Pedophile Piggy

[incognito]

awesome. peace bro. *hugs*

[Jesus On Peyote]

Ah Happy ending ,

now lets go shoot us some pedophiles..

[Vertmorpheus]

Napolean complex? Are you short Sina? I never realised... You don't act short.... eh, learn something new everyday.

So this guy had a verging on non existant, or largely irrelevant stash of child porn, and might have some kind of a problem in any case... but then it's wrong that the FBI may have reached the same conclusion as far as preferential targets goes? Crazy :D

Jono, the parentcard is the fucker isnt it, haha... Used to get under my skin and itch like fibreglass undies... but its true. Well, mostly. Obviously theres much less than ideal people who are technically parents, but aren't very... parentally wired. And there's people without kids that genuinely care about their welfare. But the only real excuse or reason a parent can trot out when they start acting all...parental... is "I'm a parent, if you're not going to help with the marks on the carpet you can fuck off" and all the other breeders go "ahh...poor guy...listen mate if you want to hide out in my shed for a couple hours anytime..." and all the non parents say "Listen here , I own a lhasa apso and a range of houseplants, don't you talk to me about parenting!". haha.

Sick stuff either way... I guess there's SOMETHING to be said in favor of a judge leaning more to the side of caution than condemnation... better 10 guilty men free than one innocent put away, etc... but its a bit on the nose.

VM

[incognito]

yeah true vert,

i dunno, ive always had a hatred of pedos long,long before i became a parent, and for reasons im not that comfortable sharing on a public forum. ive got no sympathy nor empathy for the dirty cowardly fucks.

and ive never, ever said ' u couldnt understand because u dont have kids.' not once, not ever.

i still stand by the fact i never pulled that one out on my good mate sina. yeah we hav our bitches but i still count him amongst my good mates and ive always got a hug and a bulb for him always and forever. hes a good man.

i dont even wanna know how u lnow that.

Err, by examining the FACTS. You know, the actual content of siezed child porn HAS to be examined, and most of it has been found to be containing legal 18+ actors. Of course you won't hear this in police media releases or from CNN, but usually in psychology papers addressing pedophilia and child porn.

so theres proof in psychology papers that most pedophillia and child porn is performed by 18+ actors?

geez for some reason that does not put my mind at ease.

and this is a fact right? i dunno man..... im definately not convinced.

i know its not true, but for some reason ,in my head, u seem to be defending people who view child pornography?

i mean if a site is advertised as pedophilic, but as u say MOST of it is performed by 18+actors, that makes it okay?? like the viewer is innocent by default? i dunno thats the end of my views on this topic, its making me crook in the guts.

once again, ive never played the parent card, aint my style.

Edited March 16, 2008 by jono

[Auxin]

Not too long ago england chewed my governments ass out because my government was constructing fake child porn and plastering it all over the net to catch pedos. The FBI took young looking models and morphed their pictures so they looked 12 and under (illegal in most countries but legal in the US at the time), so that stuff most defiantly is out there.

I think GW Bushs' various child protection laws ended that but I'm not sure

[Stonehenge]

Yeah, this whole thing is a major emotional issue and there is no way we will get any rational debate going. Jono is going to say I defend child molesters even though that is contrary to the facts. I've said over and over that molesters should be punished. And what's this 'chinese' bit? We should shoot anyone accused of anything without benefit of a trial? Yeah, that's a great step forward. Good thinking Jono. I'm sure that will stop all crime. It worked in China, didn't it?

And what about necrophilia and bestiality? That's fairly disgusting too. Shall we lock up anyone who likes to look at those photos? What about gay porn, lock them up too? Shoot 'em? As a matter of fact, those tactics have been tried for years. It had zero effect on homosexuality, bestiality, child molestation and so on. Not saying any of those topics are related but they are looked down on by society.

I don't give a damn what someone is jerking off to in the privacy of their own homes. If that keeps them off the streets and keeps them from acting out, then maybe it does some good. Or we could follow jono's policy and kill anyone accused of it. But, once you establish the precedent, then it can be applied to something you do. Like drugs, or whatever. Don't tell me it's different, I know it's different. But once you let the monster out of the box, it looks for more situations to do it's thing. Punish those who hurt others but not for looking at images if that's all they do.

I'm done here so don't bother with more name calling.

[Vertmorpheus]

Dunno bout rational... I thought we were doing a pretty good job of it til now? Or do you mean rational in the sense of "the guys are saying mean things about mean people" or "noone will ever understand how natural child love is and how its the duty of adults to educate them!"

I always find it interesting, the clearcut differences between people that never quite grew up and view the world as their personal playground, and those that have grown up, and view the world as a place you can have a lot of fun in... once the housework has been taken care of and any nasty weeds have been cut out from fencelines and around the stairs...

"I don't give a damn what someone is jerking off to in the privacy of their own homes."

Really? Wow. You wouldn't mind if someone packraped your mum/sister/niece and then made a tidy profit selling the images of it happening? And then for the bloke next door to be buffing his pig over it, having a nice time of it while they're still getting tested for a dozen kinds of itch, afraid to leave their own homes, afraid to trust anyone ever again...

That's pretty sad to hear really... IME, people that are THAT blase about whats going on next door usually have good reason to not want the judgement of others being imposed on their little habitat... Got yourself some hobbies of the non-sharing kind there?

"Punish those who hurt others but not for looking at images if that's all they do."

"Jono is going to say I defend child molesters even though that is contrary to the facts. I've said over and over that molesters should be punished. "

Ok I'll put this in big hairy letters so its easy for you to understand stone... A LOT OF THOSE IMAGES ARE PRODUCED BY THE VERY ACTS THAT YOU ARE SAYING SHOULD BE PUNISHED, THEY ARE PRODUCED WITH A VIEW TO DISTRIBUTE AND TURN A PROFIT OR TO PROMOTE A SENSE OF SOLIDARITY AND ACCEPTANCE AMONG SOCIAL CIRCLES WHICH ARE SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE TO ANY REASONABLE ADULT MEMBER OF SOCIETY. ONCE YOU REMOVE THE DEMAND, THERE WILL BE MUCH REDUCED SUPPLY, WHICH MEANS LESS NEW PRODUCTION. LIKEWISE, WE SHOULD DO ALL WE CAN TO STOP PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION. Who'd grow poppies if there were no junkies? And who'd end up a junkie without the poppies? Please, if you want to have a "rational debate" at least speak within the confines of your own statements... as for "well it could apply to drugs next!" yknow what? In most ways, it already does anyway...sheesh. there is no similarity at all between drugs, and illicit "sex" (if you can call criminal assault sex). If I grow some seeds out the back, pick em, pack em, have a laugh... it hurts noone. But if I take next doors sons and... pick em and pack em... guess what? I (for the purposes of the statement, of course) might have a laugh but guess what? theyre not. Theyre left needing stitches and antibiotics and counselling and nothing will ever seem quite right or decent to them ever again. No connection, no parallel, beyond them being behaviours that some people dont approve of. Ah well, ya get that. I dont like ppl that mow the lawn at 7am on a sunday either, but I dont for am oment think that "well thats ok cos like what if they said i cant have some plants n stuff?".

Thats a bullshit set of statements from a bullshit kind of mind, and if you dont have a bullshit kind of mind, pay more attention to what you're actually saying. We can only judge you by the material you provide to us ...and even with the great amount of editing and concealment available on an online forum, you still sound like a NAMBLA member Stone.

Sounds like someone has a harddrive of interest , anyways. Or shouldn't be living within x distance of a primary school...

It's hard not to believe that you're speaking from a position of some personal interest there Stone... maybe youre not, but there's not many people on the net saying "legalise cannabis!" that don't smoke the stuff themselves. And its entirely possible to worry about the persectuion of tokers without saying that the only way to keep em safe is to let people pay for, DL, and hoard whatever they like... cos after all, its not like THEY'RE producing it, right? and it keeps em off the streets, right? stops em acting out? yeah ok... and the existance of travel shows and nature docos makes people less likely to go to other countries or look at birds int he backyard, does it? watching "the cook and the chef" makes me much less likely to want to try out the recipes I see being made and enjoyed with much relish? Watching docos about space travel makes me NEVER want to experience zero g... yep, ok. Makes perfect sense to me now.

Stone, you do realise that most of what you've posted is worryingly similar to the remarks that turn up in interview rooms with pedos the world over? Whats next "gays used to be hated, but look at them now...." "but its biology, not society that should define when and how.....". You make me want to take a long hot shower and give my lil girl a hug til she squeaks to be put down again. Seriously. Sick stuff. Subhuman. Baboons think like that, and even then, I'm sure there's other baboons sitting there shaking their heads about it.

To put necrophilia and beastiality (both illegal in Australia, whether you're doing it, or have images thereof...both are a no no, and noone should be shot over em... just put away for a very long time, regardless of profession) in the same category as homosexual acts between consenting adults is just daft... the critical issue here is consent, exploitation, destruction of lives for purposes of profit,or pleasure, not a vague game of moral connect 4. There may be acts you consider personally unappealing but the participants are cool with them... big dif between that and acts that you are cool with, one of the participants is cool with, but the other is either incapable, ill equipped or not given the opportunity to make their own decision, which leads to profound damage both physically and emotionally.

When the ape has had its desires met, the man takes over again... and is appalled.

VM

[Vertmorpheus]

snip.

Edited March 17, 2008 by Vertmorpheus

[incognito]

i know ive broken my promise-but

And what's this 'chinese' bit? We should shoot anyone accused of anything without benefit of a trial? Yeah, that's a great step forward. Good thinking Jono. I'm sure that will stop all crime. It worked in China, didn't it?

read the post dude. i never said anything about chinese firing squads. if u want to hav a go at me at least refer to something ive posted.

man equating gay porn with child-porn is wack man. jesus. that one has done my head in. im sure the gay community is very offended by that statement.

im in total agreeance with sina that all evidence must be looked over carefully before judgement is passed and emotions should not sway the verdict before evidence is examined. But if all evidence points to the guilty verdict, i make no apologies for my beliefs.

[Vertmorpheus]

Do you ever feel the need to apologise for your unapologetic standpoint, Jono?

We sure do live on a whacky lil planet.

VM

[incognito]

still dont get it vert...

umm i guess i do,as i do get rather emotional when it gets to this topic.

was apologising cos i said id but out then butted bak in..

but yeah no apologies otherwise

how about u?

Edited March 18, 2008 by jono

[Jesus On Peyote]

Ahh, im the one that mentioned the chinese firing squads,not jonoboy , and only for child molesters.

This beastality and necro stuff are already illegal in 95% of the world..dont mean to sound like a wank, but i think you might dabble the internet too much there stonehenge.

Anyway,Im not a parent,(i am an uncle) but all it takes is common sense and a moral\human view in life to down right hate anyone who is capable of EXPLOITING a CHILD and profiting from it. THEY should be shot, we dont need the chinese firing squads,we can do that ourselfs. Especially when charged people are out in less then a decade.

Then theres the people that look at that stuff and help finance the people doing it, "supply/demand" thing. They shouldget LONG prison terms if they are proven and guilty. (but that costs tax payers, it uses food, and in this overpopulated world,who needs scum like that) So personally, ild be willing to shoot them too. again, after all is proven. we dont want to be shooting prospective innocents people.

And who cares if his life was in danger if he went to prison?their solution instead of prison is to let him walk? bollox.

And again,like i said b4, linking drugs and child molestation is bollox times 2. like i think Vert said me personally walking outside to pick a few leafs or flowers doesent hurt anyone, maybe in some cases myself, but im doing it.

Even in worst case where people go to get the more illicit drugs.. there may be some harm done to people in that depending on how they run their trade, but whoever does, if anyone, knows their personal risk.. and and it certainly doesent involve MOLESTATION.

PS- stonehenge-

I don't give a damn what someone is jerking off to in the privacy of their own homes. If that keeps them off the streets and keeps them from acting out, then maybe it does some good. Or we could follow jono's policy and kill anyone accused of it

Jono never mentioned a word that had anything to do with a firing squad, and i never mentioned shooting anyone accused , only Guilty. call me hardline or crazy or whatever, but that is the only crime i can contribute worth a death sentence. i actually find it sickening even thinking about it while im typing this shite.

Ending, Child molestation isent a crime, its a crime against humanity...you cannot target defenseless children,(no matter how loud and annoying they might be at times (uncle ). Its wrong, it represents much of what the word EVIL stands for.

[Stonehenge]

So I take it that all you self righteous types are just fine with it as long as no money changes hands? Is that what you are saying? I don't want to get your drivel mixed up. Nasty images are bad because some bad person might be making money off it. Is that your rant? I'm sure I left something out but I keep hearing that over and over again. So if they get it for free, you are fine with it then, correct?

No, that was just an excuse to rant on and make more idiotic accusations against me and against anyone trying to talk sense. You don't care if it's free or if it's produced by a computer with no children involved. Tell the truth, isn't that the case? Of course it is, I know your types. You probably want to do it yourselves, and lash out at innocent people to cover up your desires. "you" referring only to those who deserve that description, not to "you" who are not hypocrites. You know who you are.

And how can you say images of bestiality, necrophilia or gay porn are different? Yes, they are different but many people are emotional over that too. You do realize necrophilia is sex with dead people don't you? I know some of you don't read much. And bestiality is sex with animals. Think of the poor animals being abused. It might be your own pet or a neighbor's or a relative's pet being abused.

Now make up some more garbage to show how rational you are.

Punish the ones making child porn pictures or abusing children but do not lock up for 20 years some dope jerking off to dirty pictures. Give the 20 years to the ones actually doing real abuse. And no, looking at a picture is not "actual" abuse. And what about computer photos? None of you want to talk about that because it exposes the hypocrisy. You probably want to lock everyone up for jerking off even though it's your own main outlet. "you" not being the good people reading this, only the bad ones.

Yes you!

[cisumevil]

Stonehenge you have MAJOR issues!!!

How could you defend this crap in any form? It's repulsive & sick to get sexual gratification from innocent children in anyway!

[XipeTotec]

Think of the poor animals being abused. It might be your own pet or a neighbor's or a relative's pet being abused.

well actually, an animal can consent... infact, dogs have tried to rape my leg, and, my cat tried to come onto me before it was desexed (I politely declined BTW). Stonehenge... I thought that you would be concerned about these images, as you sound like you are the age of the victims, arn't you scared?

Edited March 18, 2008 by XipeTotec

[Stonehenge]

So XipeTotec, you are in favor of bestiality I take it? I am concerned about the child images but only from the point of view of catching those who are abusing children. I have little to no interest in catching those who look at it. I would support a fine or something reasonable as penalty for possessing the images. But not 20 years in the slammer unless the person was involved in producing it. That's the part none of you seem able to grasp

cisumevil, you seem to want to criminalize the state of mind itself. That's what most of you want, isn't it? You want to lock up anyone who looks at children with lust because you are disgusted by it. No one will talk about other nasty images except XipeTotec who seems to like bestiality. XipeTotec, if that's not your position then I apologize.

If someone is a pedo and never acts on it, should we kill him or just lock him up for the rest of his/her life? Or is there another option? You who are all in favor of locking people up for what they think, you may be next on the hit parade.

Jono must not be around yet. Thats the only reason I can think of why he hasn't spewed any crap recently. I'm sure that will change. We will be hip deep in a moment.

Should we lock up/ execute women who are pedos or only men? With or without trial?

[tobydoo]

Stone, how old are you? Because you sound incredibly like my 13 year old daughter when she's throwing a tantrum. How did you manage to twist and skew and misrepresent so badly EVERY SINGLE point that every single person made??!! If you want to be taken seriously then you really need to grow up and argue your points like an adult.

[XipeTotec]

So XipeTotec, you are in favor of bestiality I take it? I am concerned about the child images but only from the point of view of catching those who are abusing children. I have little to no interest in catching those who look at it. I would support a fine or something reasonable as penalty for possessing the images. But not 20 years in the slammer unless the person was involved in producing it. That's the part none of you seem able to grasp

cisumevil, you seem to want to criminalize the state of mind itself. That's what most of you want, isn't it? You want to lock up anyone who looks at children with lust because you are disgusted by it. No one will talk about other nasty images except XipeTotec who seems to like bestiality. XipeTotec, if that's not your position then I apologize.

If someone is a pedo and never acts on it, should we kill him or just lock him up for the rest of his/her life? Or is there another option? You who are all in favor of locking people up for what they think, you may be next on the hit parade.

Jono must not be around yet. Thats the only reason I can think of why he hasn't spewed any crap recently. I'm sure that will change. We will be hip deep in a moment.

Should we lock up/ execute women who are pedos or only men? With or without trial?

LOL

[tobydoo]

Ok, This is Tobydoo's wife again. Just thought I'd make a point here..... Stone, don't you think that if Xipe was into beastiality the advances from the dog & cat would have been happily accepted instead delined? Maybe I'm confused, but I didn't read anything I thought would support your accusation of Xipe being into beastiality and I have not read anything from the others claiming that child porn is acceptable as long as no one is making money off of it. Infact, I believe that what they have been saying it that it is morally wrong no matter how you look at.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Stone, no offense (not really), but you rationality sounds like one that iv seen on a tv crime interview about one of australias pedophiles. (or Micheal jackson).

its not the money dumbass, its the sick heads that pedos have, they molest for their own sexual whatever. and now with the internet, they figured, "hey we could make some money" which gives them even more reason to do what they do. when fuknuts "that just want to look" sign up

AS for the people looking at it, if you think they shouldent be targeted, then im sorry but you really are retarded. they are the future pedos. Ever heard of de-sensitization, or sexual de-sensitization?

Dont think im getting angry, just being blunt.

Peace

[Stonehenge]

It's really comical how none of you will answer any tough questions and you twist everything I say and accuse me of doing it myself. If name calling was an argument, all of you would have a hell of a position. But you don't.

Lets try again. Should female pedos be locked up, executed or some lesser punishment? <-- one of the questions no one will touch with a 10 meter pole.

"AS for the people looking at it, if you think they shouldent be targeted, then im sorry but you really are retarded. they are the future pedos. Ever heard of de-sensitization, or sexual de-sensitization?"

And this is an argument for what exactly? Are you saying that stopping the porn will make them lose interest in children? Or is it more likely that if they do not have safe outlets for their deviation that they might look for real children to molest. <-- another tough question you will all run from.

"I believe that what they have been saying it that it is morally wrong no matter how you look at"

OK, I can go along with that. But I think acting out, in other words actually harming children, is far worse than looking at nasty pictures. I know no one can understand that, or if they do they know better than to speak up. Are you saying we should lock up those with deviant impulses whether they act on them or not? There is a fair amount of evidence that they are born that way, not a matter of choice.

And of course no one wants to touch the question about porn involving necrophilia, bestiality and so on. Isn't that morally wrong too? Should we lock up all those with "immoral" impulses or thoughts? Where are the thought police when you need them?

Be careful what you wish for!

[XipeTotec]

The reason that nobody bothered to answer your so-called hard questions, is that they are not hard.... more, just dumb.

Lets try again. Should female pedos be locked up, executed or some lesser punishment? <-- one of the questions no one will touch with a 10 meter pole.

They should be punished in the same manner as men commiting the same offence. This is not an issue that comes up very often at all, and not something that benefits your argument in any way.

And this is an argument for what exactly? Are you saying that stopping the porn will make them lose interest in children? Or is it more likely that if they do not have safe outlets for their deviation that they might look for real children to molest. <-- another tough question you will all run from.

it is not a safe outlet for the kids getting fucked in the images.... you do not seem to get this??

OK, I can go along with that. But I think acting out, in other words actually harming children, is far worse than looking at nasty pictures. I know no one can understand that, or if they do they know better than to speak up. Are you saying we should lock up those with deviant impulses whether they act on them or not? There is a fair amount of evidence that they are born that way, not a matter of choice.

They are acting on the impulses by looking at pictures of kids getting fucked

And of course no one wants to touch the question about porn involving necrophilia, bestiality and so on. Isn't that morally wrong too? Should we lock up all those with "immoral" impulses or thoughts? Where are the thought police when you need them?

I believe these images are deemed illegal, and I am sure there are consequences for possesion of such.

Edited March 20, 2008 by XipeTotec

[tobydoo]

<sigh> this is Mrs. Tobydoo again just to let you know. I suppose I should create my own log on before I get my hubby in trouble

I am not even sure why I feel the need to argue this point any longer. Maybe it is because I know a really brave 10 year old that turned in her best friend's father who was doing his step daughter and was dumb enough to do it while the girls were there. So it is possible that I feel a bit more emotional about this subject than some other would.

And as for weather or not to Pedi is male or female is of no consequence to me, they should be prosecuted equally and severly proseuted.

No I don't believe you can ask a dead corpse if it minds that you violate it and neither do I believe an animal can answer that any better, so not I don't think that is ok either.

Now going into legalities.... to be fair.... no, I don't think a person caught with pics should be prosecuted worse than those actually doing the act. HOWEVER..... they should be held accountable and if they are in a trust position the accountability should be more severe. I also believe that anyone paying for pics of that nature is helping to financially support the harm of those children and therefore should be prosecuted as an accessory to that crime.

Also, the guy did get found quilty and was sentenced to jail time. It is sad to think that a piggy doesn't have to face the same consquences that anyone else would have had to do.

And last, but I'm sure not least, I am affraid to think about what someone like that has actually gotten away with in the past and what could happen in the future. That may not be legalities, but it is an honest fear. If you think about it statistically, how many times does a person drink and drive and get away with it before they get caught? I can't bring myself to believe that this guy (an officer of the law) didn't know what he had and what could happen if he got caught with it. He did know, or if he didn't then he should never have been hired in that kind of job position because he was a complete moron.

I am not saying that we should prosecute on thoughts. When he paid for a kiddy porn site, he took it beyond the depths of his own sick little mind. When he didn't get rid of the pics, he took it beyond his own sick little mind. And....just a though, do you know how long it takes to down load images of any kind and how much memory they use up??? Accident??? I don't believe it.

Edited March 20, 2008 by tobydoo

[Vertmorpheus]

"You probably want to do it yourselves, and lash out at innocent people to cover up your desires. "

Get that man a Thorazine, on ice...

VM

[tobydoo]

"You probably want to do it yourselves, and lash out at innocent people to cover up your desires. "

Get that man a Thorazine, on ice...

VM

.........Second that!!