I suggested to Torsten that I do a bit of experimenting, specifically regarding how long one has to be off benzo's before these products will work. After 24 hours of no Xanax use (I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS! ), I tried the products and to my suprise DID get an effect. Quiet mild but definetly active. 48 hours without Xanax, maybe a little stronger. 1 WEEK! Same effects as after 48 hours. A very big upside... I'm no longer addicted to benzo's Also tried mixing with green, dxm, and alcohol on seperate occasions. Alcohol was the only one that had a significant impact. After a few drinks the effects were imediate and much more pronounced. So in my experience the effects were mild while sober, but mixed with alcohol was much better/stronger.