Machine Elf Posted March 30, 2003 Hey Rev, Concerning that humanitarian aid package you sent to me a month or so ago - thanks! Want to send some compensation but not sure where...message me if you could. As an aside - does anybody know the theory behind using cow shite as a substrate? I like to debate these completely theoretical concepts late at night, and I'd be interested in hearing of the possible problems/advantages. Cheers. Belfy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mesq Posted March 30, 2003 The theory?? Nutrient rich, better yield more potent fruit bodies, used as a bulk substrate. You would typically spawn Dung by itself or a mixture of Dung and Straw from colonised grain.. There is alot of info at: www.mycotopia.net www.shroomery.org Hope Im right and hope it helps www.mushmush.nl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiders Posted March 31, 2003 Its grows bigger cubies as well and they are alwazys top in alkaloid content. Its cheap, doesnt contaminate that readily, and its great composted or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mesq Posted March 31, 2003 Is it the beneficial organisms in the dung which kills off nasty bacteria?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noveltea Posted March 31, 2003 Thinking of trying PAn Cyan tek.(has anyone had indoor success with australian pan cy strains?) Whats the best source of cow dung/straw for someone in in Melb?...maybe Bluemeanie could help with this? thanx:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Machine Elf Posted April 1, 2003 BM wrote: > Its grows bigger cubies as well and they are > alwazys top in alkaloid content. > Its cheap, doesnt contaminate that readily, and > its great composted or not. Hmmm, somebody's wondering why they went and bought BRF when they could have scraped 2 kilos of shit off their Toyo's mudguard..... ;O) Would you suggest (in theory of course) that manure be used as casing, or is it possible to whack the spores straight in there? How much (if any) sterilisation needs to be done. Thanks BM and all. Anybody know if Rev is around? Belfy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted April 1, 2003 B careful who you summon belfy yes cowshit is the wonder material we discover after trying the rest - despite the big hint that cubies grow in them naturally Disadvantages smelly - not not fresh - well i like the smell - but after its been PC'd its rank Prone to being too wet - so cut at least 50/50 with shredded straw or chaff (never hay) Full of weeds - both seed and fungal Can be a little poor if other shroom have been at it first or its composted advantages cheap etc as said before yes it certainly does inhibit many moulds even as a fraction of the total mix never seen any evidence that shows a difference between straw and dung in potency, please send evidence in triplicate wrapped in brown paper bag to: PO box 1417 byron bay NSW 2481 To bypass problems try using the commercially packaged cow poo as the cowpoo fraction no weeds, no other fungi enrich jars with grain enrich bulk with straw always sterilise jars always pasteurise bulk no spores on dung will not work - reliably which is why every cowpat on earth is not home to cubies - the conditions needed for wild growth only exist in isolated seasonal circumstances and its why cubies produce millions of spores - same as other shrooms mushroom cultivation as we talk about is dependent on being able to give the fungus exclusive occupation of a sterile media to increase its biomass so we can spawn it onto a pasteurised substrate where it has a headstart. being able to do this reliably changed mushroom supply from wild picking to a reliable and very profitable agribusiness - and a powerful tool in recycling We practice the same ideas when doing plant micropropagation or growing ferns and orchids [ 01. April 2003, 03:12: Message edited by: reville ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Machine Elf Posted April 2, 2003 Thanks Rev. I'll take a walk to the PO today. Belfy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mesq Posted April 2, 2003 Belfegor: BM wrote: Would you suggest (in theory of course) that manure be used as casing, . Belfy Anything rich in nutrients is usually not used for casing. The casing is there to hold water for the fruitbodies development not for nutrient. Plus a nutrient rich casing poses contamination problems.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiders Posted April 3, 2003 Id only ever suggest that you case with coco coir and verm 0 best stuff around. Casing with manure is risky as it is moer prone to contamination than other casings. My jedi master told me that straw has a poor tryptophan content. You can get good composted and high nutrient manure at your local coles/safeway but it stinks and the nice checkout chicks will think you have shat yourself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted April 4, 2003 Do you think its possible that the shrooms recapture the indoles in cowshit to build other indolic substances? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
occidentalis Posted April 5, 2003 If they are able to use the tryptamines from Desmanthus illinoensis rootbark in the substrate as has been reported, it would seem quite likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Machine Elf Posted April 6, 2003 Anyone recommend a good book or website for information on the chemistry of entheogens. A lot of you guys seem to know your shit (so to speak), would be cool to understand more about the processes. Belfy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted April 7, 2003 There was some work done by jochen gartz in the 90's on all aspects of P cubensis biochem that im keen to find apart from that read the many many archived threads and flame wars on the shroomery about experiments to 'increase potency' in cubes- not that they are hard to grow or weak as is but i think theres just a fascination with increasing potency whether it be cannabis or shrooms, whether its needed or not but it certainly is interesting from the perspective of interactions in the environment anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
