alcohol substitutes and additives

[Brero]

Hey guys,

Ive got this assignment i need to do on Alcohol. i'm thinking about wacking something in it about possible substitutes or additives that could be used in addition to or in place of alcohol in social situations to scale down or cut out large scale alcohol consumption. The only substance i know of is blue lotus, in lotus wine. From what i have read some people drink it whilst socialising and have a very pleasent, fun time whilst only consuming 1/3 the drinks they normally would. I've tried but the batch i made up was terrible to drink.

Anyone else know of other stuff? Legal and relatively healthy preferably.

Cheers,

Brero

[Jesus On Peyote]

Kava is a good alcohol alternitive, but still has liver issues with long term use. But ild say its still note worthy.

Ittle be well worth researching .

Never tried lotus in wine, but theere is a doco you might want to check out too called, sacred weeds- blue lotus. sacred weeds is a series.

Edited April 29, 2007 by Jesus On Peyote

[Conan Troutman]

Kava is a great alternative to booze very little clouding of thoughts but still very relaxing. Think liver issues more relate to pharm industry using above ground parts to make there extracts.

Khat is mildly intoxicating and is great at promoting social interaction used in similiar style in muslim countrys where alcohol is frowned upon.

for me tho xanax and G are the most like alcohol but with none of the side effects I get from the booze...if only it was legal

[Jesus On Peyote]

cant see why a drink with .1 miligram of xanax cant be released damn laws

[Conan Troutman]

this one has always interested me...

Wild Yam

Dioscorea dregeana

Also known as wild yam. The Zulu names udakwa and isidakwa respectively mean “inducing drowsiness” and “a drunkard” it is a profound sedative that is used to treat epilepsy, hysteria, insomnia and acute psychosis.

This potent narcotic is used to sedate violent, psychotic patients and is also used as an analgesic. In earlier times it was used as general anaesthetic to enable fractures of the limbs to be to be manipulated and stabilised by traditional bonesetters. The tuber is generally taken orally or as a weak decoction with an adequate dose resulting in sleep within 20-30 minutes.

peace...

[Guest Øskorei]

Kava would be ideal to discuss in your research paper, as it is specifically used in Eastern Arnhem Land and other indigenous Australian communities in a bid to reduce the social problems associated with alcohol consumption in the area.

BE careful to read between the lines of the other bullshit propaganda when researching this - as there are shady politicians driving the anti-kava stake into arguments, namely to benefit themselves & their mates with interests in the Liquor Board and licenced booze outlets.

As for kava being detrimental to the liver, it is widely discussed as to be an incorrect statement, or at least unproven. The fear campaign came about from Piper methysticum products being released that used the leaves and the stems.

Traditionally, kava is prepared using only the plant roots.

Regardless of any perceived detriment to health, as an alternative to alcohol, it can't be any less dangerous........

PM me if you have never tried kava before and plan on eluding to the subject in your research paper, I might be able to send you a free dosage. Lets call it a non-government grant. First hand experience is always most advantageous Keep in mind that if you can't drink lotus wine, you'll probably also find this unpalatable. Personally, I find highly dosed lotus wine easier to consume than the piper

[Auxin]

Borage flowers is another traditional wine additive. I believe it adds a antidepressant euphoriant effect but I cant really say since I dont drink.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Mormons tea? epedrea would give some mild stimulation and social happiness.

[XipeTotec]

try "the encyclopaedia of psychoactive plants" by christian ratsch, it has a lot of information regarding alcohol additives

[Conan Troutman]

I have read that borage flowers will take the depressing effects from wine, sounds like kava aye?

how post you post some of that info shroomy??

[Anodyne]

for me tho xanax and G are the most like alcohol but with none of the side effects I get from the booze...if only it was legal

cant see why a drink with .1 miligram of xanax cant be released sad.gif damn laws

Benzoes are very addictive - probably worse than alcohol, and that combination is probably responsible for more drug-related deaths than any other. People at my highschool used to take a few codeine tablets when drinking to get more smashed, which works, but is hardly a "healthy" option.

Kava's a pretty good alternative - more pleasant than alcohol, but can be difficult to get down (& keep down)

Kava would be ideal to discuss in your research paper, as it is specifically used in Eastern Arnhem Land and other indigenous Australian communities in a bid to reduce the social problems associated with alcohol consumption in the area.

Wow! That's great.

[Conan Troutman]

Benzoes are very addictive - probably worse than alcohol, and that combination is probably responsible for more drug-related deaths than any other. People at my highschool used to take a few codeine tablets when drinking to get more smashed, which works, but is hardly a "healthy" option.

Kava's a pretty good alternative - more pleasant than alcohol, but can be difficult to get down (& keep down)

Wow! That's great.

I wasnt suggesting combining with booze, and defiently more addictive as the I actually enjoy the effects of benzos...

[Greeny]

I've found If I take my daily 10mg of Olanzapine and 2 Diazepam that I can get the same buzz off about half as much alchohol.

Mind you I had to go thru a psychotic episode to earn that privilage. Not something I would wish on anyone. Especially all the weed smokers out their its hard to say goodbye to that old friend.

[KlUe]

During a trip to Fiji last year, I visited a village and heard a few locals saying "he drinks too much kava" after a certain incident (indeed there were numerous people who strongly disliked this man due to his mental instability) - I'm assuming because he had been quite obviously mentally effected due to the long term use of the drug.

I also heard a few reports similar to this in surrounding villages - especially involving the village chiefs (who normally consume more kava than any other).

Having said this, it is certainly not nearly as damaging as what the detrimental effects of alcohol have..

KlUe