Why Dont YOU Believe in the Theory of Evolution?

[Mycot]

The last bit of our Tail.

Well the christian turned round and said.

"Ah, I'll pass on that but I've got something for you to touch. It's no theory, it's a live wire."

[Sparkster]

Heres a more interesting argument....

Are we a species still Evolving or are we Devolving nowdays?

[chilli]

Heres a more interesting argument....

Are we a species still Evolving or are we Devolving nowdays?

Yeah, good question, I'm not sure where folk get the idea that we are on the verge of a great evolutionary leap because I sure don't see much evidence of it.

[occidentalis]

Are we a species still Evolving or are we Devolving nowdays?

From a pure neodarwinian POV there is no devolution, only evolution

and from a biological POV, since all adults humans of the appropriate sex are capable of breeding with each other, we are not evolving or devolving

particularly with the prevalence of global travel, it is more likely we are becoming more homogenous rather than more distinct.

[The Dude]

From a pure neodarwinian POV there is no devolution, only evolution

and from a biological POV, since all adults humans of the appropriate sex are capable of breeding with each other, we are not evolving or devolving

particularly with the prevalence of global travel, it is more likely we are becoming more homogenous rather than more distinct.

Now this is so. However i find it truly fascinating how races and even nations vary from one another in terms of their macroscopic properties, however genetically we are still a homogenous group? or are other races genetically very different.. or only slightly? .. and with enough seperation of populations in different environments could this seperation form other species?

This is controversial when considering human rights and thinking of other races as non-human.. however the idea is we are all homosapiens but the next step of evolution could maybe have us seperate, and evolve / devolve, depending on your perspective of whats good/bad.. in any case we adapt to our environment, so a 'bad' trait might be what we need.

Also I remeber here there was a post about a hypothetical situation in a few thousand years time where lower class living with its tendency to lead to bad health would weaken those sexually selecting more of the same population and the negative traits would be expounded creating a troll-like creature out of lower class societies and some kind of super attractive person in higher class societies, where all the extra benefits of living with money translate into better health and these traits are compunded in future generations.

the argument used to counter this idea was that we seek out genetic diversity and will intermix seperate groupings of people.

IB.. the uber pessimist, you may not see a shift coming along, might have something to do with closing your eyes to what higher consciousness really is. .. maybe... not accusing nothing here, just saying I personally do feel a change coming.. i mean change is everpresent but that's not the point. I can't say I've been there through all of history but these times are special. it IS the age of enlightenment. the PTB's have always run the show with occlusion and as happens with anything hidden - it must be revealed. personal revelation is all well and good but in this age of global communication these revelations are made transpersonal, as we can collectively reveal the hidden truths.

w00t internets.

w00t global communications

w00t collective knowledgebase expanding

w00t consciousness evolution!

Edited November 23, 2007 by El Duderino

[occidentalis]

Now this is so. However i find it truly fascinating how races and even nations vary from one another in terms of their macroscopic properties, however genetically we are still a homogenous group?

homogenous enough to continue interbreeding, which is all that matters.

This is controversial when considering human rights and thinking of other races as non-human.. however the idea is we are all homosapiens but the next step of evolution could maybe have us seperate, and evolve / devolve, depending on your perspective of whats good/bad.. in any case we adapt to our environment, so a 'bad' trait might be what we need.

good and bad don't come into it.

evolution is evolution.

Also I remeber here there was a post about a hypothetical situation in a few thousand years time ...

yeah, I think we all agreed that the idea was absolute nonsense and the proponent was a nutter ;)

there have already been thousands of years of class separation in human history, and the evidence so far is that members of 'lower' classes breed more. Societies change faster than evolution can occur, so no particular genetically related group of people will ever be in a single social 'class' for long enough for that to occur. Amongst other reasons.

[devance]

A interesting discussion.

http://www.physorg.com/news114963214.html

"Liquid crystal phases of tiny DNA molecules point up new scenario for first life on Earth'

So new scientific data means new evolutionary theorys.

A self organizing liquid crystal means a holographic information lens.

Physics is the creationist friend and not a problem.

Let the physicist discover the new facts and a marvelous unified holositic way will gradually be clothed with scientific mathematical tests demanded.

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According to the bible humans at first lived for 600 to 800 years.

In Jesus time it was 140 years.

So maybe a degradation of DNA.

But the mind was the same with the same problems.

Noah must have been a very smart guy to build ark.

Living 800 hundreds of years with a few pointers from God anybody could with a interest in common physics models like how water moves would get a idea of the subject of physics.

But I am biologist so its taken alot to get me looking at math.

Biology is a very holistic outlook.

Living the ecosystem alone and it will regain a equalibrium and a usable concept.

According to the bible there going to be severe problems, but the earth will recover.

Rest, as its translated.

I wish everyone could just absorb sunlight for energy but the nasty eating scenario fogs the nicer outlook and gives a reason for a nazi outlook. Genocide.

Survival of the fit.

Humans take 18 years to raise so survival of fitness is a illusion.

One might as well say survival of tribal group with best teck weapons.

If you were 18 and running at me with a knife I could have a sword.

If with a sword then countered with a spear.

If a spear then countered with a arrow.

A chariot/armour counters the arrow.

And so list goes on.

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[devance]

http://www.physorg.com/news115312740.html

'Studies of ancient supercontinent don't match up'

'The nicest thing would have been if we had a solution, but we don't," said Van der Voo, the Frank H. T. Rhodes Professor of Geological Sciences at U-M. "All we can say is that we have this enigma, so perhaps our model of Pangea for the period in question is wrong or the wind direction didn't follow the common patterns that we recognize in the modern world. Neither seems likely, but we're bringing this inconsistency to the attention of the scientific community in hopes of stimulating further research."

Van der Voo's co-authors agree there's only one thing to do: keep attacking the problem.

"We'll come up with everything we can possibly think of," Oglesby said. "From the point of view of the climate model, the paleogeography, the vegetation, the topography, local-scale vs. large-scale, paleomag, going back and rethinking everything that the dunes tell us. We'll go back to square one in everything, trying to figure it out." '

'"It's a puzzle, a 'conundrum' is the word we like to use," said Robert Oglesby of UNL. "And in the Science paper, we're not solving the conundrum, we're raising the conundrum."

Or a enigma.

[chilli]

IB.. the uber pessimist, you may not see a shift coming along, might have something to do with closing your eyes to what higher consciousness really is. .. maybe... not accusing nothing here, just saying I personally do feel a change coming.. i mean change is everpresent but that's not the point. I can't say I've been there through all of history but these times are special. it IS the age of enlightenment. the PTB's have always run the show with occlusion and as happens with anything hidden - it must be revealed. personal revelation is all well and good but in this age of global communication these revelations are made transpersonal, as we can collectively reveal the hidden truths.

w00t internets.

w00t global communications

w00t collective knowledgebase expanding

w00t consciousness evolution!

As usual your assumptions are wrong... I definitely feel big changes in human society are occurring and more are to come, the question I have is whether it can be called evolution. Your association of the internet with consciousness evolution (whatever that is) leads me to think probably not. Besides, wouldn't evolution of consciousness only be meaningful in a strictly naturalistic system, where mind is considered an epihenomenon of matter?

Edited November 27, 2007 by IllegalBrain

[devance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphenomenon

'An epiphenomenon is a secondary phenomenon that occurs alongside a primary phenomenon.

Often, a causal relationship between the phenomena is implied: the epiphenomenon is a consequence of the primary phenomenon. In medicine, this relationship is typically not implied: an epiphenomenon may occur independently, and is merely called an epiphenomenon because it is not the primary phenomenon under study. (A side-effect is a specific kind of epiphenomenon that does occur as a consequence.)

In philosophy of mind, epiphenomenalism is the view that mental phenomena are caused by physical phenomena, and cannot cause anything themselves. It was probably first mentioned by T. H. Huxley in 1874.

[edit] Notes

* Huxley, T. H. (1874). "On the Hypothesis that Animals are Automata, and its History", The Fortnightly Review, n.s.16:555-580. Reprinted in Method and Results: Essays by Thomas H. Huxley (New York: D. Appleton and Company, 1898).'

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Well put.

But if time,space, or energycan be directly produced by a mind, lets say God's.

Or the angels, who would be allowed to.

A much more naturalistic model emerges.

So the epiphenomenon is actually the opposite of matter producing the brain.

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http://www.paternitytestinglabs.com/eviden...verse/#comments

'But Mersini-Houghton and colleagues’ theory of entangled universes make testable predictions, providing the opportunity to confirm or refute the claim as more data arrive to the astronomers’ computers. Her model predicts the existence of two voids rather than one, one in each hemisphere of our universe. The one that has been found by WMAP’s data lies in the Northern hemisphere. They expect new data will show a second similar void in the Southern side. This and other cutting-edge experimental projects testing Mersini-Houghton’s ideas will tell us whether a new era in cosmological thinking has indeed arrived.'

And so interesting data comes up with entangled universes.

Nothing frightening.

I think theres 11 more.

Serial/linear from our viewpoint but parallel from God's.

But the math can prove if its true.

[devance]

The triangle of space, time and energy is a favorite subject of mine.

It represents a kind of sailing ship out look.

With the sails representing the three physics mental conceptional winds.

A mind visualualization.

On the other hand theres the quatum outlook of the single monoparticle outlook.

Both are valid.

For instance if was in between space between galaxys.

How to move.

Both concepts are valid.

Infinite space is just as disturbing as being buried alive with no space.

Two ways of doing so.

[Sparkster]

On the other hand theres the quatum outlook of the single monoparticle outlook.

.... say WHAT?

[Hagakure]

new study claims that humans are evolving more rapidly now than ever

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12...s-evolving.html

[devance]

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=19591

If you don't have have a visual model, than a problem.

Like this.

A math model is a play toy for testing but for the mathematical symbolic ratio for those so inclined.

Visual model is the the way too go for direct visual modeling.

As there is a difference between styles of mental modeling.

The machines of Leonardo Da Vinci and Franz Releaux or

http://www.cosmosview.com/images/ThisNaturalCosmos.pdf

I am sorry they made a monkey out of you.

But perhaps the socialists are to good at it.