Yeti101

Maybe too much sun still. My witchdoctor grows his in a tent made from 70% shadecloth and clear plastic under a tree. So the sal. div never gets any direct sunlight. This works pretty well for him (Huge plants). Keep in mind that the smaller the greenhouse, the less resistant to extremes of temperature it is. My witchdoctor wouldn't worry too much, as he has had this happen before, and his plants are fine. -Yeti

Could the good stuff be extracted from wormwood using the honeytube? The essential oil (with the thujone in it) could be collected without all that other nasty tasting stuff.

1)Farm Laborer. (I stacked trays of kiwi fruit in a shed all day, so yes to the lifting and making pallets to put the trays on.) 2) 40 - 50 hrs/wk 3) Country 4) high unemployment area 5) Not really 6) "Anyone can use a nailgun." 7) $12.40 8) After tax

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Exactly the way it is. No room for pychodelic freedom in Little-Johnnny-Land. Goddamn conservative politicans and their useless conservative public servants.

On a side note, an imaginary friend of mine told me that his imaginary dealer (very dodgy) was looking to get his hands on some sally dee, as people had been asking him if he sold it. I was not impressed, at all. It shits me so many people would not give salvia the time of day before, but now it is illegal, imaginary dickheads want to make money out of misuseing it. I am Jack's raging bile duct.

Hard to say. A small gnome is reported to have gotten severly bent off a 100 ml bottle of afformentioned medicine.

After more searching on erowid, I found a number of reports, ranging from no effect, to something like a mild dose of mushrooms. No one who wrote in had eaten the apparently traditional 100 or so leaves. One guy claimed to have some succes smoking a small amount, and no-one could say what the active ingredient was.

I read somewhere that coleus sp, includin blumei, had similar effects as Sal div. Does anyone know anything about this? I read it in on a page on erowid somewhere and have had trouble finding it again.

So we were sold out by herbalists? Why would they care? Did they think it might affect their reputation or something? I know some herbalists think that everything is bad for you but that is ridiculous, espesially when it is so harmless compared to alcohol, tobacco etc. BTW does anyone know about the legality of growing (not consuming) sal div, I can't seem to get a straigt answer anywhere

Uh. I have been rtying to find info on the mysterious cat-thyme mentioned in one of the other forums here. I found all sorts of stuff that led me to this page http://www.chemistry.unimelb.edu.au/resear...ARprojects.html Go almost down to the bottom, Where it says "Synthesis of Bioactive Terpenes". They are trying to sythesise what? Shouldn't someone tell them that it is naughty? Or do they get excused from the normal rules? This is also interesting, if anyone could be bothered reading it http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/AFSIC_pubs/qb93-02.htm Also, fuck there are alot of diffent diterpenoids. I had enough trouble with tryptamine chemistry, but this gives me a headache. And everything seems to have them in them (does that make sense?). Cat-thyme,scoparia dulcis, Baccharis genistelloides (Clerodane derivatives, Diterpenoids)It is all too much. One thing is just running into another. And I still have to write a conclusion for an essay on the philosophy of science (not that there is such a thing.) Blah.

Cool, thanks Theo. All this investigation into salvia sp got me thinking about other interesting plants and their relatives. still I would be interested in seeing an analyis of some australian pychotrias.

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Or how about this? http://www.chem.mq.edu.au/npg/abstracts/SH.html

Do other Psychotria species contain tryptamines? Eg, Psychotria loniceroides, a native that grows frow Cape York as far south as Bega? Wouldn't it be fun if it did :-)

I know this is slightly of the topic now, but I would like to thank assassin for giving me a whole stack of plants and other goodies he didn't want because he is moving. Expect me to be giving away plants etc in the coming months as I propogate them. I will end up with too much stuff, and I want to give something away, to even up the balance because various people have given me alot. - Yeti [This message has been edited by Yeti101 (edited 08 June 2002).] [This message has been edited by Yeti101 (edited 08 June 2002).]

Yay!!!

I look forward to being there. But surely others will be up for it also?

Sounds good. But my darkened room also has my computer in it. So I guess I'll sit and attempt to chat my way through the experience. Never tried that before, usually just have a dark room.

Yeh you can make it yourself. But the process is a bit more involved that just chuking some wormwood and other assorted herbs in alcohol. I've tried it and it tastes like shit and does not work really. Apparently after soaking the herbs in the alcohol,. the whole lot is redistilled. This gets rid of most of the tannin and nasty tasting stuff, and keeps the aromatic oils. It also helps with the pretty green colour. As for European absinthe, it does the job. A friend bought back a bottle from France. I can personally vouch that only a small amount is required to get you really trashed.

Thanks, I'll see how it goes.

The leaves on my two smallest Sal.div plants have started to go a bit yellow and pale. Does anyone know what this is? I don't think it is the weather, as my two big plants are still very healthy looking,despite the cold. -Yeti

I don't know about dancing, but if you have already ingested some small bits of paper it is an amazing feeling.

But does it really work? I've seen alot of things in supplements that are 'precursors' to stuff, eg wild yam capsules as a 'precursor' to DHEA (I have read that the chemicals in wild yam cannot be converted to hormones by the body, it takes an industrial process.) But I could be wrong. Most likely.

I found what I'm pretty sure is a native salvia growing in the Barrington Tops area, at the top of a waterfall (cool huh?). It has small light purple flowers,slightly furry leaves, and the smaller leaves are quite fleshy. It almost fits one of the native salvias listed in 'Plants of the Sydney Region' by Beadle et al, except the flowers are too small. Does any one know what it is and if it useful for anything?