowest dose you can get by with.

I on 200mg a mont, which really is not a lot, but, T, I just don't want the side effects, namely hair loos. I just don't want to go into light speed hair loss, you know what i mean, I guess I am just vain like that LOL!!!

See you T, good luck with that, again but be informed, and read up on it, its not as hard as people think to learn a bit about how the whole process works, I also would try to read up on the different compound(steroids) you can take, though I doubt you get much other then plan old test shot. Which is not the best long term, but hey it does the trick soooo why bitch.. you know..

deca would be safer steroid long term but doctors are so uneducated about anabolic steroid that they think its something just for probodybuilder and pro sport, and it because of media play's into the BULL SHITE! but it is what it is, nothing new, that's for sure!! and that's the stupid ass world we live in, like it or hate it, it is what it is.

At least the docs understand the need to help men with this, as before they just told you to live with it, so things are changing, slowly which is a good thing!!

be careful

See u

J

Edited April 23, 2009 by neo1

[Evil Genius]

Torsten, how did you realise that your testosterone has crashed? By blood test or by your sexual behaviour? I wonder how a person can recognize low testosterone without a blood test! What were the symptoms? I did countless blood tests but no GP ever mentioned Testosterone! Oh wait, my Urologist measured it once but it was ok! Nevertheless i feel like i´m not as horny as when i was a 16 yo! Is that a symptome of low testosterone? bye Eg

[neo1]

Torsten, how did you realise that your testosterone has crashed? By blood test or by your sexual behaviour? I wonder how a person can recognize low testosterone without a blood test! What were the symptoms? I did countless blood tests but no GP ever mentioned Testosterone! Oh wait, my Urologist measured it once but it was ok! Nevertheless i feel like i´m not as horny as when i was a 16 yo! Is that a symptome of low testosterone? bye Eg

Mainly low energy!!!! that's a big symptom of it.

But its kind hard to tell sometimes.

My biggest problem with was low energy, which I not even getting enough to fix(because all the media hoop la!!!, over them!!) that I am just don't have the balls I use to have with these freaken medications anymore!! its a bit of both, me and my doctor(and the media!!!!)

But my other big problem was, I just could not recover from any work out!!! it would take weeks!!! to get over my leg workouts!! weeks!! and then I still felt screwed!!

With the shot I heal from my workouts much quicker!! meaning it does not take "weeks!" to recover from one work out!!!!

1. No energy

2. Recovery

Though were my biggest things.

But again, the test shot is not a cure all either!! there are risk involved.............. How much risk, depend, of course on how much the dose, the hight the dosage, the more side effects.

namely, hair loss, and acne! But it can be manage, but its not the funest stuff to go though either. And also it can make your body dependent on it, and then you own testosterone will shut down, thus leading to small testis.(I have not notice this in me, because I am getting a very low dose, and I also take natural supplements to help force my own body to start jump starting making my own so I never get too dependent on the shot for my testosterone, its a good mix I think, but I do worry about the long term of being on a freaken stupid ass shot, "long term". But for now, it helps and I think I am going to keep with.

The problem are, long term, can be increase liver enzymes, which can get quite high if on for long periods of time, and kidney enzymes can be problematic also. But over all, its usually not much of a problem, in less your takes extreme doses, for long periods of time.

Edited April 25, 2009 by neo1

[Evil Genius]

Thanks for the Info, Neo! That was a good post! One of your best Posts, up to now! bye Eg

Edited April 25, 2009 by Evil Genius

[neo1]

Thanks for the Info, Neo! That was a good post! One of your best Posts, up to now! bye Eg

Yea, i know a phone book of knowledge about health, not so much plants "yet"

rainforest plants still throwing me. some. cactus seem to be the easiest thus far for me to grow.

Rainforest plants seem to be quite hard, however, I have another rainforest plant and its doing pretty good, can't really believe it!! those things are much tougher then you would think!!!

But, rainforest plants is throwing me.

I think I need a low NPK organic, not these hardcore organic fertilizers I been trying to use. I am sure they are great for older plants, but young plants, I think they are about worthless!! less then worthless, down right hurtful!! Organic have NPK values 3-4 time higher then what it says on the NPK, they can be quite strong!

If you can help me out, man, I would love the help, anything you could tell me. The humidity, I got down, got me a humidifier, but its still a mess I guess. Was doing kind of good with my first plant until a stupid cheap ass light fell on it!! fucked the hell out of it.

My other one look ok, but its the big leaves got a few brown spots on it. I check the Ph is was kind of low, I don't know what the Ph is spose to be for these plants...

Oh, guess I will learn. Got some play sand, but don't a shiftier. and I don't know what type to get either!!

Gong to go to the garden center to today and get a few things. soil mainly. Trying to keep it organic. Nothing wrong with the other, but I just think its better, but could be wrong.. who knows!

See you

J

Edited April 25, 2009 by neo1

[Evil Genius]

Great thanks! bye Eg

Edited April 25, 2009 by Evil Genius

[neo1]

Neo, thats a cool plant! Congratulations! But i have the feeling that you just incriminated yourself! I dont tink that your little sidenote will help! Please edit your post accordingly! bye Eg

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