Aya Posted March 26, 2007 Hi everyone, as a few of you know i'm just starting my way on the cacti path and have a few questions in regards to certain things that i haven't yet found answers for. So i thought instead of giving all my questions to Ferret (thanks again), i'd ask who ever is willing to answer instead of putting my unknowingness solely on him. So one thing that is still on my mind is when you have a seed which is T. Pachanoi x T. Bridgesii. Meaning that the Pachanoi was the mother and the Bridgesii was the pollen donor (father). When this seed starts to germinate and grows will the Cacti produced be a 50/50 split between the two? Or is there a dominance between the mother and father? Well that's it for now, but i'm sure there will be some more questions to come sooner or later. Thanks for reading Aya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted March 26, 2007 I'm fairly new to the genetics of cacti myself, but I think you'll find that they may form a cross breed, with the characteristics of both (or, I should say, the dominant characteristics of both). That is why there are so many cacti that are hard to ID, due to being cross breeds. You may also get a few that are distinctly similar to the mother or father, without definate looks of both. I dont know what sort of ratio you would expect for the different sorts, I think it'd be a bit of a gamble. Hope that helps a little - and keep the questions coming - its great to see the answers, we all have different opinions and its always good to hear a few different ideas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonic Posted March 27, 2007 When this seed starts to germinate and grows will the cacti produced be a 50/50 split between the two? Or is there a dominance between the mother and father? No, they will grow as a blend of the two. When you see T. Pachanoi x T. Bridgesii, for example this means that it is a hybrid. Or as a general rule when you see an "X" in the name it will be a hybridised type. Usually this will be a manual hybridisation by the grower. As Ace mentioned though this can be quite common in nature and in the garden, usually pollination is done in this case by bees or moths. Hope that helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aya Posted March 27, 2007 Thanks for the responses guys, things are starting to get less foggy now. I wonder what effect cross pollination would have on the entheogenic side of the cacti? I'm guessing with similar cacti with similar compositions there wouldn't be to much of a difference in comparison to the non-crossed versions of each. Thanks again peoples Love & Light Aya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted March 27, 2007 I wonder what effect cross pollination would have on the entheogenic side of the cacti? Thats all part of the fun Aya - you never know until they are all grown up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aya Posted March 27, 2007 I wonder what effect cross pollination would have on the entheogenic side of the cacti?Thats all part of the fun Aya - you never know until they are all grown up Haha.... Indeed. Thanks for the replys Ace Aya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted March 27, 2007 i also wonder if psychoactive trichocereus spp can interbreed with non active spp? if so it probably wouldn't be a good idea to keep active and no active plants together, if you plan on harvesting seed. also, could PACHANOI interbreed with SPACHIANUS, or are they too genetically different? could PACHANOI interbreed with bidgesii monstrose etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XipeTotec Posted March 27, 2007 i also wonder if psychoactive trichocereus spp can interbreed with non active spp?if so it probably wouldn't be a good idea to keep active and no active plants together, if you plan on harvesting seed. also, could PACHANOI interbreed with SPACHIANUS, or are they too genetically different? could PACHANOI interbreed with bidgesii monstrose etc? also... could pach be interbred with loph.. or is this just ridiculous? im thinking maybe yes, it is!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted March 27, 2007 All species classified within one genus should be able to cross breed, so yes, a spach x pach is very possible, because they are both Trichs (Echinopsis for those newbs ) As for a Trich x Loph, no, that is certainly not possible outside of a lab. Inside a lab, I still doubt its possibilities, but may be done with some serious hard work - tho I've certainly never heard of it... Make sense guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellonasty Posted March 27, 2007 Paradox, You cann't cross TBM with anything !!! sooooo sad It just never flowers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted March 27, 2007 Paradox,You cann't cross TBM with anything !!! sooooo sad It just never flowers. i didn't know that i havn't got any yet. wouldn't a pach x TBM be luvly tho. has anyone ever seen a spach x pach or similar? probably be an interesting looking plant. spach's have like.. 25 ribs. it'd be interesting to see what sort of psycho-activity they had, in terms of strength & experience. another question! anyone know of the existence of spach monstrose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonic Posted March 27, 2007 has anyone ever seen a spach x pach or similar? I have several T. scopulicola X T. brigesii [E. lageniformis], not the same I know but an iteresting hybrid nonetheless. another question! anyone know of the existence of spach monstrose? Haven't heard of it but wouldn't suprise me if there was, most likely in Europe or somewhere. They do alot of interest work with cacti in Holland etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted March 27, 2007 has anyone ever seen a spach x pach or similar? hehe, here is some spach x super pedro babies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted March 27, 2007 Aww, they're tops! Congrats man, they look like they're brand spankers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aya Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) hehe, here is some spach x super pedro babies. Looking good Passive, cant wait to try and grow those little gems myself! Edited March 27, 2007 by Ayahuascara Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted March 27, 2007 hehe, here is some spach x super pedro babies. sweet man! you grown these b4? d'ya know what they look like when their big? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted March 27, 2007 Damn that's awesome Passive, what a combination! It'll be exciting waiting to see if it'll be a case of "to cluster or not to cluster?" Superpedro sure seems to be a potent dude, may I present "pach X Superpedro" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gardener Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) Those lil tykes (spach x super pedro ) look EXACTLY like my baby hoodias. Exactly. Actully what IS a super pedro? Did i miss somethin? Edited March 27, 2007 by Gardener Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD. Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) Actully what IS a super pedro? Did i miss somethin? have a look here Gardener Edited March 27, 2007 by Passive Daemon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Μορφέας Posted March 27, 2007 Super Pedro looks sooooo cool Iv got about 10 cacti and their all skinny little things lol, A fat super pedro would make anice addition to my collection Great pics in that thread passive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aya Posted April 9, 2007 New question. Cereus Peruvianus, synonymous with Trichocereus Peruvianus/Echinopsis Peruvianus? Or is the Cereus a different cacti all together? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted April 9, 2007 cereus is a completely different species altogether! cereus peruvianus is a very common cactus in gardens and grows huge with many, many columns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted April 9, 2007 cereus peruvianus is not active but it does contain the alkaloids hordenine & tyramine which i believe are known for their anti-septic properties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aya Posted April 9, 2007 cereus is a completely different species altogether!cereus peruvianus is a very common cactus in gardens and grows huge with many, many columns. Thanks for clearing that up Paradox, much appreciated Aya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitosis Posted April 9, 2007 /me whips out the trusty old Biology textbook... In a cross between these two compatible species, dominance would occur with respect to individual genetic traits. As you know, genes can be dominant or recessive. Making things more complicated, genes can even be incompletely dominant- the resulting phenotype (physical manafestation of a gene) of the f1 hybrids falls between the phenotypes of their two parental varieties. I hope this clears things up rather than confuses you more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
