Bush compared to Hitler?

[chilli]

My brother showed me this video on youtube:

A Perfect Circle - Counting Bodies Like Sheep

You need to log in to view it because its got people getting shot.

Cool song, cool video, but I was thinking about the comparisons it makes between President Bush and Hitler, and it suddenly seemed pretty lame. The video shows hordes of nazis as far as the eye can see saluting Hitler and then compares it to GWB standing there looking goofy in front of a bunch of marines.

Anyway, it got me thinking... a lot of people draw parallels between what's happening in the US and what happened in Germany under Hitler, so I was wondering what people think of the similarities and the differences between the two? What are the reasons why it is or isn't a legitimate comparison?

[paradox]

that is an awsome video and a good song. i think maynard is simply a true artist. GWB is simply a dopey buffoon and the american government makes me want to laugh, cry and spew at the same time. that would hurt.

i think along with the mass scale horror and pain both GWB (and the rest of them) & hitler have both caused, i think what links them is that they are both twisted psychotic fuckwits who have somehow come to power.

[ramon]

i think along with the mass scale horror and pain both GWB (and the rest of them) & hitler have both caused, i think what links them is that they are both twisted psychotic fuckwits who have somehow come to power.

I think we have clearly identified how they are the same.

The difference in my opinion is that I consider GWB to be a patsy. He has gone along with plans he didn't develop.

Don't know that much about Hitler but I imagine he had a very large part in the plans he put into action.

[Ace]

I can see the resemblance:

He is a wanker and if he thinks he is 'helping' the Yanks or any other part of the world, he is mistaken...

Edited April 10, 2007 by Ace

[Jesus On Peyote]

I agree with Ramon,bush himself is a fuckwit but hes not smart enough to hatch all the plans, leave that to the cia and other secret groups hes just the face, so to speak. But when going into comparissons i would say the US now is like a Beurocratic, "politiccly correct" Nazi regime without the visual genocide (yet). Like back in hitlers days, if one protested, he was shot, nowadays if someone protests, their ignored. 99.9 percent of the US population could dissagree with the goverment but they still couldent be able to do anything about it.

And if i remember correctly i remember in a doco i saw once about the German SS, in which one of the head people was having a interveiw with reporters in germany (during the war) and said that if he was to consider himself a relidgius man he would consider himself a zionist, with a smirk. And lest we forget George Ws, grandaddys connection to Germany at the time.

In a way i think ww2 and post ww2 might have been "planned" for a bigger purpose by those which shall not be named. Once you get into the real history about the era its weird how it all happened so quickly.

[devance]

Bush just is a playboy puppet for the major economic players as fall guy and the rest of his staff who will have cushy jobs after the end of his term in the corporate economic world after a major malfunction [which is a pretty good discription for the U.S. Space program as they have to buy space vehicles from Russian to even complete the Space station].

The real thing is that they thought that all would be well taken care of by the corperate economic interests as a sort of economic faith. But Business interests have proved that they can make more money by doing less as a monopoly.

A way of getting such is political corruption.

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With Hitler it was also all propaganda.

But Bush is to stupid too know.

[Jesus On Peyote]

I think bushes stupidity is abit over played (on purpose), after all who would think of him as an evil warlord if he was so dumb.

[devance]

I think hes a puppet.

If there is a Heaven then every one of the deaths he created are going to personally have to be reassured by him one on one that was the the situation.

Being a stupid economic or religious puppet isn't going to make it as in heaven there is true democracy and one doesn't have to associate with a feeble bush who can only say that was the best his feeble wits could come up with.

Or the real reason, just laid with the whore of the economic world and then says forgive me for my sins while he goes eats shrimp and lobster at the Hilton hotel.

That might work on planet earth.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Off topic kinda but devance , if your talking about biblical heaven then its not a democracy, its a communist dictatorship. One leader = god, disobey and off to hell you go.

Eaither way bush is a knob, and for ANYONE (Mainly his supporters in the USA) that believes he is a "devout" Christan working towards gods word (remember god told him to go into iraq) is as blind as Hitlers supporters ( he also used the bible as propaganda.)

And yea, hes a puppet,the zionist\economical movement has been around for longer then he has and others are pulling the real strings.

[devance]

Well since there are communists societys and military nationalist that is a recognizable proven reality.

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What I was talking about is if God was totally concerned with his family members already in heaven.

Two thirds of the of the Human race.

Even fetuses. No colour or religion involved.

Past, present and future.

Every single one off them would have to sign off on a evil being that messed around with them on earth to ever see them again in a changed nonevil state.

A evil human or otherwise.

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The obvious question is why that wasn't the case thousands of years ago on earth.

So no one had to be wrecked by a secondary product of capitalism or communism.

A problem that can be answered but not without the concept of fallen angels.

Fallen because they were thrown out of heaven but active on Earth.

A complicated subject.

[chilli]

Off topic kinda but devance , if your talking about biblical heaven then its not a democracy, its a communist dictatorship. One leader = god, disobey and off to hell you go.

I don't mind if the thread is hijacked, especially by comments as irresistable as this one... JoP, have you ever read the Bible? The way it presents heaven and salvation are radically different from the way you seem to understand them.

With regards to heaven, it is pictured in many ways, but ultimately as the place where death is defeated and there is no more corruption or sorrow... basically, it is a totally new order of existence.

Salvation is literally seen as being saved by God from spiritual death, everyone is under the curse of death because they hate and disobey God, but he saves whoever he chooses... it is not something earned, but a gift from God.

The earliest Christians were essentially communists though, because they had everything in common, but not exactly a dictatorship, although discipleship and authority were key features.

Now, that should get this thread going...

[devance]

Well Jesus said give to CAESAR whats CAESAR's.

Which meant tax money by showing a coin with CAESAR's image.

So he was more interested in his spiritual family than being a insurrectionalist or a economist.

I don't agree that a strict discipline style was the order of the day.

After all he partied with the wealthy and tax collectors some of the most loathed.

What he was concerned about was the religions of the day which included child sacrifices and temple prostitutes and any type of of religion to reassure one on worldly wants and desires sexual or otherwise.

He whipped the money lenders from the temple because it was against Jewish law.

Money lending is a bet one won't pay back a loan so that real property, real estate is gotten.

So its not in the interest of a people or nation to engage in among themselves.

The socialist and communist have tried to carefully divorce such a concept into a Godless economic religion and blame it all on capitalism somehow combined with Christianity.

[chilli]

I don't agree that a strict discipline style was the order of the day.

Neither do I, all I said was discipline and authority were key features. What do you think the word 'disciple' means?

[devance]

Neither do I, all I said was discipline and authority were key features. What do you think the word 'disciple' means?

Heres what it means in Hebrew.

'Disciple - Meaning 'student', this word usually refers to the twelve men that Jesus chose to live and work with him'

The Gospel of Mark states that Jesus initially sent out these twelve in pairs

instructions to heal the spiritually sick and thus to drive away wicked behaviour.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Yea,IBiv read most of the bible (mainly new test).

I guess that all goes with how you interpret the bible (thus so many "faction")

Jesus himself wasent so much an authority figure but hes always like " you F with me and my dad is gonna F u up in the afterworld" type of thing.

Jesus as he is from what iv read is a noble typea fella, i dont mind him (Jesus, is alright with me) more of a philosopher then anything else, those who took him seriously where tought discipline for the sheer fact that one needed to stay away from alot of things to be able to get to heaven.

In actual fact, we cant know half of whats in the bible by jesus is what he himself would have wanted.

[devance]

Well the idea that Jesus was the Actual son of God ( as not sexual created but still human/angel) got him crucified by the Hebrews who rioted against even roman legions for even carrying a symbolic hawk in front of them when marching into Jerusalem.

A graven image.

Thats strange since the Hebrews own texts speak of a messiah.

But he was and did miracles.

A interesting point of fact is that miracles aren't of anyworth to a power structure that thinks otherwise.

And I think they will be happening one day on Global TV.

But as a one time event.

But what He was doing was bring a new outlook to other than the Hebrews that satanically inspired religions weren't the way of it.

Child sacrafices were performed to placate a diety [fallen angel]so that a good agricultural harvests would be happening just like the Aztecs.

As one example.

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The Romans just adopted any sort of religion they came across.

The Hebrews were too insular to recognize his true nature.

When giving some money to a beggar they would always ring a bell to make sure all noticed while tolerating moneylenders in their own temple..

The 12 students were a very varied bunch.

Ranging from a physcian to a rabid antiroman.

The new age cult among the Hebrews of the time was Greek influence.

No doubt they thought they were better educated than the rest of the illterate classes due to a better education due to wealth.

[gomaos]

a lot of people draw parallels between what's happening in the US and what happened in Germany under Hitler

I've been saying that ever since Bush illegally seized power when the elections were hung between republicans and democrats....

[The Dude]

um i havent read much of this.. and am confused how jesus got involved in a convo bout the bush / hitler similarity.

but yeh.. ytf r ppl still taking this jesus dude so fkn literally, very simple symbolism here guys.

jesus turns water into wine

jesus walks on water

the appearance of jesus in a strom calms the storm and settles it.

who/wat is the j-man..

the SuN of god?

sun->heat->water->sugar->yeast=fermentation=alcohol

sun reflection on water = sun walking on water

sun clears storms

um plus theres the whole astrological correspondance to the sun cycles in relation to the earth n stuff.

...continuation of sun cult under diff. name

y they keep changing messiahs? horus, mithra, krishna, christ? s'all the same yeh. is an update, so um.. this aquarian age thing.. will have some guy with water and we gotta follow him into his house.. apparently, so the fish man said. jesus was way cool, spose this aquarius dude should be a chiller too... um but then i also say, fuck religion!

[chilli]

Devance, you're right... I mistakenly thought that our usual concept of discipline was also what the original Greek word meant, but apparently it literally just means student. At least I won't embarrass myself next time I talk about discipleship... oh wait, that will probably never happen.

um i havent read much of this.. and am confused how jesus got involved in a convo bout the bush / hitler similarity.

LOL, it happened when I foolishly said "I don't mind if the thread is hijacked".

[devance]

Nice reply IB.

So the original meaning would more clear than a 2nd or 3d interpretation.