mauve Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) my Ololiuhqui vine finaly flowered exactly at Christmas ! Am i the first to obtain some blooming on Rivea Corymbosa in a temperate country ? Prove me i'm wrong ! After years of no luck, trying to induce flowering i finally choose the shamanic way and asked directly the spirit of Ololiuhqui. During the meeting (30 seeds, traditional way) those words poped in my train of thoughs : POTASSIUM SULFATE ??? i wrote it down. Later i found a rather pure source of potassium sulfate (a kind of stone used for smelly armpits) and mixed it in the growing medium and totaly drowned the plant in water (this plant loves water and can handle it). And here we go...flowers... Amazing but true, always listen to nature and what the plants have to say ! I am not sure if solely potassium sulfate will trigger blooming in any Rivea plant, maybe it is a mixture of watering, time of the year and potassium sulfate... More experiments to come... Edited March 6, 2007 by mauve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monk Posted February 13, 2007 Haven't grown this plant and I'm subtropical anyway, but wanted to congratulate you on your success in gardening, alchemy, and shamanism. All in one post! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Blister Posted February 14, 2007 Can you tell us which country? I hope she sets seed for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted February 14, 2007 Excellent work Mauve!!! Looking foward to seeing the results from your next experiments! Lets hope you can get some consistent results Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 14, 2007 Niiice work mauve & excellent photo Do u mind elaborating on ur riveas environment & ur cultivation techniques, as I live in a temperate climate & would love to grow this plant. A foaf tried 30 seeds for the first time yesterday & only got threshold effects admitedly on a full stomach foaf said he will have to try again on empty stomach, foafs usual dose of HBWR is 12 seeds & this gets him off full stomach or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pisgah Posted February 14, 2007 That is great! I'm going to break up my natural deodorant tonight and mix it in with a test batch for some plants. You are definitely on the cutting edge if you can get it to bloom in northern europe (assuming northern). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted February 14, 2007 thank you all ! I am located in France. By the way, FeloniousMonk, subtropical is a perfect climate for Rivea Corymbosa...it may even become invasive, i think. The stone i used is called "Alum stone" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alum The one i used was devoid of aluminium (i think it was aluminium )... there are a lots more pics on my blog: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...;blogid=67& I hoping for seeds too...since fresh seeds of Ololiuhqui are nearly impossible to acquire in europe. But even if the seeds mature...well, i'll have only 4 seeds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 6, 2007 ...here we go ! I have harvested yesterday my first seed.... I took nearly two month from the flower to the seed...and then to the fridge ! I feel i received a gift from my Rivea... There is still work to do to improve the yield and to be able to induce flowering at will...but at last we now that indoor production of Rivea seeds is possible. Pics of the pod tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amanito Posted March 6, 2007 I had mine three years outside, always back in winter. Never flowers. This year I made a mistake, I thought we would have a winter .. but we had NOT a winter. So I kept the plant inside and it lost all leaves. The stems are woody and there are only a few sprouts in the beginning of the plant. I cut the most of the stuff off . I had the same problem with my hawaian baby woodrose who lost all big leaves, also 3 years old. Is there hope ???? I never had this problem. Stupid global warming. The plants had a too big shock I'm afraid . Btw, salvia lives outside over herre (holland) nowadays during the winter ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) if there is green, there is hope, Rivea is a very hardy plant. I hope your plant will take a new begining ! Here are the pics of the pod and the seed: more pics on the blog: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...;blogid=67& Edited March 6, 2007 by mauve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted March 7, 2007 Great News for you. my Rivea bloomed too 2 weeks ago. we are in spring now... my plant is almost 3 years old and this is the first time i see its flowers...finally... i hope everybody here in this great forum will have the chance to see his rivea flowering Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 13, 2007 (edited) ...don't throw the flowers ! They are active and delicious to smoke, a little bit more active than the leaves...of course i didn't do it because it is forbiden to do so, i'm just reporting what someone told me yesterday Even the leaves fallen from the plant are active, wich is surprising given how easily LSA degradates in light, heat and oxygen. [ EDIT : LEAVES DRIED IN THE DARK AND GREEN IN COLOUR MAY BE POISONOUS: UNKNOW GLUCOSIDE ! FOR HYPOTHETICAL EXPERIMENTS AVOID THE GREEN LEAVES AND USE BROWN LEAVES INSTEAD (for flower arrangement purposes only )... This plant is one of the most generous entheogen... Keep aware that we don't know precisely the chemical composition of the leaves and flowers...if someone has a link about this, i'll be glad. Edited April 18, 2007 by mauve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 13, 2007 by the way, did you smell the flowers ? I think it would be great as a massage oil, macerated in coconut oil...hummm... I read somewhere that the honey made with the Rivea flowers is one of the finest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted March 13, 2007 Mauve, R u sure that the leaves\flowers have something to offer? i have never heard about it... i would "smell" the flowers if i'll see more reports\comments about this by the way the flowers of my rivea don't have any special smell... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 13, 2007 by the way the flowers of my rivea don't have any special smell... Maybe a nose thing More serously, this is maybe a strain variation thing, i never noticed any special smell from regular Heavenly blue Morning glories but the Wedding bells strain is said to have a noticeable fragrance, i'll see that this summer. (i recently acquired seeds of Wedding Bells) For the leaves and flowers, well what to say, we all know the wonders of the placebo effect...but my friend said it wasn't placebo, even if the effects were not very strong. Of course, what happen to one person does not mean that it will happen to everybody...maybe it was a wink from the spirit of the plant ? Information about traditional usage else than cold brew is scarce, we know that the aztecs "priest" used an ointment made with seeds of Ololiuhqui, ashes and insects...i'll dig up this info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 13, 2007 a very interesting read about the use of Ololiuhqui by the native people of Mexico, excerpts from the writings of Hernando Ruiz de Alarcón (not someone i'd like to meet ) http://eee.uci.edu/clients/bjbecker/Plague...ple/week4i.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 13, 2007 we know that the aztecs "priest" used an ointment made with seeds of Ololiuhqui, ashes and insects...i'll dig up this info. from Richard Evans Schultes: "There is a still unexplained aspect concerning the use of ololiuqui in ancient Mexico: that aspect pertaining to its employment in a magic potion supposed to possess an apparent analgesic effect. One report states that the Aztec priests, before making sacrifices on mountain tops, " ... took a large quantity of poisonous insects, ... burned them... and beat their ashes together ... with the foot of the ocotl, tobacco, ololiuqui and some live insects. They ... rubbed themselves with this diabolical mixture and ... became fearless to every danger". Another stated that " ... this unction was made of divers little venomous beasts ... with much tobacco or pectum, ... an herb that they use much to benumb the flesh ... They ... also mingled with those ashes scorpions, spiders and palmiers alive ... then they put to it a certain seed ... called ololuchqui, whereof the Indians make a drink to see visions ... The priests being slobbered with this ointment lost all fear." This same report continued in a more specific vein: " ... they said that they felt thereby a notable ease, which might be, for that the tobacco and ololuchqui have this property of themselves, to benumb the flesh, being applied in the manner of an emplaster ... and for that it did appease and benumb the pain, they held it for an effect of health and a divine virtue ". Hernández, likewise, mentioned the pain-killing properties of ololiuqui." Taken from here (great read !): http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16535 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Blank Posted March 14, 2007 Hey Mauve, Great work! From your pics, it looks like you had it inside to bloom. I also have Ololiuhqui and its going into the second season. I brought them in to over winter and they are in pots. Your progress is a great inspiration to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 15, 2007 nice plants ! I especialy love the woody stems in Rivea. I like Morning Glory too but only the flowers, the rest of the plant isn't so attractive in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 19, 2007 my friend did two smoking experiments this week end. Smoking half a handfull of leaves, dried in the fridge and reduced in powder, in a (relatively big) cone produced a very profound experience, not a full trip but an experience that was light-year from any placebo effects. The effects were typical of Rivea ergolines. The next day, 5 seeds of low potency were grinded and smoked in a cone (This batch of seed was older than one year but kept in the fridge, 30 seeds produced a medium experience when cold extracted)...it was definitively active, somewhat different from the leaves. It was less pleasant but this could be due to the tolerance of the lysergic alkaloids from the day before, it could be due to more subbtle parameters like the set and setting. Still a very positive experience, insights were gained. My friend wasn't sure of the length of the experiences, something between one hour, one hour and a half, he had no clock to check. The experiences were done in the dark, lying with music in headphones (David Hikes The Harmonic Choir)... My friend feels "refreshed" by his week-end Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monk Posted March 19, 2007 Excellent info, mauve. I've been saving up for my next plant order. I'll definately have to add one of these on to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted March 20, 2007 Sorry if you mentioned it already but how old was the plant that the leaves came from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted March 20, 2007 The plant is nearly two years old now. When i think at the amount of leaves that went to the compost bin ! The smoke is surprisingly very good, the taste is unique like dust with a hint of iron, hard to explain but not unpleasant at all. The leaves dries very easyly and quickly with nice colors and textures. The flowers have the same taste as the leaves, maybe more agreable. The softness of the smoke could be due to the numbing properties of the alkaloids, i am not sure about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Blank Posted March 28, 2007 Here's mine, already to go after over wintering in my indoor garden, with it there is some Sinichuichi and a small Torch. But they all go outside. Last season the Ololiuhqui grew up a trellis and at season's end, I cut away and brought it in, Wow all the leaves left behind....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted April 15, 2007 (edited) strange experience for my friend, yesterday ! He noticed that the leaves have different colors depending on the drying method, until now he only tried discolored leaves that dried in the exposure of light and a mix of discolored and still green leaves. So far, the experiences have been pleasant and he even found it to be a good natural sleep inducer due to the sedative properties. Yesterday he tried to smoke only the leaves that were dried in the dark, those leaves kept the green color as when fresh. He had the same feelings as usual but he found himself very sick too, with horrid nausea and weakness, for one hour. It could be another molecule in the leaves or it could be something else... My friend want to experiment with the green leaves one more time because he wants to be sure. He just wanted me to tell you all that it could be a better idea to use only discolored leaves or seeds for smoking purposes. Edited April 15, 2007 by mauve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites