who is this Trichocereus?

[spooge]

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a 60cm tip from the Secret Garden, was a big day, I've no info on this one that i can remember.

any id info would be most helpful

thank you

[Evil Genius]

Hi Pimento, can you make higher quality pics? Can´t see the spines well enough. I think it´s probably a Cuzcoensis but would like to get a better look.

[spooge]

hello EG, am glad to say Yes https://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png, here are some bigger pics.

can do bigger if needed

thank you

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[kapitän kamasutra]

I have one that looks very similar from a Köhres batch, its the slowest growing tricho I have. I'm looking for the camera right now, will post a pic later. I'm not sure what it is, but I don't think its full on cuzcoensis, maybe a cuzco hybrid...in the moment I think mine begin to look more and more like a green pachanoi, maybe the heavy spines are just a juvenil expresssion?

[Evil Genius]

Hi Guys, I think I can see some swollen spine bases and if that´s actually the case, it´s either a Cuzcoensis or a Taquimbalensis. And that I am sure it is not. The pic in the middle looks extremely cuzcoensis and the lack of other alternatives makes me pretty confident. Of course it´s possible that some plants change their looks later on but that´s a pretty massive spination and I would be surprised if this turns out to be a Pachanoi. There are a handful of Pachanois that have swollen spine bases but their spines are very short, stump and have a different color. There are countless types of Cuzcoensis and almost all have those swollen spine bases.

kamasutra, looking forward seeing the pic. Always interested to see what grows from Köhres seed.

[bardo]

I would say it atleast has Cuzcoensis in it, the swollen spine base gives it away and the spines (apart from the ones on the tip) usually are a dull grey/brown colour on a cuzco at least i believe that to be the case : )

Maybe a cuzco/peru or cuzco/pachanoi hybrid ? I like it what ever it is : )

[kapitän kamasutra]

Ok, this is my plant I think might be related to Pimentos. You can see the greyish spines, it used to make bulbs on the bases a bit but as its growing older this tendency is fading it seems.

I'm curious about this plant, as I don't think it fits well in the 'slim' San Pedro family pachanoi-peruvianus-(macrogonus)-cuzcoensis (left out bridgesii and scoph). Of course it could be a hybrid, so all speculation are a bit waste, but for me this plant is not screaming 'cuzcoensis', at least not like the full on 'KK242'-type cuzcoensis. On this site I have however seen pictures from wild plants that resembled them a lot in my opinion, I'm looking for them now. I'm not aware that form ( or those forms, if they indeed represent wild plants and are not horticultural hybrids) have a proper name yet to distinguish them from the other peruvianus/pachanoi/cuzcoensis-forms, which are a little bit different in some aspects.

[trucha]

Flowers would be helpful but that sterile tip reminds me a lot of Trichocereus schoenii.

T. schoenii is now lumped into cuzcoensis although the published analytical results do diverge from that of most cuzcoensis.

Edited June 19, 2015 by trucha

[M S Smith]

I was thinking T. schoenii myself, but could just be a mutt.

~Michael~

[Evil Genius]

The first one is probably not Trichocereus Schoenii because it did not have swollen Spine bases and seven ribs. At least if you can trust Backebergs description. The thing with the ribs could still change but the swollen spine bases is permanent. Second plant from Kamasutra, maybe. The plant is still small so it will be interesting to watch in the future.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Evil Genius