I was refering more to pukateine, and the 'worry' part was because safrol is a maoi. But I'm guessing if there were much value in the pukateine it would have more attention. I must add that to my surprise Kratom is quite expensive and abit hard to get in NZ. Spose I'm used to paying modest prices because of torsten and darcey. Also just found out that kratom has recently been classified in NZ as prescription only, ofcourse there are still loopholes for the plain leaf (which is what I'm after). The point is I'm frustrated. Thanx for the help. Oh and one last thing, I miss melbourne and this forum heaps! I recken I'll have to come back next year, for the rainbow serpant