Alkaloids in Acacia melanoxylon (Blackwood)???

[volcanicplug]

Hey guys, the other day I was looking at a the Wikipedia site for Acacias and it listed the following; (Acacia melanoxylon - DMT, in the bark and leaf ). I have acres of this common species regenerating naturally on my property and it grows into quite a large tree extremely quickly - it would be an amazing source of alkaloids if this were true!!!. I have only heard of it containing alkaloids on Wikipedia and nowhere else. Does anyone know more about this species containing psychoactive alkaloids???

[planthelper]

there are many sources that claim melanoxylon contains dmt, but the "few hands'' on trials i am aware of, indicated zero presence of alkaloids.... maybe some melanoxylon contain some tryptamines, but my personell believe is that this claim is a result of miss identification or contaminated research material/equipment.

having said this, makes me think of a funny scenario....

a person, trying to extract dmt from a plant which actually doesn't contain any dmt, could still end up breaking the law, because of there intent. however this intention, has been based on false information.

maidenii is another such canditate, often refered to as a source of dmt, but most people found nothing using this species.

some people say, maidenii contains dmt only over the winter time, and this might be realy the case, if so than theoretical it's legal status would have to vary within the seasons, lol.

on a side note, i think the law in australia, varies with different plants, for example cannabis is illegal, regardless if it contains thc or not, whilst most other plants are only illegal or restricted to some degree, if they actually contain prohibited substances. in short, if you grow cannabis which doesn't contain any thc, you would still get punished and i think this totaly obscene.

if one, would find a new source of dmt (or any controlled substance), it would be a smart thing, not to publish the findings, as our research, might result in new laws at a later time.

[Auxin]

if one, would find a new source of dmt (or any controlled substance), it would be a smart thing, not to publish the findings, as our research, might result in new laws at a later time.

Problem there is if only one or two people knew about the plant then as far as it benefiting society it might as well be inactive.

But what about the case of brachy. for instance, where people actually believe it contains 3% DMT, if people finally prove that someone just mistook mg/g as % (it has happened multiple times in DMT chemistry... fucking crappy scanned PDFs <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_biggrin.png ) and it Really has more like 0.3% would it be bad to publish? It would be confirming the presence of illegals but confirming that it only has 1/10th of what the myth says. <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_unsure.png

[Vertmorpheus]

ID is a big part of the hassle... few people seem willing to reserve judgement and instead hang out , watching the plant once a month every month for a year, even two, to make sure it is what ya reckon it is... I occasionally see large messy hurried vertical shreds ripped out of roadside hickory wattles (subsparrimas methinks) because they're a wattle, have leaves longer than they are wide, greyy-brown bark but mainly, they ahve the spike flowers. So someone will get nuttin from it and tell everyone that "maidenii has jack"... or that might be what happened int he first place but names reversed! Hard to say... but the habitat variations n range of these species is going to make a lot of variation even without taking weather into it. I harvest resin from the mela's (smoking nearly does something, not into solvents here though) and sometimes they are pumping almost pure mud from the smell of the stuff, very gelatinous and not good for much other than ant bites or burns. A spell of reasonably hot weather with basically a couple wet days then almost drying right out, over n over, gives the "best" product (orangey brown crystalline residue, strong as hell for what i use it for, incense binding and cuts etc). So seasons would have a bit to do with it of course but rainfall I suspect comes into more than supposed. (spring is spring rainfall or not, but out of season rains play havoc with things sometimes).

The other hassle is that mela's reach a kind of intermediary stage that to a spotter in a rush can look remarkably like a small but mature-ish maidenii... blossoms etc obviously differ, but those same long almost but not quite wavy or sickleshaped leaves with the kinda blunted or hooked tips on closer inspection. And mela's seem to like overtaking maidenii patches if they get the chance so they get all tangled up. Around here there is another thing that seems to be somewhere between the two, same leaves as a maiden, same pods as a mela, white arils usually, but flowers like a hickory wattle MOST of the time, seems to vary. Whacky stuff. Wild Plants of Greater Brisbane has no listing for maidenii in itself but its just in there as a sidenote for melas, the possible confusion. I've also seen galled up and bug chewed maidenii that were throwing more or less globular flowers (at least from a short way away) due to the actual flower spike being misshaped. The tangle is that people see grey-brown barked wattles with a nice glow about em hanging around near a local watercourse, damp patch or old flood flats, and assume they're onto a wiener. IME if you can find mela's head downhill to less choked scrub, and have a look at what is actually growing IN old creeklines and gullies. Any large patches around here now are melas, with maiden's only showing up in "older" areas with few stages of regrowth or cleaning...where old farmland meets damp scrub, in the first waves of regrowth on the edges of hilly euca scrub and where that kind of scrub verges onto open rainforest. Having said that I've found them growing on their lonesome in the middle of macadamia paddocks, but nothin is certain with plants.

A lot of this comes down to that DMT bloke n his "my local botany textbook suggested a nearby creekline, where I was surprised to.... bla bla"... Never any notes on the ID process, just reckons he found a stack in short order, which isn't impossible, but then again, there's some smart folkks around here who know one end of a plant from the other but still have a hard time nailing a maiden for sure.

There's patches around here with up to 10 different kinds of wattles hanging out quietly waiting someone to work from one end of the patch to the other, 4 times a year or more, testing as they go. Then at least we'd be sure o those ones haha. But a one off test on one specimen isn't an indicator of much at all except the merits of that individual. Just about any tree species inground does a thing called seasonal root variation or similar...basically as it drys out they drop roots and as it gets wet they draw from the surface, some drop for the cold or vice versa...not a lot of research on it really. But I reckon in the wet times, and the really dry times, wattles might be a bit poo, they're either just guzzling water or gone dormant... its the in between times when they hoe right into what the myc' can offer them nutewise that gives me the best product, at least, the most "useful" seeming, the colour is certainly right with some nicely weathered stuff coming out almost sunset yellow. Also after a decent electrical storm with not a lot of rain out of it, resin seems to whiff more of styrenes or something and less of the clay n humic fractions of the soil it is growing in.

Analysis issues are a bit shifty really... I read something a while ago online where some samples of P. viridis showed up as 0 percent fun at all. Imagine if the only real work on dope was based on some dodgy birdseed variety grown in nebraska a hundred years ago? On that terminally shithouse bag of underdeveloped leafy bush you got when you were 14?Compared to some of the crazy varieties grown at the same time in other parts of the world where a few tokes would put you into space... and they're all "the same plant". Might be that somedays, one mela kicks the bum of the best maiden on the block, and a week later they're both useless.

The legality of the process is such that it's only as illegal as you're making it look... tell em ya make incense.Somewhere hear I have a jackie french recipe for making glue from wattles, photocopy that and keep it stuck to the kitchen wall haha. It's only going to be the bookmarked synth sites and suspect printouts (and artwork haha) that can make em think anything else, whether you're working on a maiden, a mela, or a watermelon...the trees are not illegal.Bits of em are not illegal, otherwise treeloppers around here would have a hard time getting the mulcher rubbish dropped off at the top.My local greening aust nursery has em as tubestock for a couple bucks each, hundreds of them.With a lil govt. handout here n there.

Good luck with your search,

As a wise man once said, suck it n see... :D

GD

Edited May 13, 2007 by greendreams

[volcanicplug]

thanks greendreams for such an interesting account, I now feel like I still have alot to learn about acacias (they certainly seem to be alot more complex creatures than I initially thought) - the way there makeup alternates with the seasons and whatnot. At the moment i'm actually in the process of regenerating about 5 acres of my property (which is already littered with melanoxylons) with maidenii's and obtusifolias which should provide for some interesting experimentation in the future.

[Vertmorpheus]

Not sure what part of SEQ you're in plug, I'm in the same neck of the woods about half an hour NW of brisbane city, between the middle of legoland and the middle of pony land. (which actually gets you just about into real old growth rainforest, breaks people's heads)... if the Mela's are present in any significant quantity in areas that are already sprouting maidens or ob's, I might get busy with the chainsaw now n then to at least keep the height of the melas down, if not cut them out entirely (basically normal coppice or very low coppice, not going to be rid of established melas without some roundup and good timing).. melas will throw those massive winding trunks out in a real hurry to get the crown up and spreading, maidenii around here don't seem so able to pull that off and can get swamped, more bugs etc.If the melas are growing that tall they're dropping pretty far and taking a fair whack of water out of the table which isn't being replaced like it used to be (seeing a lot of much smaller than usual wattle flowers for a while now)

I don't know a lot about obtusis, not a biggie in the green patches I end up in, least not that I've seen.Might be different in your place, talk to landcare or greening aust or someone if you need more specific info. Depends how much you want the maidens I guess...might be a business op there, selling Authentic Australian Incense products online :D

I think most wattley (like that?) areas have more charm than the more open euca areas, but they're a bit of an endangered species around here as people can't wait to hack then out and get the giant south american weeds planted. Even when wattles make that dead patch (only above the soil haha) around them under the canopy, it's a great spot to sit on those flattened leaves and have a think.You can chop one down and plant veggies in what used to be the shade, they can use the stray N getting around as the tree breaks down. They make great firewood and charcoal for forges, a dozen kinds of medicine and even more kinds of head splitting clubs and boomerangs. And a species of gnome makes mind shattering chemicals out of em. Wattle on australia :D

[shruman]

"The legality of the process is such that it's only as illegal as you're making it look... tell em ya make incense.Somewhere hear I have a jackie french recipe for making glue from wattles, photocopy that and keep it stuck to the kitchen wall haha. It's only going to be the bookmarked synth sites and suspect printouts (and artwork haha) that can make em think anything else, whether you're working on a maiden, a mela, or a watermelon...the trees are not illegal.Bits of em are not illegal, otherwise treeloppers around here would have a hard time getting the mulcher rubbish dropped off at the top."

Sorry to b a killjoy G.D but any DMT containing material is definitely illegal, below is an extract from SAB shop. So possesion of any DMT containing material is illegal & the same penalty as 1/2 the same weight of Heroin.

"The importation of Banisteriopsis caapi, Psychotria viridis, Diplopteris cabrerana and any other DMT or harmine/harmaline containing herbal material into Australia is prohibited under the Customs Act 1901, Regulations, Schedule 4 (Drugs).

2) The export of Banisteriopsis caapi, Psychotria viridis, Diplopteris cabrerana and any other DMT or harmine/harmaline containing herbal material is prohibited under Schedule 8 (export regulations) of the Customs Act.

3) Possession of DMT/harmine/harmaline containing herbal material such as Banisteriopsis caapi, Psychotria viridis, Diplopteris cabrerana and any other DMT or harmine/harmaline containing herbal material is illegal under the Standard for the uniform scheduling of drugs and poisons (Australia), Schedule 9 (the same schedule as Heroin!!!!!) which is enacted as law under under the Drug control acts of each Australian State."

[Torsten]

GD [like most] neglects to differentiate between the letter of the law and the application of it. The law it is written makes all DMT containing materila illegal and possession thereof can land you with a drug charge. However, whether it will come to that will depend on what you look like, what you do for a living and what intent can be proved [or at least assumed]. ie, if you are a respectable researcher at a university then you can get away with a lot more than some hippy found with a bunch of hive recipes.

[shruman]

Damn now we all gotta go to uni & b respectable researchers. Whatever they r.

How bout Hippie respectable researchers?

[Vertmorpheus]

lol, waitin for that.... Trying to make DMT in your spare room IS illegal, goes without saying. Noone is about to get done for the regrowth down the back. I failed to differentiate because, UNLIKE most, I'm not big on doing police work for free, or reminding those prying peepers of one back door they have on just about everyone, especially hive-viewing, mckenna owning types like us. I'm sure if this was even vaguely applied in any serious circumstances, they'd be applying it to the outdoor growers with wattles on the block to fluff up the charge sheet....I can see it now...wow look at us boss we found literally hundreds of tonnes of drugs at this bikies place! woohoo! We just found more drugs in one day than the rest of the aussie police force has in a year! They get a lot of pressure to get results, think they'd be doing kiddies for sticks in the local park if they knew they could do people with this? Or knew that they could do it without just looking silly? I'm sure someone can find some poor bastard who ended up in court etc... but that wasn't for having a barky branch on his back table. Or because a copper found a spokeshave somewhere and a wattle out the back.

Yes , I know it could happen...but seriously now...I'd tell the import of harmaline business to the person I know getting obscure passiflora tubestock brought in on a fairly regular basis, no dramas at all bar the usual AQIS phyto routine. The drug squad and AQIS are busy with drugs not stuff destined for Flower Power and I can't see it changing soon.

GD...The legality of the process is such that it's only as illegal as you're making it look.

T...However, whether it will come to that will depend on what you look like, what you do for a living and what intent can be proved [or at least assumed]. ie, if you are a respectable researcher at a university then you can get away with a lot more than some hippy found with a bunch of hive recipes.

Same kind of mangos there....

The quoted stuff is a LOT more relevant if you are actually raided,and have the cash and time to actually argue the toss over what you were actually doing... and by then you've already fucked up somewhere, and they will find something, somewhere... the glass and consumables are enough, they don't really NEED the biomass if they feel like getting creative.Got an old pack of demazin in the bathroom cabinet? A few packs of redheads, some paintstripper and a few thinners in the shed? Some betadine in the first aid kit? You filthy speed cook you...

I probably should've been more artfully specific. Cooking illegal drugs is illegal, and things that are illegal are illegal too.Course, helps if the blokes taking the door off its hinges at sunrise know that too.Remember that driving too slow is illegal too, as is taping things off the telly and having copyrighted songs on your PC, or knowingly providing premises for the...oh, nevermind.Wouldn't want anyone to get into trouble maybe we should stop bringing obscure yet currently applicable letters o the law up if they have the potential to cause us such woes? Surely having a hickory wattle fruit bowl becomes even more illicit after I'm made aware of its inherent illegality? Thanks a LOT guys

Dinner just made a noise,take care eh?

GD

[Torsten]

Growing a dmt containing plant is not illegal, but technically, the material becomes illegal as soon as you prune it IF you know that it contains dmt. There is actually no need for any further evidence than this to enable them to charge you, however in general they won't because they know that without further evidence the prosecution will drop the charges anyway.

However, it would be foolish to think that growing a dmt containing plant and keeping a dmt extraction booklet in the house is a safe thing to do. It might not have come to that with acacias yet, but it has happened to cactus farmers and there is no difference between growing a cactus or growing an acacia, except that cacti are much better known to be drug containing.

Also don't confuse the issue with harmaline herbs as this is a complex field. Passiflora and Tribulus products have been specifically exempt from the harmaline import restrictions. Peganum however has not and importers have been forced to import peganum only as incense mixtures where peganum is a part constituent - this appears to be some leeway for ethnic tolerance reasons, but there is actually no basis in law for such an exemption.

As usual there is a discrepancy between how the law is written and how it is USUALLY applied. That does not mean that things can't change overnight and that someone with an acacia forest and an extraction manual can't be nailed tomorrow. The law is there and can be applied anytime.

[shruman]

"the material becomes illegal as soon as you prune it IF you know that it contains dmt."

What do u mean IF? I thought in general ignorance of the law is no excuse?.

[Vertmorpheus]

Yup for sure... it'd be nice if those up on high would get some help for their schizophrenic state and how it is run, tell everyone where they stand and then we can all geto n with working around known complications rather than all the speculation and but what if they know ....but what if they know what we know they know, and so.... it's nuts. Some soul brighter and more free of time than myself should get onto pointing out the obvious to em, that its a ludicrous little set of sentences. I don't agree with any plant being entirely verboten, but I can see where "they" are comin from in some cases... I certainly don't like to think about what my teenage years wouldve been like with a local poppy field or cactus garden But it's simply absurd to make what amounts to the bulk of readily visible lifeforms in many areas, illegal.Fair enough some obscure south american thing that grows like a weed in areas a lot like some of our protected habitats... but to ban the local vegetation at large is just beyond foolish.Like passing a law against air.

Maybe if those in the know to start with had've kept the lips zipped about what was good for what, we'd all be having a lil more fun now. Which is sad in some ways. But there's a reason a lot of those groovy cults are big on secrecy. Revealing to the divine to the profane, n all that. But I suspect now they've realised that left to their own devices, some our best and brightest minds are slowly eating themselves away with remnant solvents and dodgy teks.

Bleah, preachin to the choir lol.

Though for the record (its late haha) IME of people I know having unexpected visitors, noone had their reading material messed with at all except the odd perfunctory tip n flick search. I'd have thought the printout stuff wouldve attracted some attention but the theory now is that they have paperwork fatigue as it is, don't want to dive into the piles of bills mixed with whatever lurking in drawers etc.If it's not shaped like a clippy bag they don't look twice. Not many people actually read books anymore, and so long as theres a few bryce courtney and tom clancy (anything where the authors name is bigger and bolder than the title itself) scattered thru the shelves it's just "uh...stupid books...". Of course, things differ from place to place and day to day. But keeping some notes amongst the usual detritus...cookbooks, takeaway menus, flyers from local lawn mowing blokes... and having a wattle out the back... somehow I reckon you'd be in the clear. Unless you are actually planning on some Whats Cooking action, in which case it's at least a little bit silly to be doing that in your home anyway. Unless you have shielded extract cabs and wiring, and eye baths etc.

I'm always reminded by convos like this one of the terror and wrath amongst the brissie stoner folks when someone started running flyers around pointing out that you could get 25 years for a set of funk n wagnells cause its drug info man.... funny as hell then, still funny but not quite as much as before. Different kind of bastards around now.The blunt kind are being slowly phased out it seems.

Don't go doing anything! Especially in this day n age of retroactive legislation.It's all a bit too scary.If it doesn't get you arrested, seems it'll give you cancer.

Think I'll always look on the bright side of life though they're even sending davie hicks home in a more or less vertical position!

GD

[Torsten]

What do u mean IF? I thought in general ignorance of the law is no excuse?.

It's not so much ignorance that protects you here, but proof of lack of intent. ie, if you can genuinely show ignorance about the dmt content then there is also no possibility for the prosecution to show intent to manufacture a drug.

The other thing is that in drug law ignorance CAN actually be a defense. There are some very specific circumstances where this applies and most of them are not applicable for your general possession type charges. I'll go into that a little more when I get around to expanding the law thread in the legals section.

[shruman]

"The other thing is that in drug law ignorance CAN actually be a defense. There are some very specific circumstances where this applies and most of them are not applicable for your general possession type charges. I'll go into that a little more when I get around to expanding the law thread in the legals section. "

Will look forward 2 reading that cheers T.

"It's not so much ignorance that protects you here, but proof of lack of intent. ie, if you can genuinely show ignorance about the dmt content then there is also no possibility for the prosecution to show intent to manufacture a drug."

I was thinking more in terms of possesion not intent.

Edited May 14, 2007 by shruman

[Torsten]

Though for the record (its late haha) IME of people I know having unexpected visitors, noone had their reading material messed with at all except the odd perfunctory tip n flick search.

Well, for starters, any drug manufacturing recipe can carry a sentence of up to 7 years jail under most state laws AND under federal law. So these days hunting for cookbooks can be more rewarding for the authorities than busting you for a bong or an ounce of speed. While these laws are geared towards E and meth books, the letter of the law does not make that distinction.

Your approach that the cops have better things to do that rifle through drug books and papers is also quickly turned upside down if you spend a little bit of time on the website of the office of film and literature classification. You will see that state police are the major contributor of iffy books and manuscripts to the censor. In fact you will see that Murwillumbah and Lismore police are extremely well represented in these listings. But even more interesting is the type of stuff that gets submitted by them. Often they are just collections of internet notes or handwritten material and they include really funky and weird drug related shit. I think the cops use the OFLC to enable them to not have to give the books back.

Again, let me stress that I in no way advocate that everyone should live their lives by these unequal laws. My point is that people often go about doing stuff that they are sure is 100% legal only to find themselves in some obscure and expensive courtcase fighting for their house, family or freedom. I want people to be aware of what risks they are taking. In many cases the risks are minimal in terms of likelihood, but huge in terms of potential impact. I'd be happy if my advice saves just one individual or family from the misery the system can dish out.

[Torsten]

"It's not so much ignorance that protects you here, but proof of lack of intent. ie, if you can genuinely show ignorance about the dmt content then there is also no possibility for the prosecution to show intent to manufacture a drug."

I was thinking more in terms of possesion not intent.

well, no judge will sentence you on the basis of holding some acacia prunings in your hand. However, if you have a pile of them on your driveway, next to a mulcher that spits out chips into a large boiler, then that is a different story and would more likely earn an intent to manufacture charge than just a simple possession charge. On the other hand, if you have some phleb leaves in your stash tin and it is evident you ahve been smoking them, then IF they are smart enough they could charge you with possession and you'd have a hard time getting out of that.

[Vertmorpheus]

Wow, you don't mean that if you are the kind of people to have the coppers turn up ANYWAY, and they rock up to a house full of weird shit and unconcealed , non "embedded" bits of illegal information, and you live in an area knnown for certain activities and people , and are actively cooking DMT in the driveway as they show up...that you might have troubles with the boys?

I'm not really sure how anything I said is quickly overturned by bla bla, when I made clear it was in my experience... I don't live on the leafy edge of some hick town with an understimulated drug squad, I never said they won't flick thru your "drug books" ...(all bored word games, bear with me here) of course blatantly illegal and interesting things will tend to attract the attention of people paid on the basis of finding illegal things. What I basically said what that if you look like scum and have illegal crap left right n centre in your home, you will be more prone to having troubles than someone that is basically a "normal" but has a richer than usual herb garden and the odd printout in the middle of a stack of printed out indian recipes in an otherwise fairly wholesome environment.If your place looks like a cross between a path lab and a garage sale, there are gunna be problems given enough time... IME.... (IME!) ... around brissie .... just that I personally know of... without getting into court recs in other parts of the world...noone having the cops show over the neighbours being pooey about music volume, dope smoke, abusive language, the plants in the backyard or whatever has then as a matter of course had every last book and shred of paper in their house taken away, given an F number, examined in detail and returned in those shitty heat seal bags.Or never returned haha.

One dickhead I kind of knew .. had em show up to a place he was in, they took him, his notes, every last scrap of plant material... a k or so of sally d, various gums and goos in jars around the place, theoodd tub of chloroform... lots of notes... he also was workin at the time as a tech at a certain pharmacompany, and everyone else in the house was basically student activist scum (globalisation is a crime man, so we work at mikky's do pay for pills). And they basically did him for the clear cut stuff, they certainly took all his notes and the odd blatant book...all of which were displayed loud n proud in true "fresh meat" style. This was before the sally d changes, or thatd be an issue now... but the rest of it was just such a hodgepodge of chem dregs and things that were 95 percent chlorophyll that they just stuck him with the routine things.I think he actually had a failure to dispose listed as well, but they gave less of a toss over a bit of light reading material. This is the exception to the exception of course... but yknow what I mean. He had mines and energy more interested in him over the fair amount of new years fireworks he had stashed in the back room haha (and even THAT was a warning). maybe he just had the luck of the leprechauns, certainly I wouldnt put myself in his possie... but... he did, and is still alive n well.Mainly because of the total lack of telfast in the house I guess.

As i said "Though for the record (its late haha) IME of people I know having unexpected visitors, noone had their reading material messed with at all except the odd perfunctory tip n flick search". Stands true. Different shit in lismore no doubt, but I reckon youll find that was in addition to other more interesting things rather than just psychically knowing to go to this house on that street, and look in that pile of books for the following titles... The one exception (>IME<) (that I know) was someone that they showed up for in relation to a bit of the jamie oliver business to start with. And still couldn't actually get a nail into him for nay length of time.

Whodathunkit... being illegal looking druggie types that don't know how to actually conceal anything bigger than an ant for any length of time will tend to get you done. Sooner or later. For something. But if its going to take evident evidence to make the other evidence mean anything at all ... I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over. I'd worry more about running a website fulla the shit to be honest."recipe" is a vaaague thing... even a sentence here or there mentioning "plant + solvent" COULD count, if they wanted it to. But they're only going to bother if you're a toerag to start with. Even then... plenty of people get raided and the boys come up dry... they COULD dive into the kitchen cupboards, the laundry etc and throw all kinds of things together... but they know it's just a bit bullshit , least around here.

But yes, you are of course entirely correct. Your words about fighting for this n that strike true with many, many people... but I really can't see anyone around thinking it's in any way legal or legit to go inviting demeter for tea, or that getting the bits together to do just that is in any way a "good" idea if you really like your relative freedom. But noone is getting done for a wattle out the back, even if ya have pruned it recently...UNLESS they have other things going around to put the DMT business in their heads, it just won't come up. Why would it? If they're there at all, they already know something (so called mates, haha) and if its wattle related, you're right, they don't need the other shit necessarily.But we know when we are getting ourselves into lifes ambiguous positions I reckon.

Being fucked is all about application rather than theory. Don't drop the soap and you should keep grinning.

stay safe you backyard wizards

GD

Edited May 15, 2007 by greendreams

[shruman]

Ah me of course "Heil Hitler".

was a joke but due 2 editing is beyond the ridiculous.

Edited May 15, 2007 by shruman

[dqd]

NAZI FASCIST ^^

er... who?

[Vertmorpheus]

The only nazi around here is Ace, I've got it in writing... Can someone down that way take the cyanide off him, got to get at least a couple of em to trial

Either way, I guess the moral of the story is be aware of what you are actually doing, how it looks, and what you might be doing to help other people work out what you're up to. I heard about someone in a homebrew society get a bulk order of ultrafine glucose in, and had various mates dropping around for an a4 sized clear plastic bag of it on n off for a week... had a knock on the door a week later, but all was sorted after a lot of embrassment and beer talk.

stay safe, it's a bit scary out there,

GD

[notung]

Hey guys, the other day I was looking at a the Wikipedia site for Acacias and it listed the following; (Acacia melanoxylon - DMT, in the bark and leaf ). I have acres of this common species regenerating naturally on my property and it grows into quite a large tree extremely quickly - it would be an amazing source of alkaloids if this were true!!!. I have only heard of it containing alkaloids on Wikipedia and nowhere else. Does anyone know more about this species containing psychoactive alkaloids???

I am no expert on these matters. I was told something interesting about blackwood seeds however, namely that they do contain certain alkaloids. Aboriginal people are supposed to have gathered large quantites and poured them into billabongs to work as a sort of fish poison, allowing them to be plucked easily from the water. That is all I heard, and thought it sounded pretty interesting.